Jock Madden

Jedi_Tiger said:
funny Brooks has had better stats than that against souths and Parramatta but no recognition from the haters on here that being the Douhie cheer squad
Madden has stats like that against Dogs and he is praised for it haha hatred runs deep
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Look I’m not trying to hate on Madden either. He had a couple of good touches but it was pretty obvious when Hastings went off our attack fell flat. He is still a way off being a starter anywhere IMO.

People obviously can’t seperate their dislike of Brooks and it clouds their judgement of other players.
 
Bones said:
Look I’m not trying to hate on Madden either. He had a couple of good touches but it was pretty obvious when Hastings went off our attack fell flat. He is still a way off being a starter anywhere IMO.

People obviously can’t seperate their dislike of Brooks and it clouds their judgement of other players.
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Madden is still a fair way from being a first choice half. However given how he has improved, I’d expect him to be that in 2024.

The question will be, much like Simpkin, is he willing to wait that long at WT?

I hope we can keep him but we don’t have many spots in our top 30 next year. Really need to move Liddle on.
 
We are in a position a lot of clubs would love to be in, 4 quality halves competing for 2 spots, unfortunately due to other opportunities we won't be able to keep all four, ill probably ruffle a few feathers here, but I'd be holding onto brooks and madden, Hastings is a no brainer, id be shopping Douhie around, based on 2 knee reco,s he could be a liability
 
His best game for us. Not an anti-Brooks comment but looked a lot more confident and sharp paired with Hastings.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Camroux I’m not convinced will get to NRL but time will tell.

We need to be smart, play a roster for now or play for the next 3-5yrs.

Brooks has a ceiling and is going about as good as he can. Off contract after next year.

Madden hasn’t hit his ceiling and has alot of growth left, more time he gets the better he looks.

AD is also a big ? 5/8th or center.

We have options but we need to think what will get us to the finals in the next few years. Brooks I can’t see will.
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I don't see it with Madden. I just don't think he's a threat. Kicking poor, passing ordinary, does not worry the defence.

Yeah he scored off a chip but that's a 1/100 solo play requiring only a good bounce, not 80 mins of game mgmt.

I am not convinced we have seen Brooks' ceiling. If we can all agree that Hastings is a good organiser and ideal #7 for us, he and Brooks have only played together 6 times, including the first few rounds where they needed time to gel. With Hastings at #7, only starting 6 rounds ago, we've won 3/6, with Brooks at #6 for two of those against higher-ranked sides.

I think Brooks should be afforded a proper run of finally having a decent reliable halves partner. Brooks has never been a game manager / organiser / team-calmer type, nor is he a natural leader, but now we have that guy (Hastings) who can play that role, and allow Brooks to do what he does best - threaten the line and produce unpredictable play.

Madden on the other hand, for me, only offers a cut-price version of what Hastings already does. I don't think you really want two similar "game manager" type players.

I hope Jock proves me wrong, and maybe it is just a matter of time and persistence. It did seem, from Madge's reaction in the press conference, that he likes Jock and wants him to be part of the side.
 
Bones said:
Maddens stats from last night.

1 Try
9 runs for 59m (5 pcm)
1 LB assist
15 tackles 1 miss
0 tackle breaks
0 line breaks
0 repeat sets

You’d be spraying Brooks for that performance.
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Demps, Hobbo, Spartan et al would be spraying him anyway even if he played well and was on significantly less than the gestimates thrown about on the forum by the Brooks' posse.
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
funny Brooks has had better stats than that against souths and Parramatta but no recognition from the haters on here that being the Douhie cheer squad
Madden has stats like that against Dogs and he is praised for it haha hatred runs deep
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Jedi I always appreciate your input in discussions,we all have differing opinions on many subjects...
Lets look at this as it should be looked at....
Brooks ...highly paid halfback with 180 NRL games..he should have great stats each week..
Douhie....praised for being great 5/8 and is known as the KING...still on the sidelines after second knee reconstruction...
Madden ROOKIE playmaker filling in as 3rd string 8/9 NRL games...his stats are brilliant,but is learning and improving every week....therein lies the big difference between the 3 players....
 
TrueTiger said:
Jedi I always appreciate your input in discussions,we all have differing opinions on many subjects...
Lets look at this as it should be looked at....
Brooks ...highly paid halfback with 180 NRL games..he should have great stats each week..
Douhie....praised for being great 5/8 and is known as the KING...still on the sidelines after second knee reconstruction...
Madden ROOKIE playmaker filling in as 3rd string 8/9 NRL games...his stats are brilliant,but is learning and improving every week....therein lies the big difference between the 3 players....
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if Brooks takes a haircut you keep him to partner Hastings, the guy is a running 6 with speed
Douhie I think is a ball playing lock in the team if he can get through some defence he is our Isaiah Yeo
 
jirskyr said:
Madden on the other hand, for me, only offers a cut-price version of what Hastings already does. I don't think you really want two similar "game manager" type players.
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I agree with this. I think the right decision for Madden is to leave. I reckon it's our loss but maybe it's just not the right time for Madden here.

He has impressed me though. Same as Tupou. Two players I didn't think had anything.
 
Bones said:
Look I’m not trying to hate on Madden either. He had a couple of good touches but it was pretty obvious when Hastings went off our attack fell flat. He is still a way off being a starter anywhere IMO.

People obviously can’t seperate their dislike of Brooks and it clouds their judgement of other players.
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Same thing happens to Brooks when Hastings is not there.

People obviously can’t seperate their love of Brooks and it clouds their judgement of other players.
 
The fact that people in this forum are still willing to give Brooks a chance after 8 years, with this fairy tale reason that he's never had a proper run cause of miscoaching, is absolutely mental. If he was good enough, he would have proven himself already. It would have been OBVIOUS where to play him. But since he's average and ineffective, cannot kick and barely dents the line, no one has ever known what to do with him because there isn't anything you can do. He's just not that good. The moment this club lets him go of Brooks will be one of the most important days in the clubs history.

Also for the Brooks fans: Madden and Brooks are both average. Madden is Brooks 2.0. Our best halves are Doueihi and Hastings. It's so obvious.
 
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