Joe Ofahengaue #240

[rah53]

Who’s going to mow the bloody grass at Leichhardt Oval now ?

Benji. He's still looking for a job in footy.

 

[JC99]

This has been a better off season than I was expecting.

I mentioned the other day that it’s been as entertaining as the regular season. The only issue is that I’ve got my hopes up..

Me too, I think we are a genuine shot at the 8.

there's still a lot of what ifs that surround this squad. what if Leilua and Roberts don't have their hearts in it. what if Brooks has another below par season. what if Liddle doesn't fill the void Harry left. what if Joffa plays like he did last season. what if Musgrove gets injured again and Stefano doesn't kick on. what if Tamou plays like he's already thinking about retirement.

our season at this stage is completely unknown. I do hope that everything clicks into place, but we won't know until the first 6 weeks of the competition and we've played against some decent sides.

I’m with you, if they all play their best we will make the 8 but I feel like that’s not very likely. So hard to tell whether Brooks, Roberts and Joffa will find form again and if our other boys will continue to improve

Js, Brooks played some of his best footy when he had speedy backs outside of him (Simona, Teddy etc). If he’s to recapture any sort of form, it will probably be because of roberts speed

That’s if Roberts can make it on the field and play well. A lot of people seem to think it’ll happen but it’s not that likely I feel. Would be great though we could use the pace out there

Brooksy finished the season well had a good couple games. Hopefully behind a stronger forward pack he can go alright, no excuses for him.

 

[watersider]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

 

[cochise]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good result. Will be even better if Manly's compensation gets Laurie over here quicker.

Wouldn't we just send a pic of Pucker , Maybe and Reynolds to Iv ....surely that is compensation enough

 

[watersider]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

I feel like the rules are pretty clear, we just need to be able to insist that players stick to them. If they don't then they won't get paid and they won't be able to play. I don't think we need to look to the NRL to improve this.

 

[cochise]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

I feel like the rules are pretty clear, we just need to be able to insist that players stick to them. If they don't then they won't get paid and they won't be able to play. I don't think we need to look to the NRL to improve this.

Rubbish, this area is a mess, players should not be able to agitate for a release because they were offered a larger contract elsewhere. It is also really poor to have players signing contracts 16 months before they can play for a team.

 

[Speed2burn]

This has been a better off season than I was expecting.

I mentioned the other day that it’s been as entertaining as the regular season. The only issue is that I’ve got my hopes up..

Me too, I think we are a genuine shot at the 8.

there's still a lot of what ifs that surround this squad. what if Leilua and Roberts don't have their hearts in it. what if Brooks has another below par season. what if Liddle doesn't fill the void Harry left. what if Joffa plays like he did last season. what if Musgrove gets injured again and Stefano doesn't kick on. what if Tamou plays like he's already thinking about retirement.

our season at this stage is completely unknown. I do hope that everything clicks into place, but we won't know until the first 6 weeks of the competition and we've played against some decent sides.

I’m with you, if they all play their best we will make the 8 but I feel like that’s not very likely. So hard to tell whether Brooks, Roberts and Joffa will find form again and if our other boys will continue to improve

Js, Brooks played some of his best footy when he had speedy backs outside of him (Simona, Teddy etc). If he’s to recapture any sort of form, it will probably be because of roberts speed

That’s if Roberts can make it on the field and play well. A lot of people seem to think it’ll happen but it’s not that likely I feel. Would be great though we could use the pace out there

Brooksy finished the season well had a good couple games. Hopefully behind a stronger forward pack he can go alright, no excuses for him.

I have a feeling Roberts will be fine. He was injured majority of this year, but honestly the games he played he was pretty decent in

 

[Tiger5150]

We had a chance here to stand up to these players, and instead we caved.

I genuinely don't understand why people think this. The Tigers said they weren't going to just release Aloiai without a replacement. Such a replacement became available, and they were able to use the cash they were going to spend on Aloiai to secure him.

Pick an option:
A) Stick Aloiai in reserves and don't replace him on the first grade roster, to make a point that we won't be pushed around.
B) Stick Aloiai in reserves and sign another prop, using money that could have been used to strengthen the squad elsewhere.
C) Decline to release Aloiai until a suitable replacement can be found, find one, sign him and then release Aloiai to free up cap space for said signing - thus making a like-for-like swap.

You're totally welcome to believe Ofahengaue isn't a good replacement for Aloiai. You might be right. But if the club thinks he is, using Aloiai's money to get him is clearly the best outcome for the 2021 roster.

Joe O is not a replacement for Aloiai. There was plenty of room and funds for both. I don't watch Broncos except for when we play them, so I don't know much about our new player. I'm hoping for good things though.

Gaining Joe and losing Josh are two unrelated events.

The problem here is we said we would not release Josh A unless we received a financial advantage. That was a very public statement. And now WT have said we received a payment for Josh A (good to hear) but we're not disclosing how much, WT just wants us to trust them. Maybe it was a high enough amount, and really if the figure was publicised, only WT are in a position to adequately judge whether the figure meets their criteria or not for it being a 'good enough' amount.

It is just very unfortunate that there was no deterrent for players stitching us up again. And a lot of us said this last time with Matterson. So who's next? Nofa? Twal? Mikaele? Talau? Liddle? I'm guessing it's more than one next time. Wonder how that will go down.


Seriously all the *****"WAH WAH WAH we want to know how much"***** rubbish so self centred and ridiculous. There are MANY commercial reasons not to disclose even not considering the obvious contractual ones. Maybe Manly dont want it disclosed or as POM alluded to earlier, if we are using that money as an enticement for Penrith to let Laurie go early, why the hell would you let them know how much we got? Would totally destroy any negotiations.

I am pretty fed up with how people read something and interpret it how they want. I didn't say I want to know how much, I never did. I even said, only WT could judge on whatever the amount was as to it's worth.

I have said on here repeatedly that this all about making a stand to prevent players trying it on us in the future. We even had some players for crying out loud apparently backing Josh A's comments on social media, that's certainly not a good sign for our future.

I'll be clear, I don't care how much we received in compensation, I don't want to know. It was all about trying to discourage players from trying us again in the future, and in that we failed. Maybe we'll do better next time, because I guarantee you there'll be a next time now.

If the club comes out and says it was $1 or $1M, what difference does it make to a player? How would it discourage anyone whatever the amount there was a club prepared to pay it, much like the Tigers will try to do at Penrith for Laurie.

It’s not coming out of the players pocket

 

[clontarfkid]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

Nrl are currently in discussions with Easts,Souths and Roosters rite now to determine whether contract enforcement was in their favor...and as theyre all stacked with imports we'll leave the status quo excatly as it is

 

[cochise]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

Nrl are currently in discussions with Easts,Souths and Roosters rite now to determine whether contract enforcement was in their favor...and as theyre all stacked with imports we'll leave the status quo excatly as it is

Great constructive reply.

 

[AJ1]

We’ve given up Aloiai and Sam Mac for Tamou and Joe Offa. That is a big win imo.

And Jennings for Roberts

 

[avocadoontoast]

We’ve given up Aloiai and Sam Mac for Tamou and Joe Offa. That is a big win imo.

And Jennings for Roberts

Jennings for Roberts is so good it feels like a dream.

 

[mikey]

I think sooner or later time a sincere apology from JA to the mighty WT will happen.

doubt it.....the man proved his worth with his actions

Even if he did apologise you'd never think it was genuine... made from the same mould as Doesntmatterson. Probably be a mid-season reveal in the drunk's column of how we mistreated him.

 

[clontarfkid]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

Nrl are currently in discussions with Easts,Souths and Roosters rite now to determine whether contract enforcement was in their favor...and as theyre all stacked with imports we'll leave the status quo excatly as it is

Great constructive reply.

.. a sense of humor always welcome on Forum!Nothing we say aint gonna change too much

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think sooner or later time a sincere apology from JA to the mighty WT will happen.

doubt it.....the man proved his worth with his actions

Even if he did apologise you'd never think it was genuine... made from the same mould as Doesntmatterson. Probably be a mid-season reveal in the drunk's column of how we mistreated him.

Matterson apologised. Doesn’t change anything. If anything, it enrages you even more because it comes across as patronising.

 

[crazycat]

Just one thing.

I still dont understand how us hiring Joe Ofangue allows us to release Aloiai to Manly?

People say its a player swap. So we let Aloiai goto Manly and we get a player from Brisbane.
Its like having one kid steal a good card off you then another kid gives you a better card...
How is that a swap?

 

[Geo]

Just one thing.

I still dont understand how us hiring Joe Ofangue allows us to release Aloiai to Manly?

People say its a player swap. So we let Aloiai goto Manly and we get a player from Brisbane.
Its like having one kid steal a good card off you then another kid gives you a better card...
How is that a swap?

It's not

Aloiai was released to Manly for an undisclosed fee

Ofahegaue was signed by Wests Tigers...

Simple really

 

[Telltails]

Just one thing.

I still dont understand how us hiring Joe Ofangue allows us to release Aloiai to Manly?

People say its a player swap. So we let Aloiai goto Manly and we get a player from Brisbane.
Its like having one kid steal a good card off you then another kid gives you a better card...
How is that a swap?

It was never a swap it was about finding a replacement before releasing Aloiai. Manly didn't have any intention of offering a swap they were trying to strengthen their pack and made an offer that was too good to refuse and agitated the situation.

 

[tiger_one]

Just one thing.

I still dont understand how us hiring Joe Ofangue allows us to release Aloiai to Manly?

People say its a player swap. So we let Aloiai goto Manly and we get a player from Brisbane.
Its like having one kid steal a good card off you then another kid gives you a better card...
How is that a swap?

It's not

Aloiai was released to Manly for an undisclosed fee

Ofahegaue was signed by Wests Tigers...

Simple really

And Wests Tigers received some $$$ contribution towards Ofahegaue's salary for the next 2 years, and Wests Tigers also received separate $$$ compensation from Manly for allowing Aloiai to leave early.

Good business.