Jason Taylor on replacing Robbie Farah and the future of Mitch Moses and James Tedesco

[goldcoast_tiger]

It is fair enough that some fans support our team but not our coach.
But to boo JT when he walks out onto the field or is shown on the big screen is just pathetic IMO.

X4\. Disrespect for their coach by some WT fans during matches is a very bad look for the club, doesn't engender confidence into the WT players and in the eyes of fans from other club makes the club look like rubbish.

The ones that do boo him pay their admissions, and are entitled to show support or boo whoever they like
As far as the players are concerned, they most probably couldn't care what the supporters think of the Coach, they'd have their own opinions, one way or the other.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Making the finals may not necessarily save him either, it will be the absolute minimum for him to retain his job however. We need to make the finals and be competitive.

Maybe 8th would be borderline, but bearing in mind we'd have to find a new coach pretty quickly if we just sneak into the finals and do a Titans.

I'd say 6th or maybe 7th or better and they'll offer him a new 2 year deal. His argument would be sound enough - first finals since 2011 and improved ladder position every year he's been in charge.

Yeah, I'd not be offering him an extension if we just sneak in. Finals is the base requirement to retain him. If we finish on 34 points or higher, you'd be struggling for reasons to not resign him (working on the assumption that the extra wins implies an improved defensive effort throughout the year.)

 

[happy_tiger]

Making the finals may not necessarily save him either, it will be the absolute minimum for him to retain his job however. We need to make the finals and be competitive.

I said this before and I'll restate it. I think we've seen enough of JT to state that he isn't the right person for the job. I'd be getting rid of him next year no matter what.

That isn't stating that a new coach will definitely be a better option than Taylor. It's just stating that the right approach now is to try a different coach based on how he has performed.

I still think that Taylor or any other coach can coach us to a really good season next year and in subsequent seasons.

And who will you get that we can afford Steve

No use sacking someone if we can attract or afford someone better

Just wastes the last three years and then puts us back again to the start and waste 2 years getting the players the new coach wants all over again

 

[matchball]

Making the finals may not necessarily save him either, it will be the absolute minimum for him to retain his job however. We need to make the finals and be competitive.

I said this before and I'll restate it. I think we've seen enough of JT to state that he isn't the right person for the job. I'd be getting rid of him next year no matter what.

That isn't stating that a new coach will definitely be a better option than Taylor. It's just stating that the right approach now is to try a different coach based on how he has performed.

I still think that Taylor or any other coach can coach us to a really good season next year and in subsequent seasons.

And who will you get that we can afford Steve

No use sacking someone if we can attract or afford someone better

Just wastes the last three years and then puts us back again to the start and waste 2 years getting the players the new coach wants all over again

Yeah steve won't ever get it.
Just look at our history and the excellence of the coaches.
Let's forget pre sheens era. It's too embarrassing to address our coaches.
So after Sheens, we had Potter who was a rookie and beat out other rookies and 2nd chance failures looking for another start.
So next we get Taylor, an improvement on Potter and by far the best pick of a bad bunch.
Does anyone remember who was applying????
Nathan Brown and Todd Payten. Jesus drywalling christ noooooo.
People have really short memories when it comes to the details. We got the best coach available and that's a fact.

 

[Telltails]

Rookie coaches have had a level of success with the right squads.
Shane Flanagan was a rookie when he took over the Sharks as was Paul Green.
JT going into his third year needs to get the best out of this squad to secure his position and although I am not convinced about his ability to do that - I also think he is limited by the depth of the squad.

 

[stevetiger]

Making the finals may not necessarily save him either, it will be the absolute minimum for him to retain his job however. We need to make the finals and be competitive.

I said this before and I'll restate it. I think we've seen enough of JT to state that he isn't the right person for the job. I'd be getting rid of him next year no matter what.

That isn't stating that a new coach will definitely be a better option than Taylor. It's just stating that the right approach now is to try a different coach based on how he has performed.

I still think that Taylor or any other coach can coach us to a really good season next year and in subsequent seasons.

And who will you get that we can afford Steve

No use sacking someone if we can attract or afford someone better

Just wastes the last three years and then puts us back again to the start and waste 2 years getting the players the new coach wants all over again

There are a couple of things here that don't to me make logical sense.

Firstly why are we wasting 3 years if we get a new coach. I don't get that at all. Those years aren't wasted and all we can do is make decisions about how the coach has performed.

As for getting someone better being based on money I think shows a lack of understanding about how life works. I try and buy stuff for cheap but that doesn't mean I get poorer quality goods. I get to watch a lot of TV shows and movies in great quality and I don't pay a cent for them. My son bought a Nike bag. It was a piece of crap but it had a Nike brand.

To me it's simple. Let's give someone else a go because Taylor has been extremely poor.

I still think we will have a good season next year.

 

[stevetiger]

Yeah steve won't ever get it.

I get it completely. Things are good in steve land. Onwards and upwards.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

To me it's simple. Let's give someone else a go because Taylor has been extremely poor.

This is what I don't get. We have the CEO acknowledging that Taylor has grown into the role, is happy with the 2016 performance and is now talking about extending his contract, yet your opinion is that Taylor has been "extremely poor."

Fair enough, I have full respect for differences of opinion, but you are literally at the other end of the spectrum to the person that bears the responsibility for Taylor's performance. How is that possible?

 

[stevetiger]

To me it's simple. Let's give someone else a go because Taylor has been extremely poor.

This is what I don't get. We have the CEO acknowledging that Taylor has grown into the role, is happy with the 2016 performance and is now talking about extending his contract, yet your opinion is that Taylor has been "extremely poor."

Fair enough, I have full respect for differences of opinion, but you are literally at the other end of the spectrum to the person that bears the responsibility for Taylor's performance. How is that possible?

I assume because he is playing political games. I don't think anyone can honestly state that Taylor has performed well the past two years.

1\. Speaking crap about the club.
2\. Taylor Ball.
3\. The Robbie drama.
4\. No finals performances including capitulating this season with the season on the line.
5\. 2nd last on F&A in his first season. That is being nice. It was really dead last.
6\. I don't really care about this because all I care about is winning games but the defence has if anything gone backwards.

If we were using metrics to judge how he's performed it'd be a clear cut decision.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

When did Taylor talk crap about the club? I must have missed that part. As for still clinging on to what happened in 2015, it might have been relevant if we had a repeat this yr, but we didn't. It was our best season in 5 years. After all of the hyperbole on here after we finished 15th, finishing 9th was considered an improvement, and i even remember a couple of his critics this time last yr saying it would have been enough for Taylor to earn his third season.

Taking a team from 15th to 9th is not a sackable offence. I give myself a headache trying to figure out why so many think it is. Yes, the defence needs big improvement, but what is more important, where we rank in defence or where we finish on the overall ladder?

I think he's a good thing to be extended, if we finish in the 8 it will be automatic. Pascoe rates him highly.

 

[stevetiger]

When did Taylor talk crap about the club? I must have missed that part.

As soon as he came here. It was honestly like he was one of the posters that post in this forum.

As for still clinging on to what happened in 2015, it might have been relevant if we had a repeat this yr, but we didn't.

I'm not clinging to anything. I'm just stating what happened. It's a factual situation.

i even remember a couple of his critics this time last yr saying it would have been enough for Taylor to earn his third season.

I'm cool with him getting a third season.

Taking a team from 15th to 9th is not a sackable offence.

This is where I think you have it wrong. There is no sackable offence here. We are simply running a top sporting club within Australia. It's not like a 9-5 job where you have sackable offences. The club can extremely easily state we want to go in a different direction and Taylor should still be stoked that we gave him a chance.

I think he's a good thing to be extended, if we finish in the 8 it will be automatic. Pascoe rates him highly.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is extended. He might also do a decent job in the role for another couple of seasons. He is a risk though and that is why I wouldn't pick him. You could state so is any other coach and I agree with that. I still think though that he hasn't done a good enough job and he has been given more than a fair go.

I think we can have a good year next season and I'm actually hopeful that Taylor will do a good job. I think now that Robbie is gone he shouldn't be creating anymore drama and he won't revert back to dumb footy because he now knows it won't work. I think he has learnt a lot from his mistakes but time will tell.

 

[tigermac88]

I'm one of JT's harshest critics on this forum and I honestly think he doesn't have what it takes to be an NRL coach, but I'm ok with him being the coach in 2017, but in saying that this is put up or shut up after this year. I for one hope to see accountability in performances and see finals footy or he should be shown the door without a doubt. Some people are saying our squad isn't good enough to make the 8 regardless of who is the coach, I think that's rubbish if Titans and Panthers can make the 8 with their squads there's no reason why we can't make the 8 with this squad, top 4 would be pushing it but top 8 is achievable. It's up to JT to start man managing this playing group and get them mentally up for it.

 

[851]

I'm one of JT's harshest critics on this forum and I honestly think he doesn't have what it takes to be an NRL coach, but I'm ok with him being the coach in 2017, but in saying that this is put up or shut up after this year. I for one hope to see accountability in performances and see finals footy or he should be shown the door without a doubt. Some people are saying our squad isn't good enough to make the 8 regardless of who is the coach, I think that's rubbish if Titans and Panthers can make the 8 with their squads there's no reason why we can't make the 8 with this squad, top 4 would be pushing it but top 8 is achievable. It's up to JT to start man managing this playing group and get them mentally up for it.

And this has been his problem ever since he became a head coach, he doesn't know how to man manage, so I am not expecting anything new from him next year because he has not been able to do it yet.

 

[matchball]

To me it's simple. Let's give someone else a go because Taylor has been extremely poor.

This is what I don't get. We have the CEO acknowledging that Taylor has grown into the role, is happy with the 2016 performance and is now talking about extending his contract, yet your opinion is that Taylor has been "extremely poor."

Fair enough, I have full respect for differences of opinion, but you are literally at the other end of the spectrum to the person that bears the responsibility for Taylor's performance. How is that possible?

I assume because he is playing political games. I don't think anyone can honestly state that Taylor has performed well the past two years.

1\. Speaking crap about the club.
2\. Taylor Ball.
3\. The Robbie drama.
4\. No finals performances including capitulating this season with the season on the line.
5\. 2nd last on F&A in his first season. That is being nice. It was really dead last.
6\. I don't really care about this because all I care about is winning games but the defence has if anything gone backwards.

If we were using metrics to judge how he's performed it'd be a clear cut decision.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/rabbitohs/the-rabbitohs-will-use-robbie-farah-to-win-over-disenchanted-tigers-fans-in-western-sydney/news-story/2da3ff1ac6b5093174f6565b46d6a712

South Sydney plan on using Robbie Farah as bait to win over disenchanted fans in Wests Tigers territory.

Your hero is calling.

 

[Kavi]

I'm one of JT's harshest critics on this forum and I honestly think he doesn't have what it takes to be an NRL coach, but I'm ok with him being the coach in 2017, but in saying that this is put up or shut up after this year. I for one hope to see accountability in performances and see finals footy or he should be shown the door without a doubt. Some people are saying our squad isn't good enough to make the 8 regardless of who is the coach, I think that's rubbish if Titans and Panthers can make the 8 with their squads there's no reason why we can't make the 8 with this squad, top 4 would be pushing it but top 8 is achievable. It's up to JT to start man managing this playing group and get them mentally up for it.

And this has been his problem ever since he became a head coach, he doesn't know how to man manage, so I am not expecting anything new from him next year because he has not been able to do it yet.

i'm glad you are part of the coaching staff and see him interact with players…

 

[GNR4LIFE]

As soon as he came here. It was honestly like he was one of the posters that post in this forum.

If memory serves, he gave the club some home truths about how we had been a club for yrs that had relied on attack, and never tried to address defensive issues so made it his mission to correct it himself. Hasn't been successful so far, but why people continue to bag him for this is beyond comprehension. And despite what revisionists like to believe, he didn't promise or guarantee that he would correct it. He said it was his goal. Any coach worth his salt would have said the same thing.
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This is where I think you have it wrong. There is no sackable offence here. We are simply running a top sporting club within Australia. It's not like a 9-5 job where you have sackable offences. The club can extremely easily state we want to go in a different direction and Taylor should still be stoked that we gave him a chance.

You've been saying this whole thread you want him gone because of his actions over the last two yrs, regardless of what we do next yr. To me it sounds like you think his whole tenure thus far is a sackable offence.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is extended. He might also do a decent job in the role for another couple of seasons. He is a risk though and that is why I wouldn't pick him. You could state so is any other coach and I agree with that. I still think though that he hasn't done a good enough job and he has been given more than a fair go.

Any coach not named Bellamy or Bennett is a risk with our kind of roster. The coach is only part of it though, you need to have the cattle. If Taylor were to go, the next coach we get will be a risk as well as we can't afford anything else.

I think FT made a good point in another thread. The club appears to be all on the same page. Maybe for the first time in its entire existence. Whether you agree or disagree about what they are doing is one thing, but i think everyone should be happy that the club is at least unified.

 

[jirskyr]

South Sydney plan on using Robbie Farah as bait to win over disenchanted fans in Wests Tigers territory.

Your hero is calling.
Well Souths are welcome to any pea-heart supporters who would change clubs because of one player.

You would think, considering their previous woes and banning from the competition, that Souths would be more comfortable with stalwart fans that hang tough during hard times.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm one of JT's harshest critics on this forum and I honestly think he doesn't have what it takes to be an NRL coach, but I'm ok with him being the coach in 2017, but in saying that this is put up or shut up after this year. I for one hope to see accountability in performances and see finals footy or he should be shown the door without a doubt. Some people are saying our squad isn't good enough to make the 8 regardless of who is the coach, I think that's rubbish if Titans and Panthers can make the 8 with their squads there's no reason why we can't make the 8 with this squad, top 4 would be pushing it but top 8 is achievable. It's up to JT to start man managing this playing group and get them mentally up for it.

And this has been his problem ever since he became a head coach, he doesn't know how to man manage, so I am not expecting anything new from him next year because he has not been able to do it yet.

i'm glad you are part of the coaching staff and see him interact with players…

I think Tedesco, Moses and co might disagree seeing as the word around is that they're behind him. Take into account all the players who have re-signed under him. We've only lost players we have willingly let go. 2+2=4

 

[851]

I'm one of JT's harshest critics on this forum and I honestly think he doesn't have what it takes to be an NRL coach, but I'm ok with him being the coach in 2017, but in saying that this is put up or shut up after this year. I for one hope to see accountability in performances and see finals footy or he should be shown the door without a doubt. Some people are saying our squad isn't good enough to make the 8 regardless of who is the coach, I think that's rubbish if Titans and Panthers can make the 8 with their squads there's no reason why we can't make the 8 with this squad, top 4 would be pushing it but top 8 is achievable. It's up to JT to start man managing this playing group and get them mentally up for it.

And this has been his problem ever since he became a head coach, he doesn't know how to man manage, so I am not expecting anything new from him next year because he has not been able to do it yet.

i'm glad you are part of the coaching staff and see him interact with players…

I have followed his career from saint gregs to wests, norths, northern eagles, parra, then into coaching, I have seen enough to gauge an opinion, you might think otherwise, I don't.

 

[tigermac88]

I'm one of JT's harshest critics on this forum and I honestly think he doesn't have what it takes to be an NRL coach, but I'm ok with him being the coach in 2017, but in saying that this is put up or shut up after this year. I for one hope to see accountability in performances and see finals footy or he should be shown the door without a doubt. Some people are saying our squad isn't good enough to make the 8 regardless of who is the coach, I think that's rubbish if Titans and Panthers can make the 8 with their squads there's no reason why we can't make the 8 with this squad, top 4 would be pushing it but top 8 is achievable. It's up to JT to start man managing this playing group and get them mentally up for it.

And this has been his problem ever since he became a head coach, he doesn't know how to man manage, so I am not expecting anything new from him next year because he has not been able to do it yet.

i'm glad you are part of the coaching staff and see him interact with players…

I think Tedesco, Moses and co might disagree seeing as the word around is that they're behind him. Take into account all the players who have re-signed under him. We've only lost players we have willingly let go. 2+2=4

Like I said 2017 is put up or shut up for JT, he needs to get this team playing finals footy or somebody else needs to be given the chance to try and get this side playing finals footy