With the roster we had the performance was better than most on this forum ( including me) predicted pre season. Assuming we have Idris and McIlwrick in my view we still need more size in the pack and a good defensive centre as Moses defence under pressure is poor and Kev is clueless re positioning in defence. We got targeted there all year.With our cap issues these pick ups will need to be bargain basement ones, hoping to get another Tapau/Austin/ Taylor type in those positions
Jason Taylor on replacing Robbie Farah and the future of Mitch Moses and James Tedesco
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Tiger4life
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@Telltails said:
The unwavering support for JT by some is mind boggling. Its like they have to support him without question no matter what. You can still be a die hard supporter and be critical of things JT does. Bulldog supporters are fed up with hasler and he has made semis every year. Every coach is up for criticism. JT is no different. Rather than people follow Farah to souths, i reckon a few on here are so JT loyal they might follow him if he gets the punt next year.
stevetiger
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@GNR4LIFE said:
I support both the coach and the team. After reading that article though I think he should just be punted at the end of next season. He has had two really poor seasons and has created too much disruption for too little results.
I know some on here think we are a terrible team but I don't see that.
Just to clarify a point though I don't have any say if the club retains him or not. Personally I'd be looking for a replacement this year and making the decision and letting everyone know. I just think the club needs to handle things in a professional manner and we have seen enough of Taylor to judge him as not being the right option for us going forward.
GNR4LIFE
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@stevetiger said:
Why, what is so terrible about it?
Russell quote-:
I don't think I am accepting mediocrity or inconsistency - I think I am accepting a Club that is trying it's best to dig itself out of a giant hole that others put it into (i.e. people not now at the club).
*I see a board that is trying it's damnedest to get the club out of debt and to have money available to buy a few players that we need to turn the WT from a mid table club to a top four club. The fact is that we won't become that without those players.
*I see an S & C team that did an exceptional job this season to turn us from a bunch of crocs over the previous two seasons into a club with one of the shortest injury tolls in the league.
*I see a coach who is honest, hard working, liked by most players and is doing his best with what he has available. I see a coach who has been blamed for "The Farah debacle" - not saying he didn't want to get rid of this player who was disruptive and not part of the coaches plans. It would be a fact that when he announced early in the year he was gone, he would have been backed by the board. The board actually did a complete turnaround and not only didn't back him when the going got rough, but he was made to apologise in front of the whole team. He had to wear the animosity of this this but never blamed anyone else. He managed to get his way at the end of the season as he should have earlier. I see a coach who was hamstrung with the second tier salary cap - some players he wanted to select he couldn't and v v. I am sure if he didn't have to - he would not have picked Rankin as a dummy half - it was his best option at the time (and no he could not have picked Farah, he was injured, not that he would have if he was available).
*I see a coach who had a lot of youngsters that needed experience - most spent the year improving e.g. James Tedesco, Mitchell Moses, Ava Seumanufagai, Josh Aloiai, JJ Felise and Joel Edwards - to a lesser extent Kyle Lovett, David Nofoaluma and Sauaso Sue. Brooks marked time and some fell by the wayside, like Curtis Sironen.
*We had some great wins, some lucky wins, some close losses and a few thrashings - nothing we did not expect at the start of the year. The team tried - we know when you have youngsters, you have "rocks and diamonds" - that is what we got, surprise, surprise.
I am not accepting mediocrity by saying it was a reasonable season - it was, for what we achieved, with what we had. We need to do better, we all know that and I am sure that the players and coach know that as well. By saying we did ok doesn't mean we are not going to give it our all in 2017 or that we can't try and be twice as good - it is just saying - "we did better than last time, but not as good as next time."
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I don't think I am accepting mediocrity or inconsistency - I think I am accepting a Club that is trying it's best to dig itself out of a giant hole that others put it into (i.e. people not now at the club).
*I see a board that is trying it's damnedest to get the club out of debt and to have money available to buy a few players that we need to turn the WT from a mid table club to a top four club. The fact is that we won't become that without those players.
*I see an S & C team that did an exceptional job this season to turn us from a bunch of crocs over the previous two seasons into a club with one of the shortest injury tolls in the league.
*I see a coach who is honest, hard working, liked by most players and is doing his best with what he has available. I see a coach who has been blamed for "The Farah debacle" - not saying he didn't want to get rid of this player who was disruptive and not part of the coaches plans. It would be a fact that when he announced early in the year he was gone, he would have been backed by the board. The board actually did a complete turnaround and not only didn't back him when the going got rough, but he was made to apologise in front of the whole team. He had to wear the animosity of this this but never blamed anyone else. He managed to get his way at the end of the season as he should have earlier. I see a coach who was hamstrung with the second tier salary cap - some players he wanted to select he couldn't and v v. I am sure if he didn't have to - he would not have picked Rankin as a dummy half - it was his best option at the time (and no he could not have picked Farah, he was injured, not that he would have if he was available).
*I see a coach who had a lot of youngsters that needed experience - most spent the year improving e.g. James Tedesco, Mitchell Moses, Ava Seumanufagai, Josh Aloiai, JJ Felise and Joel Edwards - to a lesser extent Kyle Lovett, David Nofoaluma and Sauaso Sue. Brooks marked time and some fell by the wayside, like Curtis Sironen.
*We had some great wins, some lucky wins, some close losses and a few thrashings - nothing we did not expect at the start of the year. The team tried - we know when you have youngsters, you have "rocks and diamonds" - that is what we got, surprise, surprise.
I am not accepting mediocrity by saying it was a reasonable season - it was, for what we achieved, with what we had. We need to do better, we all know that and I am sure that the players and coach know that as well. By saying we did ok doesn't mean we are not going to give it our all in 2017 or that we can't try and be twice as good - it is just saying - "we did better than last time, but not as good as next time."
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stevetiger
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@Tiger4life said:
It's honestly bizarre. He was completely classless in his first year and basically clueless in his coaching. He improved significantly last year but he still created a whole bunch of drama around Robbie with no benefit to the club.
We've underperformed two years in a row.
GNR4LIFE
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@Tiger4life said:
As is his detractors pinning 100% of the blame on him for the Farah situation, ignoring the obvious support he had from above.
stevetiger
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@Tiger Come Lately said:
I think we need to accept reality and that is that no coach will get any team performing way beyond their ability.
This is what frustrates me with Taylor because he does the opposite. He stuffs us up. Yes he can get the team performing and I thought this year we improved a lot. Our improvement though was mostly to do with Moses improvement as a player. If we had a different coach Moses would have probably improved just as much.
If we had Wayne Bennett as coach we might have performed exactly the same as what we did this year and next year the same situation will probably occur.
I don't expect Taylor to do something special with the team we have. I just expect him to act with some class and not come up with too many dumb decisions.
Despite what a lot of posters think I think Taylor actually picks the team pretty well. Sheens would come up with great plays a lot and we played some great footy but his selections were at times terrible.
@stevetiger said:
I think your last paragraph is totally delusional.
Name a coach replacement for 2018 before 2017 season has even started - excuse me - that is not professional.
He has a contract for 2017 - IF he can improve the team during next year - HE is entitled to have his contract extended. If HE cannot (if there are no major reasons) then he should not have his contract extended. He deserves the chance. I guess you want to wheel out Cleary. Toovey, Payton etc. - all who are no better.
By the way, congratulations Steve on ceasing to fence sit. You are now an official JT hater I take it?
stevetiger
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@razor7 said:
I think we underperformed based on the squad that we have.
stevetiger
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@Russell said:
This is the way I see it. JT has been really poor over the last two seasons. I think the professional approach is to work out during the next season who will be our coach for 2018 and that it won't be Taylor.
It's not about being a Taylor hater. It's not about getting all emotional about it. It's about making the right decision based on being a professional rugby league club.
happy_tiger
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@jadtiger said:
You'd be quite entitled to change states for Artie though :smiley:
stevetiger
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@Russell said:
I never said that we should name a replacement coach now. We should be planning it now, working through the available options and announce it when it suits us.
@Russell said:
No - he is entitled to nothing at all. We don't owe him a thing.
@Russell said:
We should simply make a decision that Taylor isn't the right option and then choose from the available candidates. They might be better they might not be. We won't know until we give it a shot.
happy_tiger
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@stevetiger said:
Well if the Tigers won't rule Payten out I'll help them rule Payten out
Up here every Thursday afternoon between 5 and 6 they have a radio show called the Muster , its obviously a Cowboys show
I'm usually bringing the young fella home from footy training or driving home from work so listen to it
Payten was interviewed by Maroon and Maroon said after they talked about Payten hopes for the future and the at the time discussions about possible full time coaching gigs
"Well their is a massive difference between Cowboys country and Campbelltown isn't there "
Payten responded by saying laughingly " Yeah and that he was in no hurry to leave Townsville "
I totally agree that Todd was a warrior for this club and totally thank him for his service as a player and part of the coaching staff but to give off a derogatory laugh at your previous club …....
innsaneink
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Steve is prepared to sacrifice next year already….yet constantly bangs on about JTs stupid decisions
The irony
The irony
stevetiger
New member
^^^
Happy - you know you don't sound a very happy fella. If Payten doesn't want to coach us so be it. We could ask him and if he says no so be it. If he says yes then we just say we are looking at all our options. Let's discuss it and see how we both feel.
Happy - you know you don't sound a very happy fella. If Payten doesn't want to coach us so be it. We could ask him and if he says no so be it. If he says yes then we just say we are looking at all our options. Let's discuss it and see how we both feel.
stevetiger
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@innsaneink said:
I'm definitely not prepared to sacrifice next year. I think we can have a really good season next year.
Steve …..the whiteant
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