Jahream Bula #269

I would honestly try to get Onitoni Large back he left before and came back


I think he would be an outstanding fullback he is tall lighting fast steps kicks and is a ready made ball playing fullback and Big Mac is his friend
That would have been my long term plan before we let him go.
The issue was we moved him to fullback in a Jersey Flegg game and there were reports he or his father demanded he only play in the halves.
I think it’s likely we have not yet re-signed Jahream as we are only willing to pay him 900k to 1 million per season until the end of 2028 as we want to check and see he becomes an elite player before committing to him on a big money longer term contract.
I think we need to stick to our guns as Jahream has not yet proven himself to be value on a long term 4-5 contract on 900k to 1 million per season.
Obviously if he comes out and plays better than ever helping us to our fair share of wins early this season, that could quickly change and as far as I’m aware that is pretty much what we have advised him.
 
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We have a lot of player coming through that are close to braking into 1st grade. As we have seen in both trials. Spending 1mill plus on a Bula replacement (even short term) wouldn’t be wise IMO.
Heamasi Makasini, J.Andrew, Haywood, Attard, ect will all need upgrading soon
Isdale might be better then them all including Bula
 
....and when all these juniors get to Bulas stage of career and possibly find themselves in the same situation, do we wave goodbye and say hello to the next lot of kids?

This cycle has to stop
No doubt. I dont want Bula to leave, he is class. Just saying I wouldn’t spend 1mil plus on a fullback outside the current squad. If we do then we might be waving goodbye to the next lot of kids.
 
Do you really think we can pay 450k and we'll get someone that does what Bula can in first grade?? In a marketplace with two cashed up new clubs joining? It's not Lowes.

I'd rather invest in potential than overpay for veterans at this point. Look at Gutherson already out of gas at the Dragons. That's what we'd get. How are we going to stand out in the marketplace with PNG and Bears all cashed up, we'd have to offer 4 years at 750k to turn heads of even average players, and by that stage you have to ask yourself is the extra 250k to keep a talented player for a couple of seasons that bad?
Investing in potential.. isnt that exactly what we have done with bula? So whats the point of investing in players if we never get the return on them?
 
Investing in potential.. isnt that exactly what we have done with bula? So whats the point of investing in players if we never get the return on them?
Let me say up front that I don't think that we are there yet with Bula; however, as much as the players are human beings good clubs, like Melbourne, treat them as projects in big business. They identify options that are likely to provide a return and invest in them. When they are not producing they offload them and move to the next likely player to produce. There is no benefit to the club from investing in a failing course of action (player) - it is simply throwing cap money away.

When we invest in players we need to identify an exit point and if they don't achieve move them on - if we give them another season etc - we are living on hope not performance. A short term deal for Bula is definitley in our best interests with an eye on the development of Attard and Brooks and a plan C from outside of the club.

I trust that the discussions between Benji, Bula and Moses have been frank, fearless and clear. I expect that while Benji has not been blunt it must be clear to Bula that his future at the club is dependent on him keeping the young guns at bay through his on field performances.

My gut feel is that Bula and Moses are not in the driver's seat for this negotiation - we have given them a couple of options, that I expect are lower than expected, so Moses is trying to work the angles to get more in his pocket (and in Bula's as a by product). I think we are in a good position and Bula is not likely to drop his head if things don't work out in the longer term.

This is showing development and maturity from the football department. We did not rush in to pick up the club option, we have laid out a short term and longer term option that suits us and left it with Bula and Moses. We have recruited depth well and have a pathways option that is also applying pressure. If Bula can get more elsewhere - good on him - we have identified his value to us and if he wants more than he is worth - cut him away and move on.
 
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Let me say up front that I don't think that we are there yet with Bula; however, as much as the players are human beings good clubs, like Melbourne, treat them as projects in big business. They identify options that are likely to provide a return and invest in them. When they are not producing they offload them and move to the next likely player to produce. There is no benefit to the club from investing in a failing course of action (player) - it is simply throwing cap money away.

When we invest in players we need to identify and exit point and if they don;t achieve move them on - if we give them another season etc - we are living on hope not performance. A short term deal for Bula is definitley in our best interests with an eye on the development of Attard and Brooks and a plan C from outside of the club.

I trust that the discussions between Benji, Bula and Moses have been frank, fearless and clear. I expect that while Benji has not been blunt it must be clear to Bula that his future at the club is dependent on him keeping the youg guns at bay through his on field performances.

My gut feel is that Bula and Moses are not in the driver's seat for this negotiation - we have given them a couple of options, that I expect are lower than expected, so Moses is trying to work the angles to get more in his pocket (and in Bula's as a by product). I think we are in a good position and Bula is not likely to drop his head if things don't work out in the longer term.

This is showing development and maturity from the football department. We did not rusch in to pick up the club option, we have laid out a short term and longer term option that suits us and left it with Bual and Moses. We have recruited depth well and have a pathways option that is also applying pressure. If Bula can get more elsewhere - good on him - we have identified his value to us and if he wants more than he is worth - cut him away and move on.
I dont disagree with what you have said.

I was just pointing out that the concept of "investing in potential" is a waste of time if we never see the return on investment.

Who in our current squad have we invested in that we have actually seen a return from? I actually don't think there is a single player. Everyone of note has been bought from other sides. The ones we invest in always seem to leave.
 
I dont disagree with what you have said.

I was just pointing out that the concept of "investing in potential" is a waste of time if we never see the return on investment.

Who in our current squad have we invested in that we have actually seen a return from? I actually don't think there is a single player. Everyone of note has been bought from other sides. The ones we invest in always seem to leave.
I trust that we will be turning that corner soon (how long is a piece of string) - especially if Shaun delivers on his goal of having the best NRL pathways system in the world. There is a lot to be done but there are indicators that we are on the improve. I also think that our external investment strategy is improving.

If we put Galvin aside, as he is a special case that never wanted to be here, and use TDS as a case study we see a glimpse of a maturing programme. TDS was the next big thing and we gave him an opportunity to learn under the mentorship of Api. Behind him we had Haywood as depth. TDS pushes for a starting spot and $ that would bend the cap and was not yet ready to take more minutes from Api. Haywood was identified in the pathways as having a higher ceiling than TDS. So instead of holding TDS back we let him go and prioritsed Haywood. TDS, has an opportunity to be exposed to other systems and could well find his way back (if needed) but the key is that we didn't let him go without a backup plan. Luke L on the wing is another junior that now has Makasini blocking his path, so again allowed to move on with the focus shifting to someone deeper in that pathway

I get the feeling that Benji and Co have a good feel for Bula's ceiling and have identifed Attard as a better long term option. He has been recruited from outside of our system in front of Brooks as someone identified the need for a short to medium term option. I expect, based on Bula's performance and probably the "vibe" around the upcoming contract negotiation. Good insurance in my book.

I don't look at being a "Pathways" club as necessarily being totally focussed on being a "junior development club" per se. When we have juniors in our system we nurture them, but when we identify potential shortfalls we recruit them into the pathway as early as possible and develop our needs.

25 odd years on, and due to lack of foresight and investment, it is still very early in the development of the pathways system. We still have a long way to go. Add to that our junior base being pilfered by recruitment based clubs due to our lack of on field performance and investment, and the picture is a little bleak. With the "largest recruitment pool" in the NRL our Wests and Balmain junior reps are performing below par; however, are still throwing up developement prospects like Brooks, Godinet, Havea Jnr and CTM.

Our historic lack of investment in grass roots footy is showing - if we are serious about developing our pathways Shaun needs to convince HBG to invest in the future by spending now on our junior and coaching development. We concurrently need to identify outside talent and bring them into our system early.

Until we have that level of investment, depth will remain hit and miss and I think we will continue to see a bit of a turnstyle in the pathways system.
 
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I trust that the discussions between Benji, Bula and Moses have been frank, fearless and clear. I expect that while Benji has not been blunt it must be clear to Bula that his future at the club is dependent on him keeping the young guns at bay through his on field performances.

My gut feel is that Bula and Moses are not in the driver's seat for this negotiation - we have given them a couple of options, that I expect are lower than expected, so Moses is trying to work the angles to get more in his pocket (and in Bula's as a by product). I think we are in a good position and Bula is not likely to drop his head if things don't work out in the longer term.

my gut feel is that they haven’t picked up the 2027 option yet because they want to avoid another Moses temper tantrum like we saw last year

Who else do you think is offering more money than the Tigers ? I could believe the Perth Bears ….but I don’t think that move suits him …. Moses will wait for the deadline ( April 30 I believe ?) to see if he can get someone else to play…the timing is on his side there …

I don’t agree with you that the Tigers are in a “good position “ over how this is unfolding …This really should have been decided one way or the other by now IMO….they need some certainty one way to move to Plan B if required
 
my gut feel is that they haven’t picked up the 2027 option yet because they want to avoid another Moses temper tantrum like we saw last year

Who else do you think is offering more money than the Tigers ? I could believe the Perth Bears ….but I don’t think that move suits him …. Moses will wait for the deadline ( April 30 I believe ?) to see if he can get someone else to play…the timing is on his side there …

I don’t agree with you that the Tigers are in a “good position “ over how this is unfolding …This really should have been decided one way or the other by now IMO….they need some certainty one way to move to Plan B if required
I get your point, but the reason I think we are in a good position is that we have identified what Bula is worth to us and made an offer and we have identified our plan B with time to bring them on. I'm sure we would prefer that the drama was over, but the ball is in Bula's court and we have options. That is a good place to be negotiating from as Bula knows we have options - if we didn't Bula and Moses would be pushing the agenda instead of us leaking that offers have been made.

From this I take it that we are in the box seat - not Moses.
 
I trust that we will be turning that corner soon (how long is a piece of string) - especially if Shaun delivers on his goal of having the best NRL pathways system in the world. There is a lot to be done but there are indicators that we are on the improve. I also think that our external investment strategy is improving.

If we put Galvin aside, as he is a special case that never wanted to be here, and use TDS as a case study we see a glimpse of a maturing programme. TDS was the next big thing and we gave him an opportunity to learn under the mentorship of Api. Behind him we had Haywood as depth. TDS pushes for a starting spot and $ that would bend the cap and was not yet ready to take more minutes from Api. Haywood was identified in the pathways as having a higher ceiling than TDS. So instead of holding TDS back we let him go and prioritsed Haywood. TDS, has an opportunity to be exposed to other systems and could well find his way back (if needed) but the key is that we didn't let him go without a backup plan. Luke L on the wing is another junior that now has Makasini blocking his path, so again allowed to move on with the focus shifting to someone deeper in that pathway

I get the feeling that Benji and Co have a good feel for Bula's ceiling and have identifed Attard as a better long term option. He has been recruited from outside of our system in front of Brooks as someone identified the need for a short to medium term option. I expect, based on Bula's performance and probably the "vibe" around the upcoming contract negotiation. Good insurance in my book.

I don't look at being a "Pathways" club as necessarily being totally focussed on being a "junior development club" per se. When we have juniors in our system we nurture them, but when we identify potential shortfalls we recruit them into the pathway as early as possible and develop our needs.

25 odd years on, and due to lack of foresight and investment, it is still very early in the development of the pathways system. We still have a long way to go. Add to that our junior base being pilfered by recruitment based clubs due to our lack of on field performance and investment, and the picture is a little bleak. With the "largest recruitment pool" in the NRL our Wests and Balmain junior reps are performing below par; however, are still throwing up developement prospects like Brooks, Godinet, Havea Jnr and CTM.

Our historic lack of investment in grass roots footy is showing - if we are serious about developing our pathways Shaun needs to convince HBG to invest in the future by spending now on our junior and coaching development. We concurrently need to identify outside talent and bring them into our system early.

Until we have that level of investment, depth will remain hit and miss and I think we will continue to see a bit of a turnstyle in the pathways system.
I appreciate the detalied overview mate. But Ill believe it when I see it. Plans are one thing, executing them is another.

SM came out talking in the papers about calling all these members and having coffees etc... its nothing but PR smoke... I contacted them twice in a professional matter and received nothing. I cant even get a straight forward answer from the club about memberships for next year (Leichardt flexi) and retaining seats for 2028. It isnt rocket science... "yes as an existing member you will receive first pick to reserve seats at the new Leichardt oval under a flexi package"...

Yet he is somehow going to create and maintain a far more complex pathways system in conjunction with HBG? Its hard to see it.. I mean he isnt even the official ceo yet.
 
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I appreciate the detalied overview mate. But Ill believe it when I see it. Plans are one thing, executing them is another.

SM came out talking in the papers about calling all these members and having coffees etc... its nothing but PR smoke... I contacted them twice in a professional matter and received nothing. I cant even get a straight forward answer from the club about memberships for next year (Leichardt flexi) and retaining seats for 2028. It isnt rocket science... "yes as an existing member you will receive first pick to reserve seats at the new Leichardt oval under a flexi package"...

Yet he is somehow going to create and maintain a far more complex pathways system in conjunction with HBG? Its hard to see it.. I mean he isnt even the official ceo yet.
The proof is definitiely in the pudding - my expereince with contacting the club has been different so it is clearly hit and miss. I expect that given the lack of funds provided by HBG it is a necessarily lean organisation.

He was pretty clear when he explained the Pathways plan that he had to convince HBG, as an interim CEO, to willingly fund it. With one board meeting last month and one to come I'm not expecting big things in the short term.

If anything, despite Shaun's big push for communications with members it has gone backwards, less his engagement. Our media department is below in many aspects and the differing expereinces with the membership team means tey clearly aren't on the same hymn sheet. With a limited budget I expect there is prioritisation, and members don't seem to be high on the list at the moment.

My understanding is that Shaun is interim for this year - don't think they are looking for a replacement as yet - so more of the same is likely to come.
 
....and when all these juniors get to Bulas stage of career and possibly find themselves in the same situation, do we wave goodbye and say hello to the next lot of kids?

This cycle has to stop
I think the answer is in what upside they have and how we are performing as a club. At the moment there isn't much to keep a kid in reggies waiting given how poorly we have performed over the last decade plus. It is a bit of chicken and egg - we need to perform to have them prepared to stay and we need good players with depth behind them to get results.

Like everyone I'm trying to read the tea leaves, but is we have made two offers to Bula (and leaked them) my gut feel is that we know what Bula is worth to us value wise and we are propared to let him walk because other talent has been identified. My expectation is that Bula (Moses) thinks that the offer is too low and is dragging it out in an effort to shake more $ from us or another club.

If Bula was someone to build the team around I don't think this discussion is happening and he would be a must keep and the juniors would have to get in line. As it stands he is a nice to have now - but replaceable within our existing resources (with risk).

If we get the model right we will (eventially) be able to reap the benefits of both talent and depth - but is requires investment and I haven't heard any money dropping from the HBG tree.
 

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