JAC

[Celtic_Tiger]

The way the club have allowed this to played out in the media is beyond a shambles. Honest to God when are we going to do something, anything right.

I’ve just heard that our club will no longer try to sign rep players. They now understand that trying to sign such players upsets our supporter base.

It’s not the trying to sign rep players that’s upsetting is the rip roaring public omnishambles we are forced to endure when the inevitable spirit crushing failure eventuates.

 

[Bones]

Oh well, Josh can go along with Latrell, and Ma’a Nonu as the best players we almost signed.

you forgot about the Rona......

Shhh, It’ll be an article in the Telecrap tomorrow ?

 

[TonyTiger]

Whats more we need to stand for something, and that something needs to be providing pathways to our good young players. Letting them develop and become something at this club.

Exactly. There is no way we should release any players to get JAC unless it suits us.

I also think the idea that we didn't come up with a trade and the deal has fallen through because of that is complete and utter nonsense. This is JAC's decision and probably because he wants to play with Latrell and Kody and at redfern. I'm fine with that decision.

If JAC went to the meeting today and said I really want to be at the Tigers next year and I won't be playing at Melbourne then we wouldn't have released that official announcement.


He has a valid contract at the Storm. He doesnt hate the club and would never treat them like that.

I think he might if he was going to Souths but I don't know.


There is a report today saying he will commit to the Tigers for 2021 and honour the agreement if he is released by the Storm.

Thats his intentions. its pretty clear cut.

He has put it back on the Storm to release him to OUR CLUB!

Whats more we need to stand for something, and that something needs to be providing pathways to our good young players. Letting them develop and become something at this club.

Exactly. There is no way we should release any players to get JAC unless it suits us.

I also think the idea that we didn't come up with a trade and the deal has fallen through because of that is complete and utter nonsense. This is JAC's decision and probably because he wants to play with Latrell and Kody and at redfern. I'm fine with that decision.

If JAC went to the meeting today and said I really want to be at the Tigers next year and I won't be playing at Melbourne then we wouldn't have released that official announcement.


He has a valid contract at the Storm. He doesnt hate the club and would never treat them like that.

I think he might if he was going to Souths but I don't know.


There is a report today saying he will commit to the Tigers for 2021 and honour the agreement if he is released by the Storm.

Thats his intentions. its pretty clear cut.

He has put it back on the Storm to release him to OUR CLUB!

Don’t get your hopes up, he only said that because he went back to the table with the Storm to get an upgrade which he will accept - pretty gutless statement really! - he’s a speedster because he hasn’t grown a set (less weight to carry).

 

[hobbo1]

I don’t understand why we can’t attract decent players..
1 . We’ll pay you more than you’re worth
2 . We’ll top up your superannuation
3 . You’ll get more money for less games played
4 . You’ll get longer annual leave each year
5 . You’ll enjoy stress free finals

What’s not to like ?

 

[balmain boy]

Mansour would be a spectacular failure.

JAC is a dog.

Pascoe and co are useless. The deal was there to be done, we stalled and stalled and now miss out. Pathetic and embarassing.

Big pressure on Talau to play origin next year

You sure it wasn’t JAC that stalled and stalled?

Yes. This is our fault.

Storm had publicly said they would release JAC after a suitable player was acquired. We failed to swap two vastly inferior players for one of the best players in the game. Most clubs would have waited for a while to try and make a deal without giving up anything, but there comes a time when a deal must be made. Other clubs would have pulled the trigger. We didn't.

Talau is a promising junior. Who's had injury issues. How many players like that have we had that went on to play origin? Even swapping Nof for jac is a huge upgrade. We've been moaning Nofs awful defence for years. He's just above average. And he's identical to Mansour. Which is why we most cetainly do not need or want him.

I think the Storm were never going to release him. The term like for like comes to mind. Who do we have that is an Test and SOO player.

It is very widely reported that they were after Nof or Talau. Was i in the room when said negitioations took place? No. Would i swap either of those players for jac, yes. I would try and not lose any assets but ultimately i would swap these guys when the opportunity arose.

 

[jirskyr]

don’t disagree with what you are saying about players wantin

Dude punctuation; I can't read a block like that.

 

[hobbo1]

@Earl

I don't disagree with what you are saying about players wanting to go to a club that is winning or a glamour club BUT our opinions differ on the level of quality of our business department - I've dealt with these guys multiple times, I know from first hand experience the poor judgements they have made and despite my own experiences lets look at what Justin Pascoe has presided over - we lost 3 of the biggest stars we had - all in one go - we basically got pilfered by 3 clubs in one hit - How smart was it to have them all come off contract at the same time? We actually could've kept them if the club had a SPINE and sacked Taylor that offseason and brought in Cleary earlier but they wanted to give Taylor a shot after her did the dirty work and got rid of Robbie for them. They knew the 4 big names weren't signing with Taylor there- they kept delaying us. Even the Football Director told me - and this is what he said "It woudn't of mattered if Taylor had won the first 6 games of the season, they weren't going to sign with him" - So i said "Well why the hell didn't you bring in Ivan Cleary earlier" - and he and Justin just looked dumbfounded and then tried to back track. We then sign Ivan Cleary and get outsmarted by Penrith bc we were too arrogant in bringing Nathan Cleary to our club. I had at least three conversations with Justin and that guy from the Dogs who was our Director of Football - both of them telling me that Nathan was coming to us 100%!. In the history of the game has any club lost their 3 biggest stars to 3 different clubs in on hit and had a coach signed to another club before his tenure has ended? On top of that we get absolutely played by the Bulldogs by taking Josh Reynolds and Mbye for "overs" when they had salary cap issues. We get rolled by Parra for letting Matts go and then we cant even get Stefano in return when we want him, its comical. We sign Jason Taylor - who got punched by his own player - and then watch him sign that hooker from Manly whilst Robbie is still on the books to try and get him to move knowing what a stubborn person he is. On top of that we have let go Paps, Ado Carr, Tapau, the 3 stars mentioned, Matts, Nathan Brown, etc ....... Marina Go was absolutely useless. I dealt with her on several occasions. Lovely woman and person but no idea - after we lost to the Bulldogs at ANZ - I was in the Chairmans lounge with her and she just ran off on me and a couple of other sponsors saying how she "Had to get down to the dressing room and see the boys" - but said it like she was laughing and smiling like a FAN, not a chairwoman. Penrith got rid of Pascoe don't forget. I'm sorry but our admin is woeful. I will give them credit for getting Madge and completing the COE (which I think was due in part to getting Barrel O'Farrel as Chair ), but everything else has been bloody diabolical.

Paragraphs please !

 

[05TIGZZ]

How do we know that the club didn’t bring it up with Talau on the potential move and he said no he didn’t want to go to Melbourne. Lot going on behind the scenes. We need a POM update.

 

[tiger_one]

I'm fine with how this turned out.

It is confirmed JAC signed a HoA with us to join if Storm released him. It means we had the best and most palatable offer at the time. It means we can attract talent.

Whether or not he's decided to backflip and stay in Melbourne (because they'd upped his deal, or otherwise), or whether he's now treading water waiting for a "better" offer for 2022 is irrelevant in the context of 2021.

For 2021, Tigers put themselves in a position to be the only club that can secure JAC should he obtain a release, then Melbourne have tried to hardball us to make that release. We have set our terms and not budged. We have covered ourselves legally to block out other clubs whilst this current employer deliberated.

If JAC is truly biding his time to join another club in 2022, we'll find out soon enough and then it will show his rationale to request a release on family grounds is hogwash, because he could have just seen out his Melbourne contract in the first place, without the whole malarkey about family concerns. Questionable whether you want a player like that in your side, if he's going to pull Mitch-Moses style sympathy cards to pull out of contracts.

I like that Tigers have refused to deal with Melbourne on their terms. I don't want to return to the old Ivan and pre-Ivan era where we desperately entered into risky deals, many of which have backfired.

E.g. imagine if we release Tommy Talau and he becomes an Origin-level centre, imagine the furore on here.

Consider also that Melbourne were reportedly happy to receive Talau or Nofo as trades for JAC's release. The premiers were willing to take them in trade.

It's a new way of doing deals for Tigers - make a competitive offer, wait a little while, then close the issue. Even with Latrell, it was splashed all around the media but the actual fact of it all is we made a strong offer, we met with Latrell and realised he wasn't serious about joining, and we withdrew our offer.

It might mean we missed out on Latrell and JAC, but in that same period we signed Luciano, Kepoa, Tamou, Stefano, Blore, Kelma Tuilagi... looks now like we have young Daine Laurie too. That's smart cap management - juniors-focused, buying low, up-skilling the player and getting better value. No Packers in that lot, no Josh Reynolds or Moses Mbyes.

I love perspective. Thanks champion @jirskyr.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

The way some of these players act it makes you wonder if you need them at your club whilst JAC would be a good pick up will he be worth the drama I liked Freddy's comment when he turned up with crutches today HE'S A PRINCESS LIKES THE ATTENTION.

 

[mike]

Mansour would be a spectacular failure.

JAC is a dog.

Pascoe and co are useless. The deal was there to be done, we stalled and stalled and now miss out. Pathetic and embarassing.

Big pressure on Talau to play origin next year

You sure it wasn’t JAC that stalled and stalled?

Yes. This is our fault.

Storm had publicly said they would release JAC after a suitable player was acquired. We failed to swap two vastly inferior players for one of the best players in the game. Most clubs would have waited for a while to try and make a deal without giving up anything, but there comes a time when a deal must be made. Other clubs would have pulled the trigger. We didn't.

Talau is a promising junior. Who's had injury issues. How many players like that have we had that went on to play origin? Even swapping Nof for jac is a huge upgrade. We've been moaning Nofs awful defence for years. He's just above average. And he's identical to Mansour. Which is why we most cetainly do not need or want him.

I think the Storm were never going to release him. The term like for like comes to mind. Who do we have that is an Test and SOO player.

It is very widely reported that they were after Nof or Talau. Was i in the room when said negitioations took place? No. Would i swap either of those players for jac, yes. I would try and not lose any assets but ultimately i would swap these guys when the opportunity arose.

Reported by the media who make up crap to get clicks. Do you have any official links from the Wests Tigers or the Storm that would suggest they wanted Nofo or Talau?

 

[supercoach]

Got me scratching my head, why did the Storm refuse him a release, than up his contract. This whole thing has been put together by the Storm and JAC management to get around theTigers deal. Total sugar coat the clubs media release.

After thee events of the last 12 months in the big name recruitment stakes the club has been set back a long way. We can’t attract a big name and have a ton of cap space tied up in duds

 

[tiger05premier]

Mansour would be a spectacular failure.

JAC is a dog.

Pascoe and co are useless. The deal was there to be done, we stalled and stalled and now miss out. Pathetic and embarassing.

Big pressure on Talau to play origin next year

You sure it wasn’t JAC that stalled and stalled?

Yes. This is our fault.

Storm had publicly said they would release JAC after a suitable player was acquired. We failed to swap two vastly inferior players for one of the best players in the game. Most clubs would have waited for a while to try and make a deal without giving up anything, but there comes a time when a deal must be made. Other clubs would have pulled the trigger. We didn't.

Talau is a promising junior. Who's had injury issues. How many players like that have we had that went on to play origin? Even swapping Nof for jac is a huge upgrade. We've been moaning Nofs awful defence for years. He's just above average. And he's identical to Mansour. Which is why we most cetainly do not need or want him.

I think the Storm were never going to release him. The term like for like comes to mind. Who do we have that is an Test and SOO player.

It is very widely reported that they were after Nof or Talau. Was i in the room when said negitioations took place? No. Would i swap either of those players for jac, yes. I would try and not lose any assets but ultimately i would swap these guys when the opportunity arose.

Like you said you weren't in the room

Maybe just maybe we did speak to Nofo and Talau about them going to Melb and they said no

That would be the end of it

You can't make them leave

And even if their contracts were up and if we didn't re sign them and storm chased them the storm might still lose out to another club because they just might want to stay in Syd

 

[yoyoyoyo]

@Earl - with paragraphs boys sorry !

I don't disagree with what you are saying about players wanting to go to a club that is winning or a glamour club BUT our opinions differ on the level of quality of our business department -

I've dealt with these guys multiple times, I know from first hand experience the poor judgements they have made and despite my own experiences lets look at what Justin Pascoe has presided over - we lost 3 of the biggest stars we had - all in one go - we basically got pilfered by 3 clubs in one hit -

How smart was it to have them all come off contract at the same time? We actually could've kept them if the club had a SPINE and sacked Taylor that offseason and brought in Cleary earlier but they wanted to give Taylor a shot after her did the dirty work and got rid of Robbie for them. They knew the 4 big names weren't signing with Taylor there- they kept delaying us.

Even the Football Director told me - and this is what he said "It woudn't of mattered if Taylor had won the first 6 games of the season, they weren't going to sign with him" - So i said "Well why the hell didn't you bring in Ivan Cleary earlier" - and he and Justin just looked dumbfounded and then tried to back track.

We then sign Ivan Cleary and get outsmarted by Penrith bc we were too arrogant in bringing Nathan Cleary to our club. I had at least three conversations with Justin and that guy from the Dogs who was our Director of Football - both of them telling me that Nathan was coming to us 100%!. In the history of the game has any club lost their 3 biggest stars to 3 different clubs in on hit and had a coach signed to another club before his tenure has ended?

On top of that we get absolutely played by the Bulldogs by taking Josh Reynolds and Mbye for "overs" when they had salary cap issues. We get rolled by Parra for letting Matts go and then we cant even get Stefano in return when we want him, its comical.

We sign Jason Taylor - who got punched by his own player - and then watch him sign that hooker from Manly whilst Robbie is still on the books to try and get him to move knowing what a stubborn person he is. On top of that we have let go Paps, Ado Carr, Tapau, the 3 stars mentioned, Matts, Nathan Brown, etc .......

Marina Go was absolutely useless. I dealt with her on several occasions. Lovely woman and person but no idea - after we lost to the Bulldogs at ANZ - I was in the Chairmans lounge with her and she just ran off on me and a couple of other sponsors saying how she "Had to get down to the dressing room and see the boys" - but said it like she was laughing and smiling like a FAN, not a chairwoman.


Penrith got rid of Pascoe don't forget. I'm sorry but our admin is woeful. I will give them credit for getting Madge and completing the COE (which I think was due in part to getting Barrel O'Farrel as Chair ), but everything else has been bloody diabolical.

 

[BAGNF05]

I'm fine with how this turned out.

It is confirmed JAC signed a HoA with us to join if Storm released him. It means we had the best and most palatable offer at the time. It means we can attract talent.

Whether or not he's decided to backflip and stay in Melbourne (because they'd upped his deal, or otherwise), or whether he's now treading water waiting for a "better" offer for 2022 is irrelevant in the context of 2021.

For 2021, Tigers put themselves in a position to be the only club that can secure JAC should he obtain a release, then Melbourne have tried to hardball us to make that release. We have set our terms and not budged. We have covered ourselves legally to block out other clubs whilst this current employer deliberated.

If JAC is truly biding his time to join another club in 2022, we'll find out soon enough and then it will show his rationale to request a release on family grounds is hogwash, because he could have just seen out his Melbourne contract in the first place, without the whole malarkey about family concerns. Questionable whether you want a player like that in your side, if he's going to pull Mitch-Moses style sympathy cards to pull out of contracts.

I like that Tigers have refused to deal with Melbourne on their terms. I don't want to return to the old Ivan and pre-Ivan era where we desperately entered into risky deals, many of which have backfired.

E.g. imagine if we release Tommy Talau and he becomes an Origin-level centre, imagine the furore on here.

Consider also that Melbourne were reportedly happy to receive Talau or Nofo as trades for JAC's release. The premiers were willing to take them in trade.

It's a new way of doing deals for Tigers - make a competitive offer, wait a little while, then close the issue. Even with Latrell, it was splashed all around the media but the actual fact of it all is we made a strong offer, we met with Latrell and realised he wasn't serious about joining, and we withdrew our offer.

It might mean we missed out on Latrell and JAC, but in that same period we signed Luciano, Kepoa, Tamou, Stefano, Blore, Kelma Tuilagi... looks now like we have young Daine Laurie too. That's smart cap management - juniors-focused, buying low, up-skilling the player and getting better value. No Packers in that lot, no Josh Reynolds or Moses Mbyes.

Cheers Justin, makes us feel better 🤦🏽‍♂️

 

[jirskyr]

This whole thing has been put together by the Storm and JAC management to get around theTigers deal. Total sugar coat the clubs media release.

OR JAC made up the whole release story of "family reasons" to pressure Storm into increasing his final year. JAC could have been playing Melbourne the whole time, because he's on a low-value deal.

Was there not a story last year or before, allegedly of course, that JAC was comparing salaries in the Origin camp and was shocked to find out how much more some of his team-mates were earning?

 

[OzLuke]

Mansour would be a spectacular failure.

JAC is a dog.

Pascoe and co are useless. The deal was there to be done, we stalled and stalled and now miss out. Pathetic and embarassing.

Big pressure on Talau to play origin next year

You sure it wasn’t JAC that stalled and stalled?

Yes. This is our fault.

Storm had publicly said they would release JAC after a suitable player was acquired. We failed to swap two vastly inferior players for one of the best players in the game. Most clubs would have waited for a while to try and make a deal without giving up anything, but there comes a time when a deal must be made. Other clubs would have pulled the trigger. We didn't.

Talau is a promising junior. Who's had injury issues. How many players like that have we had that went on to play origin? Even swapping Nof for jac is a huge upgrade. We've been moaning Nofs awful defence for years. He's just above average. And he's identical to Mansour. Which is why we most cetainly do not need or want him.

I think the Storm were never going to release him. The term like for like comes to mind. Who do we have that is an Test and SOO player.

It is very widely reported that they were after Nof or Talau. Was i in the room when said negitioations took place? No. Would i swap either of those players for jac, yes. I would try and not lose any assets but ultimately i would swap these guys when the opportunity arose.

Like you said you weren't in the room

Maybe just maybe we did speak to Nofo and Talau about them going to Melb and they said no

That would be the end of it

You can't make them leave

And even if their contracts were up and if we didn't re sign them and storm chased them the storm might still lose out to another club because they just might want to stay in Syd

it would be bad management to not at least put the offer to both Talau and Nof....while I like both players, they wouldn't be the draw for other players to want to line up with....

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Mansour would be a spectacular failure.

JAC is a dog.

Pascoe and co are useless. The deal was there to be done, we stalled and stalled and now miss out. Pathetic and embarassing.

Big pressure on Talau to play origin next year

You sure it wasn’t JAC that stalled and stalled?

Yes. This is our fault.

Storm had publicly said they would release JAC after a suitable player was acquired. We failed to swap two vastly inferior players for one of the best players in the game. Most clubs would have waited for a while to try and make a deal without giving up anything, but there comes a time when a deal must be made. Other clubs would have pulled the trigger. We didn't.

Talau is a promising junior. Who's had injury issues. How many players like that have we had that went on to play origin? Even swapping Nof for jac is a huge upgrade. We've been moaning Nofs awful defence for years. He's just above average. And he's identical to Mansour. Which is why we most cetainly do not need or want him.

I think the Storm were never going to release him. The term like for like comes to mind. Who do we have that is an Test and SOO player.

It is very widely reported that they were after Nof or Talau. Was i in the room when said negitioations took place? No. Would i swap either of those players for jac, yes. I would try and not lose any assets but ultimately i would swap these guys when the opportunity arose.

Reported by the media who make up crap to get clicks. Do you have any official links from the Wests Tigers or the Storm that would suggest they wanted Nofo or Talau?

Thats fine if the players want to swap Talau is young may be doesn’t want to be away from family and friends Nofo has business interests in Macarthur and a family not easy to just up n go and what message would that send to other players Momo was OK with the move but not all players are the same.

 

[jirskyr]

Cheers Justin, makes us feel better ‍️

You can try for some perspective, or just have a sook. Sooking gets you nowhere and literally nobody outside of this forum cares.

My name isn't Justin.

 

[balmain boy]

Mansour would be a spectacular failure.

JAC is a dog.

Pascoe and co are useless. The deal was there to be done, we stalled and stalled and now miss out. Pathetic and embarassing.

Big pressure on Talau to play origin next year

You sure it wasn’t JAC that stalled and stalled?

Yes. This is our fault.

Storm had publicly said they would release JAC after a suitable player was acquired. We failed to swap two vastly inferior players for one of the best players in the game. Most clubs would have waited for a while to try and make a deal without giving up anything, but there comes a time when a deal must be made. Other clubs would have pulled the trigger. We didn't.

Talau is a promising junior. Who's had injury issues. How many players like that have we had that went on to play origin? Even swapping Nof for jac is a huge upgrade. We've been moaning Nofs awful defence for years. He's just above average. And he's identical to Mansour. Which is why we most cetainly do not need or want him.

I think the Storm were never going to release him. The term like for like comes to mind. Who do we have that is an Test and SOO player.

It is very widely reported that they were after Nof or Talau. Was i in the room when said negitioations took place? No. Would i swap either of those players for jac, yes. I would try and not lose any assets but ultimately i would swap these guys when the opportunity arose.

Like you said you weren't in the room

Maybe just maybe we did speak to Nofo and Talau about them going to Melb and they said no

That would be the end of it

You can't make them leave

And even if their contracts were up and if we didn't re sign them and storm chased them the storm might still lose out to another club because they just might want to stay in Syd

Most players would jump at the chance to play for the storm. They are extremely professional and the current champs. What player doesn't want to compete in grand finals?

We're so far behind them it's not funny.