Jacob Liddle #198

[BAGNF05]

He made over 50 tackles, Brooks & Mbye didn’t exactly provide him with any options.

When he wanted to speed the play up it was a forward or no one.

Our halves cost us the game today.

Him making 50 tackles probably indicates opposition coaches don’t rate him highly either. Have to say Marshall’s brother has impressed me more than Liddle. And I’m not a huge fan of JMK.

 

[the_third]

Agree with all of that - he is a good dummy half, but when we went missing in that 10 mins after 1/2 time he needed to get us on track, Cam Smith style (cough). He plays a key role in the team, and has enough wraps on him that he needs to shoulder some of that responsibility.

We basically defended for about nine of those ten minutes when not awaiting the conversion, so not much a nine with tired equally tired team-mates that probably cannot kick a 20/40 or the reverse can do.

yup tired after 1/2 time doesn't cut it for any of them. His job was to get us off the try line and he did lazy passes with no guile. Brooks just had to do a proper kick off.

he's good, and I've said that. but in that 10 mins we needed people to step up. those 2 in particular let us down. one will learn, that other just needs to get his kicks right

 

[hsvjones]

I don’t get some of the stupid comments and morons on this forum.

Jacob had an exceptional game for his first full 80 minutes in 3 years. 51 tackles and a try should be praised not vilified.

The fact is, as a team we had a brain explosion (again) after halftime, made crucial mistakes and then defensively folded like a deck of cards.

All you couch coaches need to pull your head in.

Number one job for a dummy half... good service. He failed at that, he made a lot of tackles but he missed a lot too. Don't think it was a bad performance but it wasn't good let alone exceptional. He also barely ran the ball, plenty for him to improve on.

For me the 1 thing that 100% needs to improve is not throwing forward passes... it is such a let down and heads drop plus we lose the opportunity in attack..
People say the runner is the problem and that is true but he is the one still passing them and he should of been pulled up a few more times from the ref as well..
I personally want 2 hookers in the 17 with the way the game is played now as how beneficial would it be to have a quick Simpkin come in with 20 to play and creating havoc in the rack. We are a pretty fit team compared to some and should exploit that.

 

[TrueTiger]

Yeah it's not like they been playing rugby league since they were 6..

But have they played NRL since they were 6...they may have the basics but not the composure....

 

[JD Tiger]

Look the way the game has sped up since last year, I think it’s silly for Jacob to be playing 80 ( just yet). Really thought Mbye would have gone there after 50 and given Talau a run at 6. The coach has a lot to blame for as do the players from rd 1. Just hope both parties learn from them ?

I think it was his first 80min game and it was R1, he can only improve from here, if they can get him doing a full game, it allows them to use the bench better IMO.

I think turkey had a point. Liddle played 80 minutes so Packer could come on for 11 minutes? Liddle should have done better, but our bench should have been managed better also.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think the simplest thing Madge could do was introduce the entire playing roster to each other after FT

They played like they got arranged to play at the pub 5 minutes before kick off

Usually when that happens you blame the playmakers ....they organize the sides attack

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Did anyone else note he was the 4th fastest player tracked on the Telstra tracker over the weekend? Would be good to see him do that with ball in hand this week.

 

[JC99]

I think the simplest thing Madge could do was introduce the entire playing roster to each other after FT

They played like they got arranged to play at the pub 5 minutes before kick off

Usually when that happens you blame the playmakers ....they organize the sides attack

Doesn't help Mbye seemingly got thrown into 6 at last second and Brooks was running around like a headless chook

 

[happy_tiger]

I think the simplest thing Madge could do was introduce the entire playing roster to each other after FT

They played like they got arranged to play at the pub 5 minutes before kick off

Usually when that happens you blame the playmakers ....they organize the sides attack

Doesn't help Mbye seemingly got thrown into 6 at last second and Brooks was running around like a headless chook

Last second ...they would have known basically the day they signed Laurie and at the very least for 2 weeks after the Manly trial

Again ...people making excuses for the club ......they knew at the end of Rd 25 2020 Douehi wasn't available .....

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I think the simplest thing Madge could do was introduce the entire playing roster to each other after FT

They played like they got arranged to play at the pub 5 minutes before kick off

Usually when that happens you blame the playmakers ....they organize the sides attack

Doesn't help Mbye seemingly got thrown into 6 at last second and Brooks was running around like a headless chook

Last second ...they would have known basically the day they signed Laurie and at the very least for 2 weeks after the Manly trial

Again ...people making excuses for the club ......they knew at the end of Rd 25 2020 Douehi wasn't available .....

I would say the original plan and the one they trained for , was mbye 1 madden 6. But as Laurie is a prodigious talent , that he forced the change . If I’m madge and I had my time again , I’d have had madden and mbye at 14 .
I think we played so flat late in the game because , the raiders were aloud to be offside , so we had to to get any kind of movement . JoelCaine talked about it in reference to another game in his podcast , I believe Melbourne and Souths . But the same is true for our game . It’s not humanly possible to shoot out when the dummy half releases it to be standing next to the halfback all game . It was really poor from Sutton . The guy only ever referees one team , at any one time .

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Mbye and Brooks where off their game. They sucked.

Mbye all preseason was at fullback, he would of been use to going side to side supporting acting as another 5/8th

Brooks and Mbye would of been practicing linking up alot during the season and might I add the last few seasons as well.

They knew AD was out round 1 last year.

For the 2 most experienced halves in our squad they where terrible.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think the simplest thing Madge could do was introduce the entire playing roster to each other after FT

They played like they got arranged to play at the pub 5 minutes before kick off

Usually when that happens you blame the playmakers ....they organize the sides attack

Doesn't help Mbye seemingly got thrown into 6 at last second and Brooks was running around like a headless chook

Last second ...they would have known basically the day they signed Laurie and at the very least for 2 weeks after the Manly trial

Again ...people making excuses for the club ......they knew at the end of Rd 25 2020 Douehi wasn't available .....

I would say the original plan and the one they trained for , was mbye 1 madden 6. But as Laurie is a prodigious talent , that he forced the change . If I’m madge and I had my time again , I’d have had madden and mbye at 14 .
I think we played so flat late in the game because , the raiders were aloud to be offside , so we had to to get any kind of movement . JoelCaine talked about it in reference to another game in his podcast , I believe Melbourne and Souths . But the same is true for our game . It’s not humanly possible to shoot out when the dummy half releases it to be standing next to the halfback all game . It was really poor from Sutton . The guy only ever referees one team , at any one time .

Don't mean to sound like it was 20/20 hindsight , but Mbye was always going to play 6 imo .....he is a far better defender and provided experience beside Brooks

 

[Harvey]

Batting down the arms of opposing hookers is a good strategy, I'd like to see us employ it. Makes it very difficult on the opposing hooker to get a nice pass away as they have to rush it

People harp on about Melbourne always creating new tactics but Canberra have been really big on it the last few years. Masters of the one on one strip as well as a few other smaller things

How many times a game should we do it? However many times, make that the starting point of the penalty count against us.

90+% of the time, a player doing that will be penalised.

While there is a lot of negative being pointed at our attack (and I will not argue it was good) what Canberra was getting away with in defence was ridiculous. There was one replay shows where our first or 2nd receiver got smashed towards the end of a tackle count before he could pass the ball (might have been Mbye trying to run back to avoid the rush). A replay was showed and the tackler was 5 metres offside.

I am proud of the effort on the weekend. It wasn't perfect, but you can't compete when games are being officiated in such a one sided manner.

 

[JC99]

Batting down the arms of opposing hookers is a good strategy, I'd like to see us employ it. Makes it very difficult on the opposing hooker to get a nice pass away as they have to rush it

People harp on about Melbourne always creating new tactics but Canberra have been really big on it the last few years. Masters of the one on one strip as well as a few other smaller things

How many times a game should we do it? However many times, make that the starting point of the penalty count against us.

90+% of the time, a player doing that will be penalised.

While there is a lot of negative being pointed at our attack (and I will not argue it was good) what Canberra was getting away with in defence was ridiculous. There was one replay shows where our first or 2nd receiver got smashed towards the end of a tackle count before he could pass the ball (might have been Mbye trying to run back to avoid the rush). A replay was showed and the tackler was 5 metres offside.

I am proud of the effort on the weekend. It wasn't perfect, but you can't compete when games are being officiated in such a one sided manner.

As long as the dummy half takes a step, however small, it's legal. I've seen teams do it in other games without getting in trouble for it, if the hooker isn't passing off the ground it's a very viable tactic, that's why Liddle struggled with it so much.

We hurt ourselves more than anything. Lots of dumb errors and penalties that can only be blamed on ourself.

 

[Harvey]

Batting down the arms of opposing hookers is a good strategy, I'd like to see us employ it. Makes it very difficult on the opposing hooker to get a nice pass away as they have to rush it

People harp on about Melbourne always creating new tactics but Canberra have been really big on it the last few years. Masters of the one on one strip as well as a few other smaller things

How many times a game should we do it? However many times, make that the starting point of the penalty count against us.

90+% of the time, a player doing that will be penalised.

While there is a lot of negative being pointed at our attack (and I will not argue it was good) what Canberra was getting away with in defence was ridiculous. There was one replay shows where our first or 2nd receiver got smashed towards the end of a tackle count before he could pass the ball (might have been Mbye trying to run back to avoid the rush). A replay was showed and the tackler was 5 metres offside.

I am proud of the effort on the weekend. It wasn't perfect, but you can't compete when games are being officiated in such a one sided manner.

As long as the dummy half takes a step, however small, it's legal. I've seen teams do it in other games without getting in trouble for it, if the hooker isn't passing off the ground it's a very viable tactic, that's why Liddle struggled with it so much.

We hurt ourselves more than anything. Lots of dumb errors and penalties that can only be blamed on ourself.

I will agree to disagree. If you can show me examples of where teams have got away with playing the arms of the dummy half, or teams penalised for the same where the dummy half has not taken a step then I will defer.

In most games I have seen slapping at the dummy half will get you penalised unless he has run a few metres. Maybe this is one of the rule changes introduced for this season and like others (especially when officiating Tigers games) it can be reversed next week.

 

[BZN]

Batting down the arms of opposing hookers is a good strategy, I'd like to see us employ it. Makes it very difficult on the opposing hooker to get a nice pass away as they have to rush it

People harp on about Melbourne always creating new tactics but Canberra have been really big on it the last few years. Masters of the one on one strip as well as a few other smaller things

How many times a game should we do it? However many times, make that the starting point of the penalty count against us.

90+% of the time, a player doing that will be penalised.

While there is a lot of negative being pointed at our attack (and I will not argue it was good) what Canberra was getting away with in defence was ridiculous. There was one replay shows where our first or 2nd receiver got smashed towards the end of a tackle count before he could pass the ball (might have been Mbye trying to run back to avoid the rush). A replay was showed and the tackler was 5 metres offside.

I am proud of the effort on the weekend. It wasn't perfect, but you can't compete when games are being officiated in such a one sided manner.

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[Needaname]

Batting down the arms of opposing hookers is a good strategy, I'd like to see us employ it. Makes it very difficult on the opposing hooker to get a nice pass away as they have to rush it

People harp on about Melbourne always creating new tactics but Canberra have been really big on it the last few years. Masters of the one on one strip as well as a few other smaller things

How many times a game should we do it? However many times, make that the starting point of the penalty count against us.

90+% of the time, a player doing that will be penalised.

While there is a lot of negative being pointed at our attack (and I will not argue it was good) what Canberra was getting away with in defence was ridiculous. There was one replay shows where our first or 2nd receiver got smashed towards the end of a tackle count before he could pass the ball (might have been Mbye trying to run back to avoid the rush). A replay was showed and the tackler was 5 metres offside.

I am proud of the effort on the weekend. It wasn't perfect, but you can't compete when games are being officiated in such a one sided manner.

As long as the dummy half takes a step, however small, it's legal. I've seen teams do it in other games without getting in trouble for it, if the hooker isn't passing off the ground it's a very viable tactic, that's why Liddle struggled with it so much.

We hurt ourselves more than anything. Lots of dumb errors and penalties that can only be blamed on ourself.


I will agree to disagree. If you can show me examples of where teams have got away with playing the arms of the dummy half, or teams penalised for the same where the dummy half has not taken a step then I will defer.

In most games I have seen slapping at the dummy half will get you penalised unless he has run a few metres. Maybe this is one of the rule changes introduced for this season and like others (especially when officiating Tigers games) it can be reversed next week.

Well the exact same play was attempted twice. One time no penalty, second time penalty.

 

[hank37w]

I don’t get some of the stupid comments and morons on this forum.

Jacob had an exceptional game for his first full 80 minutes in 3 years. 51 tackles and a try should be praised not vilified.

The fact is, as a team we had a brain explosion (again) after halftime, made crucial mistakes and then defensively folded like a deck of cards.

All you couch coaches need to pull your head in.

Wow, can't believe you got 6 down votes for stating the facts.

May have got some people off side with the moron and pull your head in bits, but otherwise pretty right.

We'll get better.

 

[mike]

I don’t get some of the stupid comments and morons on this forum.

Jacob had an exceptional game for his first full 80 minutes in 3 years. 51 tackles and a try should be praised not vilified.

The fact is, as a team we had a brain explosion (again) after halftime, made crucial mistakes and then defensively folded like a deck of cards.

All you couch coaches need to pull your head in.

Spot on. The team only needs a couple of tweaks. Liddle isn’t one of them. Doueihi in for Mbye is.

 

[tony soprano]

I don’t get some of the stupid comments and morons on this forum.

Jacob had an exceptional game for his first full 80 minutes in 3 years. 51 tackles and a try should be praised not vilified.

The fact is, as a team we had a brain explosion (again) after halftime, made crucial mistakes and then defensively folded like a deck of cards.

All you couch coaches need to pull your head in.

Spot on. The team only needs a couple of tweaks. Liddle isn’t one of them. Doueihi in for Mbye is.

Liddle shown little in how many games. What makes you think he’ll turn things around now?