Jacob Liddle #198

Simpkin will ensure we forget about Harry very quickly. he's the real deal, just needs to hone his craft for the Magpies for the time being. his time will come.
 
@blocker1963 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325843) said:
Thought Liddle was great, composed and had Newcastle guessing for his next run, his tacking was spot on.

Liddle is great for us, he’s super quick off the mark, fast service out of dummy half, throws a great dummy and not afraid to burrow over the goal line.
I rate him above Harry, who is more predictable and probably won’t be so dynamic now his traits have been on show.
 
@tonytiger said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325869) said:
@blocker1963 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325843) said:
Thought Liddle was great, composed and had Newcastle guessing for his next run, his tacking was spot on.

Liddle is great for us, he’s super quick off the mark, fast service out of dummy half, throws a great dummy and not afraid to burrow over the goal line.
I rate him above Harry, who is more predictable and probably won’t be so dynamic now his traits have been on show.

Wow, really? If Liddle ever has a season like Harry did I'd be happy.

Liddle has put in two much improved performances since Round 1 and is an NRL standard hooker that I'm glad we've persevered with. No surprise when he went off on Sunday our side looked wobblier but I don't see the x-factor that Grant clearly has.
 
If you watch the. SG Ball highlights between Balmain and Knights the young Tiger hooker provided great service and didn't overplay his role. He looked very quick but knew his role was to get the ball wide and the winger scored the tries. I enjoy that maturity. Seems we have good depth.
 
@rihannafan1 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325878) said:
@tonytiger said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325869) said:
@blocker1963 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325843) said:
Thought Liddle was great, composed and had Newcastle guessing for his next run, his tacking was spot on.

Liddle is great for us, he’s super quick off the mark, fast service out of dummy half, throws a great dummy and not afraid to burrow over the goal line.
I rate him above Harry, who is more predictable and probably won’t be so dynamic now his traits have been on show.

Wow, really? If Liddle ever has a season like Harry did I'd be happy.

Liddle has put in two much improved performances since Round 1 and is an NRL standard hooker that I'm glad we've persevered with. No surprise when he went off on Sunday our side looked wobblier but I don't see the x-factor that Grant clearly has.

He's never played a game close to Harry's best ever, doesn't mean he's bad but the comparisons are silly.
 
@jc99 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325529) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325521) said:
@spartan117 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325515) said:
Heard Matty john give Liddle a massive wrap from sundays game at the knights.

He commented on his strengths, tackling technique and the volume of work he did.

Make no mistake - Liddle is one of the main reasons we won on Sunday. After early incident with Doueihi he looked composed, fit, strong enough (and continually improving) + taking the right option 9/10 times. If you’ve never played any form of RL please stop spamming the forum with complaints about his service... that was only during the middle of Raiders game where I’ve never seen us look so rudderless before. Blame the hooker?

Jeez... looking to see a massive game from Talau/Luc and Brooks. Defence will do...

Cmon now... Liddle has been good but his service has been an issue every game now. Good to see him running more and more every game and he always puts his body in front of players, just needs to stick to a few more tackles. Good signs but improvements to be made just like our entire team lol


Very level-headed post mate, I appreciate that, all reasonable things for us to expect him to want AND be able to improve at.

It had been a rough week up until Sunday and was simply putting myself in his teammates, coaches and families shoes. The criticism was no doubt and from the outset.. excessive...
 
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325707) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325521) said:
@spartan117 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325515) said:
Heard Matty john give Liddle a massive wrap from sundays game at the knights.

He commented on his strengths, tackling technique and the volume of work he did.

Make no mistake - Liddle is one of the main reasons we won on Sunday. After early incident with Doueihi he looked composed, fit, strong enough (and continually improving) + taking the right option 9/10 times. If you’ve never played any form of RL please stop spamming the forum with complaints about his service... that was only during the middle of Raiders game where I’ve never seen us look so rudderless before. Blame the hooker?

Jeez... looking to see a massive game from Talau/Luc and Brooks. Defence will do...


Watch the game again and look how many times 1st receiver had to catch the ball above their head or behind them.


When Mbye came on ? Yes, I saw him do it 3 times in one individual set when we were deadset up against it trying to finish off a game with direction and poise. I’ll take the consistency and effort of Liddle and Garner for the moment over the two fella’s out there on the same side who really did NEARLY cost us that game. No way Luc has outperformed last year and the only forward Lids has some history with to develop the chemistry is Twal, and to a lesser extent Musgrove.

Other than that it was Packer, Cheeks, Mikaele and co. Some of you really need to be implored to have the same faith that Madge has in our starting hooker for this year.

There’s other more pressing issues that we are definitely not covered for and besides - If he really wasn’t good enough or Simpkin blows him out of the water (already)... then rest assured Old Faithful Robbie would’ve let us know in no uncertain terms!
 
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325948) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325707) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325521) said:
@spartan117 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325515) said:
Heard Matty john give Liddle a massive wrap from sundays game at the knights.

He commented on his strengths, tackling technique and the volume of work he did.

Make no mistake - Liddle is one of the main reasons we won on Sunday. After early incident with Doueihi he looked composed, fit, strong enough (and continually improving) + taking the right option 9/10 times. If you’ve never played any form of RL please stop spamming the forum with complaints about his service... that was only during the middle of Raiders game where I’ve never seen us look so rudderless before. Blame the hooker?

Jeez... looking to see a massive game from Talau/Luc and Brooks. Defence will do...


Watch the game again and look how many times 1st receiver had to catch the ball above their head or behind them.


When Mbye came on ? Yes, I saw him do it 3 times in one individual set when we were deadset up against it trying to finish off a game with direction and poise. I’ll take the consistency and effort of Liddle and Garner for the moment over the two fella’s out there on the same side who really did NEARLY cost us that game. No way Luc has outperformed last year and the only forward Lids has some history with to develop the chemistry is Twal, and to a lesser extent Musgrove.

Other than that it was Packer, Cheeks, Mikaele and co. ***Some of you really need to be implored to have the same faith that Madge has in our starting hooker for this year.***

There’s other more pressing issues that we are definitely not covered for and besides - If he really wasn’t good enough or Simpkin blows him out of the water (already)... then rest assured Old Faithful Robbie would’ve let us know in no uncertain terms!

I have faith in Liddle and would have him as our starting hooker. But I dont have some kind of crazy loyalty that makes me blind to the fact that his service has been uncharacteristically poor this year. He needs to improve it. It is effecting our attack.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325956) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325948) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325707) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325521) said:
@spartan117 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325515) said:
Heard Matty john give Liddle a massive wrap from sundays game at the knights.

He commented on his strengths, tackling technique and the volume of work he did.

Make no mistake - Liddle is one of the main reasons we won on Sunday. After early incident with Doueihi he looked composed, fit, strong enough (and continually improving) + taking the right option 9/10 times. If you’ve never played any form of RL please stop spamming the forum with complaints about his service... that was only during the middle of Raiders game where I’ve never seen us look so rudderless before. Blame the hooker?

Jeez... looking to see a massive game from Talau/Luc and Brooks. Defence will do...


Watch the game again and look how many times 1st receiver had to catch the ball above their head or behind them.


When Mbye came on ? Yes, I saw him do it 3 times in one individual set when we were deadset up against it trying to finish off a game with direction and poise. I’ll take the consistency and effort of Liddle and Garner for the moment over the two fella’s out there on the same side who really did NEARLY cost us that game. No way Luc has outperformed last year and the only forward Lids has some history with to develop the chemistry is Twal, and to a lesser extent Musgrove.

Other than that it was Packer, Cheeks, Mikaele and co. ***Some of you really need to be implored to have the same faith that Madge has in our starting hooker for this year.***

There’s other more pressing issues that we are definitely not covered for and besides - If he really wasn’t good enough or Simpkin blows him out of the water (already)... then rest assured Old Faithful Robbie would’ve let us know in no uncertain terms!

I have faith in Liddle and would have him as our starting hooker. But I dont have some kind of crazy loyalty that makes me blind to the fact that his service has been uncharacteristically poor this year. He needs to improve it. It is effecting our attack.

My view as well, I don’t think Liddle is a poor player, I just think Simpkin will be the best hooker for us moving forward
 
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325956) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325948) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325707) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325521) said:
@spartan117 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325515) said:
Heard Matty john give Liddle a massive wrap from sundays game at the knights.

He commented on his strengths, tackling technique and the volume of work he did.

Make no mistake - Liddle is one of the main reasons we won on Sunday. After early incident with Doueihi he looked composed, fit, strong enough (and continually improving) + taking the right option 9/10 times. If you’ve never played any form of RL please stop spamming the forum with complaints about his service... that was only during the middle of Raiders game where I’ve never seen us look so rudderless before. Blame the hooker?

Jeez... looking to see a massive game from Talau/Luc and Brooks. Defence will do...


Watch the game again and look how many times 1st receiver had to catch the ball above their head or behind them.


When Mbye came on ? Yes, I saw him do it 3 times in one individual set when we were deadset up against it trying to finish off a game with direction and poise. I’ll take the consistency and effort of Liddle and Garner for the moment over the two fella’s out there on the same side who really did NEARLY cost us that game. No way Luc has outperformed last year and the only forward Lids has some history with to develop the chemistry is Twal, and to a lesser extent Musgrove.

Other than that it was Packer, Cheeks, Mikaele and co. ***Some of you really need to be implored to have the same faith that Madge has in our starting hooker for this year.***

There’s other more pressing issues that we are definitely not covered for and besides - If he really wasn’t good enough or Simpkin blows him out of the water (already)... then rest assured Old Faithful Robbie would’ve let us know in no uncertain terms!

I have faith in Liddle and would have him as our starting hooker. But I dont have some kind of crazy loyalty that makes me blind to the fact that his service has been uncharacteristically poor this year. He needs to improve it. It is effecting our attack.


And you believe Simpkin alone is the solution... I am inclined to agree with almost all of what you posted except that I am morn displaying some kind of crazy ‘loyalty’.

Two people can watch the exact same game and come up with two completely differing opinions. Jake would’ve had his rails run into the top flight severely impacted by being literally thrown to the wolves in the hunter - facing a huge defensive challenge that would’ve seen the entire team come unstuck. I don’t really see how you could disagree???

By doing so would inflect that you think Liddle is in fact not a footy players’ bootlace. Or, at the very least you don’t back the coach.
 
Must remember to implore myself to care less... I’ve actually played footy at a pretty high level and for the life of me can’t see why people blame our lack of attacking penetration and threats through entire-field passing tactics and even aerially, on Jacob.

Talau and Doueihi, playing their 1st and second games of the year IIRC, were the only ones who looked likely even when Mbye came on to serve up some absolute crap. This illustrates how it’s not exactly/at all Liddle’s fault that the game plan has been crumbling and he was instructed to try and play a role for the team instead of playing his natural one... these killer instincts and toughness he possesses are not lost on a faithful Tiger like myself, he’s showed the most ACTUAL promise... ACTUALLY in training and out there on an actual first grade football pitch.

If you don’t believe me, then please, refresh your memory with a 5-tackle examination of Mbye’s work out of dummy half and proper critique of service with respect to the role a dummy-half is actually paid to do. That try between him and Mikaele to Pearce that single-handedly put the Knights back in it? Wasn’t Jacob who failed to lead the line speed or have any directional sense of where the ‘playmakers’ would be taking that play. No way Jacob Liddle comes up with fresh air... he makes the ankle tap - anyway. Enough.

Without him we lose that game. Doubt?

None.
 
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326000) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325956) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325948) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325707) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325521) said:
@spartan117 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1325515) said:
Heard Matty john give Liddle a massive wrap from sundays game at the knights.

He commented on his strengths, tackling technique and the volume of work he did.

Make no mistake - Liddle is one of the main reasons we won on Sunday. After early incident with Doueihi he looked composed, fit, strong enough (and continually improving) + taking the right option 9/10 times. If you’ve never played any form of RL please stop spamming the forum with complaints about his service... that was only during the middle of Raiders game where I’ve never seen us look so rudderless before. Blame the hooker?

Jeez... looking to see a massive game from Talau/Luc and Brooks. Defence will do...


Watch the game again and look how many times 1st receiver had to catch the ball above their head or behind them.


When Mbye came on ? Yes, I saw him do it 3 times in one individual set when we were deadset up against it trying to finish off a game with direction and poise. I’ll take the consistency and effort of Liddle and Garner for the moment over the two fella’s out there on the same side who really did NEARLY cost us that game. No way Luc has outperformed last year and the only forward Lids has some history with to develop the chemistry is Twal, and to a lesser extent Musgrove.

Other than that it was Packer, Cheeks, Mikaele and co. ***Some of you really need to be implored to have the same faith that Madge has in our starting hooker for this year.***

There’s other more pressing issues that we are definitely not covered for and besides - If he really wasn’t good enough or Simpkin blows him out of the water (already)... then rest assured Old Faithful Robbie would’ve let us know in no uncertain terms!

I have faith in Liddle and would have him as our starting hooker. But I dont have some kind of crazy loyalty that makes me blind to the fact that his service has been uncharacteristically poor this year. He needs to improve it. It is effecting our attack.


***And you believe Simpkin alone is the solution***... I am inclined to agree with almost all of what you posted except that I am morn displaying some kind of crazy ‘loyalty’.

Do I? Do I really? I have said ZERO about Simpkin. I wouldnt pick him. Id have Mbye at 14. I merely said that Liddles passing has been poor, uncharacteristically poor and he needs to fix it. I'd prefer you didnt put words in my mouth.


Two people can watch the exact same game and come up with two completely differing opinions. Jake would’ve had his rails run into the top flight severely impacted by being literally thrown to the wolves in the hunter - facing a huge defensive challenge that would’ve seen the entire team come unstuck. I don’t really see how you could disagree???

I dont give a rats if I agree or disagree with you. I SAID NOTHING about Simpkin and I wouldnt have picked him for the Knights game or the next 6 or 7 games at least.....


By doing so would inflect that you think Liddle is in fact not a footy players’ bootlace. Or, at the very least you don’t back the coach.


Wow.....just wow. Just keep ramming your words in my mouth. I have repeatedly said Liddle is a good player. Ive never ***inflected*** otherwise. Ive said he should be the starting 9....in much the same way the coach does.....but you just do you and keep ignoring what I actually say and imagine things I dont actually say or "*inflect*" just to have your own argument with yourself.

Ill sit out your private madness if thats ok with you.
 
Liddle is our starting 9...his passing this year needs to improve slightly to be NRL standard,it will come with games under his belt...Mbye is a utility that has to fill in as per Madge,he is not a SPECIALIST hooker like Liddle is...Simpkin is the future 9 for our club,he isnt ready for FG yet...Madge will be the judge of that....
 
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/04/01/liddle-looking-for-back-to-back-wins-against-the-eels/
 
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326009) said:
Must remember to implore myself to care less... ***I’ve actually played footy at a pretty high level*** and for the life of me can’t see why people blame our lack of attacking penetration and threats through entire-field passing tactics and even aerially, on Jacob.

Youve played footy at a pretty high level and cant understand the difference a hooker makes to the attack? Thats surprising, but here we go.

Good flowing attack is dependent on the ball receiver and supporting players running at speed, in position, eyes forward, hands out in front. The pass to the receiver needs to be out in front, chest height so he is running onto it to give him maximum time and distance from the rushing defence.

As soon the receiver has to stop and catch it above his head, or stop and reach behind himself, he stops...all teh support players need to stop and kills all momentum and reduces the time before the defence gets to him.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326029) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326009) said:
Must remember to implore myself to care less... ***I’ve actually played footy at a pretty high level*** and for the life of me can’t see why people blame our lack of attacking penetration and threats through entire-field passing tactics and even aerially, on Jacob.


Youve played footy at a pretty high level and cant understand the difference a hooker makes to the attack? Thats surprising, but here we go.

Good flowing attack is dependent on the ball receiver and supporting players running at speed, in position, eyes forward, hands out in front. The pass to the receiver needs to be out in front, chest height so he is running onto it to give him maximum time and distance from the rushing defence.

As soon the receiver has to stop and catch it above his head, or stop and reach behind himself, he stops...all teh support players need to stop and kills all momentum and reduces the time before the defence gets to him.

Get a room you two.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326029) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326009) said:
Must remember to implore myself to care less... ***I’ve actually played footy at a pretty high level*** and for the life of me can’t see why people blame our lack of attacking penetration and threats through entire-field passing tactics and even aerially, on Jacob.


Youve played footy at a pretty high level and cant understand the difference a hooker makes to the attack? Thats surprising, but here we go.

Good flowing attack is dependent on the ball receiver and supporting players running at speed, in position, eyes forward, hands out in front. The pass to the receiver needs to be out in front, chest height so he is running onto it to give him maximum time and distance from the rushing defence.

As soon the receiver has to stop and catch it above his head, or stop and reach behind himself, he stops...all teh support players need to stop and kills all momentum and reduces the time before the defence gets to him.

Appreciate the lesson in attack but I clearly stated that my opinions are based off my own experiences and, yes, as I said was at a fairly high level... with fairly good coaches too.

And you think I was putting words in your mouth? We can leave it here mate.

Clearly disagree on the game plan and what’s actually been occurring out there on the field vs. what we allowed ourselves to believe at season start.

I think you make some very valid points as well, but it’s more about having faith at this stage of the season and being able to show it (for the betterment of the club) by not being too overly critical of our guys when it comes to things that are clearly on the up.
 
@imback said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326030) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326029) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326009) said:
Must remember to implore myself to care less... ***I’ve actually played footy at a pretty high level*** and for the life of me can’t see why people blame our lack of attacking penetration and threats through entire-field passing tactics and even aerially, on Jacob.


Youve played footy at a pretty high level and cant understand the difference a hooker makes to the attack? Thats surprising, but here we go.

Good flowing attack is dependent on the ball receiver and supporting players running at speed, in position, eyes forward, hands out in front. The pass to the receiver needs to be out in front, chest height so he is running onto it to give him maximum time and distance from the rushing defence.

As soon the receiver has to stop and catch it above his head, or stop and reach behind himself, he stops...all teh support players need to stop and kills all momentum and reduces the time before the defence gets to him.

Get a room you two.

Tiger boy are BENNY ELIAS
 
@elderslie_tiger said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326047) said:
@imback said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326030) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326029) said:
@tigerboy said in [Jacob Liddle](/post/1326009) said:
Must remember to implore myself to care less... ***I’ve actually played footy at a pretty high level*** and for the life of me can’t see why people blame our lack of attacking penetration and threats through entire-field passing tactics and even aerially, on Jacob.


Youve played footy at a pretty high level and cant understand the difference a hooker makes to the attack? Thats surprising, but here we go.

Good flowing attack is dependent on the ball receiver and supporting players running at speed, in position, eyes forward, hands out in front. The pass to the receiver needs to be out in front, chest height so he is running onto it to give him maximum time and distance from the rushing defence.

As soon the receiver has to stop and catch it above his head, or stop and reach behind himself, he stops...all teh support players need to stop and kills all momentum and reduces the time before the defence gets to him.

Get a room you two.

Tiger boy are BENNY ELIAS


More likely to be Mrs Liddle
 
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