JAC

[Russell]

I don’t understand the mindset of some in wanting to give Talau or Nofo to jet JAC. What you are saying is you want us to weaken one position (wing or centre) to increase strength in another position (fullback)!

If we were to give Talau or Nofo to Storm who do we have that replaces them that are as good or better? All we would be doing is shuffling pieces on the chess board with minimal nett gain.

I applaud the club for their stance, I see no significant gain in that deal. We are much better off holding onto our stronger players and building around them instead of swapping them for a small return.

Has Talau really been that good? He’s looked solid. He played mostly wing and AJ looks a better winger than Tommy. JAC is miles ahead of tommy.

I don’t disagree with your comment at all but if we move him on to get JAC who replaces Talau? At this stage I don’t see anyone in our team that is as good or better than him therefore the benefit of a swap negates itself.

AJ on the wing, bunch of different guys can play centre, JAC at fullback.

Which guys can play centre though better than Talau. No doubt JAC improves our team but if we lose Talau to get him without at least someone as good coming through the nett gain is insignificant. So who replaces Talau in your opinion.

Talau didn’t impress me at centre at all. Momirovski can do a solid job there, Doueihi can play if he’s not at 5/8 too.

I’m the opposite. Momo tried hard but never really showed anything game breaking. Talau showed glimpses.

It’s almost like momo thought too much at times or something like that, maybe didn’t trust himself and that he had strength. Can’t really put my finger on it. Still a good player, much respect for his comeback after a terrible start.

Can't remember exactly but scored 8 tries in 13 games or something like that. They were not fall over the line either,
He wasn't thinking too much over those.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

We struggle to attract top line 1st graders and some on here want to treat our young talented kids with disrespect to force an issue.

What a way to totally destroy any chance at getting top junior talent.

Sorry but the person saying force Talau or give Nofo sounds like we are in panic mode for a winger... a WINGER!!! Seriously why??? He isn’t going to be that much of a difference especially now we don’t have a 80min hooker, a fullback, missing a winger and a half....

We must stop going after the first shiny object at any cost and credit to our club for finally standing firm on this.

If we miss out on JAC at least we didn’t give in at any cost to get a speedy winger.... If we get him it will be on our terms.

 

[happy_tiger]

Do any of you lot have regular employment...?
Fairdinkum ...non stop all day ?

Seriously ...you and I can talk lol

Speak for yourself lol
Get a real job lol

Ill flog you with my cast if your not careful

 

[mike]

JAC watch: Day 75

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I don’t understand the mindset of some in wanting to give Talau or Nofo to jet JAC. What you are saying is you want us to weaken one position (wing or centre) to increase strength in another position (fullback)!

If we were to give Talau or Nofo to Storm who do we have that replaces them that are as good or better? All we would be doing is shuffling pieces on the chess board with minimal nett gain.

I applaud the club for their stance, I see no significant gain in that deal. We are much better off holding onto our stronger players and building around them instead of swapping them for a small return.

I wrote way back to have confidence in our junior development system.

JAC is a significant upgrade on what we have. Talau is a player we keep.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We struggle to attract top line 1st graders and some on here want to treat our young talented kids with disrespect to force an issue.

What a way to totally destroy any chance at getting top junior talent.

Sorry but the person saying force Talau or give Nofo sounds like we are in panic mode for a winger... a WINGER!!! Seriously why??? He isn’t going to be that much of a difference especially now we don’t have a 80min hooker, a fullback, missing a winger and a half....

We must stop going after the first shiny object at any cost and credit to our club for finally standing firm on this.

If we miss out on JAC at least we didn’t give in at any cost to get a speedy winger.... If we get him it will be on our terms.

JAC is a significant upgrade on Nofoaluma. Nofoaluma had his best year in attack and still couldn't make the SOO team. Listening to Fittker he didn't seem close,

JAC is an SOO and Kangaroo rep. They are not like for like.

 

[the_third]

Can't remember exactly but scored 8 tries in 13 games or something like that. They were not fall over the line either,
He wasn't thinking too much over those.

It was 8/11 games in 2019 and 4/6 this year (talau 8/12 this year) so they are pretty similar in stats, talau only marginally faster but a bigger body.

I’m not death riding him, I actually rate him, just not sure he’s the answer. He is a smart footballer, but gets himself into trouble by trying to be too smart at times. Talau is similarly unproven.

He’s a centre, not a winger (far too slow) or a fullback (didn’t work). At centre he’s competing for the spot BJ doesn’t get against AD, mbye, Talau, and development players. Despite kicking, I’m not sure he gets first crack in that lot. Talau probably doesn’t either.

AD and Mbye probably ahead of them both. Wing looks like kepoa and nofo, fullback and 5/8 (looks like Reynolds) the obvious gaps in our backline

Talau is a little more direct as a centre (limited games) and momo always has that jinking run style that I’m not really fond of as it stifles attacking structures. Which is where my opinion comes from. Not really much separating them though.

The whole player as compo is really a pathetic stance from the storm anyway. - shifts the focus away from them. It’s either compassionate, or it’s not. Not our problem to fix their roster problems. It makes their problem ours and the cost becomes far too high.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Is he here yet?

 

[tiger05premier]

Is he here yet?

Yep

Just keeping it a secret until round 1 2021

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I don’t understand the mindset of some in wanting to give Talau or Nofo to jet JAC. What you are saying is you want us to weaken one position (wing or centre) to increase strength in another position (fullback)!

If we were to give Talau or Nofo to Storm who do we have that replaces them that are as good or better? All we would be doing is shuffling pieces on the chess board with minimal nett gain.

I applaud the club for their stance, I see no significant gain in that deal. We are much better off holding onto our stronger players and building around them instead of swapping them for a small return.

Has Talau really been that good? He’s looked solid. He played mostly wing and AJ looks a better winger than Tommy. JAC is miles ahead of tommy.

I don’t disagree with your comment at all but if we move him on to get JAC who replaces Talau? At this stage I don’t see anyone in our team that is as good or better than him therefore the benefit of a swap negates itself.

AJ on the wing, bunch of different guys can play centre, JAC at fullback.

I'm with you mate... Players like JAC don't come knocking at our door very often and when they do you need to act on it.. Current Rep player in his prime with speed for a guy like Tommy that could sign elsewhere this time next year and we end up with a duck egg.. This way we get JAC for 4 years and will assist in other top line players coming to us.. Don't get me wrong Tommy has shown some skill but not in the class of JAC..

But he is committed to the club where the other guy left us.

Culture, its important.

I understand that and of course it would be Tommy choice.. But what would everyone think when his time next year he signs elsewhere and we have to start looking around for replacement when we could of had JAC 1 year into a 4 year deal.. Culture is important but so is making the team better and JAC would do that.. But here, we may of already asked him and he said no so this is just hypothetical and good banter until we announce a signing in Feb. :slightly_smiling_face:

What happens if we trade him and 12 months into JAC's contract a spot becomes available at the club he really wants to be at so he starts agitating for a release?

To be fair to JAC he has not chucked a "Matterson" on the storm and if he signed a long term deal at our club on good money its a good sign he wants to be here. I still think it won't happen and he will be at Souths but if we could trade a player I was in charge I would do it if players agreed. .

He however wants to be at Souths, that is the exact reason I wouldn't trade for him

But if he signed a 4 year deal that is enough for me to say yes to him... Besides Bennett leaves after next season and there 6 & 7 are both turning 31 next year so they will be going downwards when Wayne leaves and he would know this.

He is not going there for Wayne, he wants to play with his mates.

Yeah I think this was pretty damn obvious from the beginning, we were never getting him. Surprised we are letting him string us along, have we learned nothing from the sordid negotiations with Mitchell last year?

Latrell didn’t join so we should just not bother talking to players about joining us unless they instantly agree and don’t talk to other clubs?

Of course not, but once the negotiations saga drags on and strings come out, the umming and aahing in the media, the quip about mates at Redfern on GF night, Souths in the background doing their utmost to shed players right, left and centre, then it’s time to see the writing on the wall and just move on!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I don’t understand the mindset of some in wanting to give Talau or Nofo to jet JAC. What you are saying is you want us to weaken one position (wing or centre) to increase strength in another position (fullback)!

If we were to give Talau or Nofo to Storm who do we have that replaces them that are as good or better? All we would be doing is shuffling pieces on the chess board with minimal nett gain.

I applaud the club for their stance, I see no significant gain in that deal. We are much better off holding onto our stronger players and building around them instead of swapping them for a small return.

Has Talau really been that good? He’s looked solid. He played mostly wing and AJ looks a better winger than Tommy. JAC is miles ahead of tommy.

I don’t disagree with your comment at all but if we move him on to get JAC who replaces Talau? At this stage I don’t see anyone in our team that is as good or better than him therefore the benefit of a swap negates itself.

AJ on the wing, bunch of different guys can play centre, JAC at fullback.

I'm with you mate... Players like JAC don't come knocking at our door very often and when they do you need to act on it.. Current Rep player in his prime with speed for a guy like Tommy that could sign elsewhere this time next year and we end up with a duck egg.. This way we get JAC for 4 years and will assist in other top line players coming to us.. Don't get me wrong Tommy has shown some skill but not in the class of JAC..

But he is committed to the club where the other guy left us.

Culture, its important.

I understand that and of course it would be Tommy choice.. But what would everyone think when his time next year he signs elsewhere and we have to start looking around for replacement when we could of had JAC 1 year into a 4 year deal.. Culture is important but so is making the team better and JAC would do that.. But here, we may of already asked him and he said no so this is just hypothetical and good banter until we announce a signing in Feb. :slightly_smiling_face:

What happens if we trade him and 12 months into JAC's contract a spot becomes available at the club he really wants to be at so he starts agitating for a release?

To be fair to JAC he has not chucked a "Matterson" on the storm and if he signed a long term deal at our club on good money its a good sign he wants to be here. I still think it won't happen and he will be at Souths but if we could trade a player I was in charge I would do it if players agreed. .

He however wants to be at Souths, that is the exact reason I wouldn't trade for him

But if he signed a 4 year deal that is enough for me to say yes to him... Besides Bennett leaves after next season and there 6 & 7 are both turning 31 next year so they will be going downwards when Wayne leaves and he would know this.

He is not going there for Wayne, he wants to play with his mates.

Yeah I think this was pretty damn obvious from the beginning, we were never getting him. Surprised we are letting him string us along, have we learned nothing from the sordid negotiations with Mitchell last year?

Latrell didn’t join so we should just not bother talking to players about joining us unless they instantly agree and don’t talk to other clubs?

Of course not, but once the negotiations saga drags on and strings come out, the umming and aahing in the media, the quip about mates at Redfern on GF night, Souths in the background doing their utmost to shed players right, left and centre, then it’s time to see the writing on the wall and just move on!

You have no idea this is even happening.

 

[Telltails]

Offering Melbourne a player doesn't guarantee JAC's signature anyway. If South's want him and he wants to go there us giving a player to Melbourne is idiotic. They either release him to play on compassionate grounds or they don't.

 

[JC99]

I don’t understand the mindset of some in wanting to give Talau or Nofo to jet JAC. What you are saying is you want us to weaken one position (wing or centre) to increase strength in another position (fullback)!

If we were to give Talau or Nofo to Storm who do we have that replaces them that are as good or better? All we would be doing is shuffling pieces on the chess board with minimal nett gain.

I applaud the club for their stance, I see no significant gain in that deal. We are much better off holding onto our stronger players and building around them instead of swapping them for a small return.

Has Talau really been that good? He’s looked solid. He played mostly wing and AJ looks a better winger than Tommy. JAC is miles ahead of tommy.

I don’t disagree with your comment at all but if we move him on to get JAC who replaces Talau? At this stage I don’t see anyone in our team that is as good or better than him therefore the benefit of a swap negates itself.

AJ on the wing, bunch of different guys can play centre, JAC at fullback.

I'm with you mate... Players like JAC don't come knocking at our door very often and when they do you need to act on it.. Current Rep player in his prime with speed for a guy like Tommy that could sign elsewhere this time next year and we end up with a duck egg.. This way we get JAC for 4 years and will assist in other top line players coming to us.. Don't get me wrong Tommy has shown some skill but not in the class of JAC..

But he is committed to the club where the other guy left us.

Culture, its important.

I understand that and of course it would be Tommy choice.. But what would everyone think when his time next year he signs elsewhere and we have to start looking around for replacement when we could of had JAC 1 year into a 4 year deal.. Culture is important but so is making the team better and JAC would do that.. But here, we may of already asked him and he said no so this is just hypothetical and good banter until we announce a signing in Feb. :slightly_smiling_face:

What happens if we trade him and 12 months into JAC's contract a spot becomes available at the club he really wants to be at so he starts agitating for a release?

To be fair to JAC he has not chucked a "Matterson" on the storm and if he signed a long term deal at our club on good money its a good sign he wants to be here. I still think it won't happen and he will be at Souths but if we could trade a player I was in charge I would do it if players agreed. .

He however wants to be at Souths, that is the exact reason I wouldn't trade for him

But if he signed a 4 year deal that is enough for me to say yes to him... Besides Bennett leaves after next season and there 6 & 7 are both turning 31 next year so they will be going downwards when Wayne leaves and he would know this.

He is not going there for Wayne, he wants to play with his mates.

Yeah I think this was pretty damn obvious from the beginning, we were never getting him. Surprised we are letting him string us along, have we learned nothing from the sordid negotiations with Mitchell last year?

Latrell didn’t join so we should just not bother talking to players about joining us unless they instantly agree and don’t talk to other clubs?

Of course not, but once the negotiations saga drags on and strings come out, the umming and aahing in the media, the quip about mates at Redfern on GF night, Souths in the background doing their utmost to shed players right, left and centre, then it’s time to see the writing on the wall and just move on!

That’s all speculation though. PTSD from the Latrell situation.

 

[happy_tiger]

From the man's mouth himself yesterday ...no contract signed with the WT's ......been speculation all the way along

 

[JC99]

We struggle to attract top line 1st graders and some on here want to treat our young talented kids with disrespect to force an issue.

What a way to totally destroy any chance at getting top junior talent.

Sorry but the person saying force Talau or give Nofo sounds like we are in panic mode for a winger... a WINGER!!! Seriously why??? He isn’t going to be that much of a difference especially now we don’t have a 80min hooker, a fullback, missing a winger and a half....

We must stop going after the first shiny object at any cost and credit to our club for finally standing firm on this.

If we miss out on JAC at least we didn’t give in at any cost to get a speedy winger.... If we get him it will be on our terms.

Way to try discredit how good JAC is. He’s plenty more than just ‘speedy’ and wingers are one of the most important positions in modern footy. Name a top 4 team with crap wingers, they all have gun ones. He would be the best player in our team by a long long way, we have zero origin players as well

 

[JD Tiger]

We struggle to attract top line 1st graders and some on here want to treat our young talented kids with disrespect to force an issue.

What a way to totally destroy any chance at getting top junior talent.

Sorry but the person saying force Talau or give Nofo sounds like we are in panic mode for a winger... a WINGER!!! Seriously why??? He isn’t going to be that much of a difference especially now we don’t have a 80min hooker, a fullback, missing a winger and a half....

We must stop going after the first shiny object at any cost and credit to our club for finally standing firm on this.

If we miss out on JAC at least we didn’t give in at any cost to get a speedy winger.... If we get him it will be on our terms.

Way to try discredit how good JAC is. He’s plenty more than just ‘speedy’ and **wingers are one of the most important positions in modern footy**. Name a top 4 team with crap wingers, they all have gun ones. He would be the best player in our team by a long long way, we have zero origin players as well

Ah no, wingers are still not one of the most important* positions in modern footy.
We have seen quite a few wingers trying to sell themselves as fullbacks when it's contract times so they can get more money, because financially wingers are seen as one of the lowest if not the the lowest financially rewarded position.

Although wingers are more important than they were in previous years, they still are imo the least important position on the park.

 

[JC99]

We struggle to attract top line 1st graders and some on here want to treat our young talented kids with disrespect to force an issue.

What a way to totally destroy any chance at getting top junior talent.

Sorry but the person saying force Talau or give Nofo sounds like we are in panic mode for a winger... a WINGER!!! Seriously why??? He isn’t going to be that much of a difference especially now we don’t have a 80min hooker, a fullback, missing a winger and a half....

We must stop going after the first shiny object at any cost and credit to our club for finally standing firm on this.

If we miss out on JAC at least we didn’t give in at any cost to get a speedy winger.... If we get him it will be on our terms.

Way to try discredit how good JAC is. He’s plenty more than just ‘speedy’ and **wingers are one of the most important positions in modern footy**. Name a top 4 team with crap wingers, they all have gun ones. He would be the best player in our team by a long long way, we have zero origin players as well

Ah no, wingers are still not one of the most important* positions in modern footy.
We have seen quite a few wingers trying to sell themselves as fullbacks when it's contract times so they can get more money, because financially wingers are seen as one of the lowest if not the the lowest financially rewarded position.

Although wingers are more important than they were in previous years, they still are imo the least important position on the park.

Just because they don’t get paid as much as the big positions doesn’t mean they’re not important... wingers are getting paid more and more every year. Centres get paid the least out of everyone most Of the time

Wingers score all your tries for a start they have to be fast, good in the air and be able to work magic and score those jumping tries in the corner. They also do more work than props up the middle most of the time doing dirty carries all game long without a break.

Wingers will be getting paid more and more every year as they get better and better. Like I said every good team has top quality wingers. If you have crap wingers you will find it a lot harder to score points and win games

 

[walter]

i dont know why anyones jizzin over jac the is guy is playing in a gun side down at the storm which makes his game look a whole lot better a lot different playin with us wait till he plays with an ordinary side then youll see if hes any good or not

 

[JC99]

i dont know why anyones jizzin over jac the is guy is playing in a gun side down at the storm which makes his game look a whole lot better a lot different playin with us wait till he plays with an ordinary side then youll see if hes any good or not

It’s not like he just catches the ball and puts it down, moving to another club won’t just get rid of the ridiculous talent he has. He scored some beauties as a 3 game rookie playing at our crap club

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I don’t understand the mindset of some in wanting to give Talau or Nofo to jet JAC. What you are saying is you want us to weaken one position (wing or centre) to increase strength in another position (fullback)!

If we were to give Talau or Nofo to Storm who do we have that replaces them that are as good or better? All we would be doing is shuffling pieces on the chess board with minimal nett gain.

I applaud the club for their stance, I see no significant gain in that deal. We are much better off holding onto our stronger players and building around them instead of swapping them for a small return.

Has Talau really been that good? He’s looked solid. He played mostly wing and AJ looks a better winger than Tommy. JAC is miles ahead of tommy.

I don’t disagree with your comment at all but if we move him on to get JAC who replaces Talau? At this stage I don’t see anyone in our team that is as good or better than him therefore the benefit of a swap negates itself.

AJ on the wing, bunch of different guys can play centre, JAC at fullback.

I'm with you mate... Players like JAC don't come knocking at our door very often and when they do you need to act on it.. Current Rep player in his prime with speed for a guy like Tommy that could sign elsewhere this time next year and we end up with a duck egg.. This way we get JAC for 4 years and will assist in other top line players coming to us.. Don't get me wrong Tommy has shown some skill but not in the class of JAC..

But he is committed to the club where the other guy left us.

Culture, its important.

I understand that and of course it would be Tommy choice.. But what would everyone think when his time next year he signs elsewhere and we have to start looking around for replacement when we could of had JAC 1 year into a 4 year deal.. Culture is important but so is making the team better and JAC would do that.. But here, we may of already asked him and he said no so this is just hypothetical and good banter until we announce a signing in Feb. :slightly_smiling_face:

What happens if we trade him and 12 months into JAC's contract a spot becomes available at the club he really wants to be at so he starts agitating for a release?

To be fair to JAC he has not chucked a "Matterson" on the storm and if he signed a long term deal at our club on good money its a good sign he wants to be here. I still think it won't happen and he will be at Souths but if we could trade a player I was in charge I would do it if players agreed. .

He however wants to be at Souths, that is the exact reason I wouldn't trade for him

But if he signed a 4 year deal that is enough for me to say yes to him... Besides Bennett leaves after next season and there 6 & 7 are both turning 31 next year so they will be going downwards when Wayne leaves and he would know this.

He is not going there for Wayne, he wants to play with his mates.

Yeah I think this was pretty damn obvious from the beginning, we were never getting him. Surprised we are letting him string us along, have we learned nothing from the sordid negotiations with Mitchell last year?

Latrell didn’t join so we should just not bother talking to players about joining us unless they instantly agree and don’t talk to other clubs?

Of course not, but once the negotiations saga drags on and strings come out, the umming and aahing in the media, the quip about mates at Redfern on GF night, Souths in the background doing their utmost to shed players right, left and centre, then it’s time to see the writing on the wall and just move on!

This reference to mates at Redfern was about his family. I don't believe it to be reference to Souths.

We have a couple of indigenous players in the Balmain SG Ball team. One is a NSW Under Age rep just signed by WTs, Brandon Tumeth.

https://balmainjuniorleague.com.au/brandon-tumeth-selected-in-nsw-under-16s/

The other a very quick indigenous rep centre from Sawtell by the name of Malakhi Donovan. A link below is to NBN footage of him scoring tries.

https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2019/05/15/malakhi-donovan-ready-for-nrl-curtain-raiser-game/