John Bateman #268

[happy_tiger]

His Wigan club form …. not needed.
His England performances so far ….. yes …. but get real no way we would be paying $750k. Where did you pull that figure from?

Well he was on around 500 k when he went to Wigan for a higher figure

When you add WS Tax (Wooden spoon Tax for the unknowing ) and then the WT Tax (thats the killer )

700-750 k sounds about right ...don't you think ??

What number do you think ??

 

[Needaname]

Is this official yet?
I thought individual player threads were opened up once a signing is confirmed.
Imagine my surprise to still find the same old chitter about the same old chatter..

 

[Halbrowne61]

Well he was on around 500 k when he went to Wigan for a higher figure

When you add WS Tax (Wooden spoon Tax for the unknowing ) and then the WT Tax (thats the killer )

700-750 k sounds about right ...don't you think ??

What number do you think ??

Geez that’s a lot of freight for him. Personally would use the money elsewhere.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Well he was on around 500 k when he went to Wigan for a higher figure

When you add WS Tax (Wooden spoon Tax for the unknowing ) and then the WT Tax (thats the killer )

700-750 k sounds about right ...don't you think ??

What number do you think ??

$500k plus Wigan transfer fee max

 

[happy_tiger]

Geez that’s a lot of freight for him. Personally would use the money elsewhere.

So would I .....

 

[happy_tiger]

$500k plus Wigan transfer fee max

I'm telling you what I think he will want .....I doubt he gets it ....but Sheens has paid overs for players before .....no one is really managing Sheens spending bar Sheens ......I haven't heard anyone being appointed in a role replacing Sheens himself .....but Lee H thinks he is the Messiah re-incarnated ....

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

$500k plus Wigan transfer fee max

I think Bateman will cost 700k minimum plus the 250k transfer fee. Worth it him and papali will go well together

 

[Merlot]

3yrs for Bateman is a year n a half to long

 

[hsvjones]

The current culture of the club is we are an absolute joke. we got the spoon and no 1 takes us seriously. As soon as things go against us we give up and throw in the towel in (often before the kick off) .we have young players with talent but we lack older experienced players who know what it takes to compete at the top level week in week out and win.

Who to blame is a hard 1 it’s a combination of a lot of things ivan takes alot of the blame here he screwed our club in alot of ways

Then Madge tried to fix it but the cap was to messed up for him to be able to do anything significant and by the time he had money to spend every 1 was over his tough training

And Pascoe has to shoulder some of the blame he has over seen all this for far to long and he has approved us releasing our best players of the year for previous last 3 years

And I blame the media aswell

The only man who seems to get any respect from the media is Tim sheens he puts them in there place and knows how to play the game

Spot on mate...
We could buy Slater, Smith and Cronk in there prime and people on here would be spraying negative rubbish.. You cannot win.
Sheen clearly knows we need experience players to lead and develop all these young ones but everyone he seems to be looking at is too old, too small, bad past, doesn't make enough meters to most on here but if they checked out this years team anyone is an upgrade.
Sheen's has let every player go that should go and looking to add talent. If he pulls the Klemmer, Bateman , and Moses rumours off he deserves a statue out the front..
We are 100% on the way up IMO and the culture will change for the better

 

[Tim Sheens]

Bateman, don't want him unless he is able to bring his earlier NRL form with him. The club lacks some experience, but not worth overpaying greatly for it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

How many alter egos do you choose from?

 

[TrueTiger]

Spot on mate...
We could buy Slater, Smith and Cronk in there prime and people on here would be spraying negative rubbish.. You cannot win.
Sheen clearly knows we need experience players to lead and develop all these young ones but everyone he seems to be looking at is too old, too small, bad past, doesn't make enough meters to most on here but if they checked out this years team anyone is an upgrade.
Sheen's has let every player go that should go and looking to add talent. If he pulls the Klemmer, Bateman , and Moses rumours off he deserves a statue out the front..
We are 100% on the way up IMO and the culture will change for the better

And if we end up 100% on the way down again with poor recruitment,we end up in the same culture swamp we have been in the last 10 years...
Im not sure Sheens,Benji Farah are the answer,but its the clubs decision and we have to run with it and HOPE like hell it works...

 

[Merlot]

How many alter egos do you choose from?

depends who is on a holiday,i luv em all

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Any 1 who thinks he was been greedy and treated Canberra poorly go and listen to his podcasts on bloke in a bar. The media made him out to be a monster but he really wasn’t

James Hooper aka 'The Bald Flog' wrote so many hit pieces on him.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Apparently transfer fees aren't included in the salary cap. Take what you want from that.

 

[CloudyGlock]

Apparently transfer fees aren't included in the salary cap. Take what you want from that.

ummm......that the player doesnt get the money and it's not part of the salary?

 

[happy_tiger]

ummm......that the player doesnt get the money and it's not part of the salary?

Wigan get the money ..same thing happens in the EPL as well

 

[CloudyGlock]

Wigan get the money ..same thing happens in the EPL as well

Correct, so why should it count in the salary cap?

 

[Odessa]

Correct, so why should it count in the salary cap?

Have the Tigers got anyone good lineup to play in 23 that's not been made public you don't even have to mention names just some one ?

 

[jirskyr]

Would you agree that the junior talent we had at our disposal from 2005 -2012 is eons better than we currently have

Marshall
Farah
Lawrence
Lui
Fifita
Woods
Tedesco
Dwyer
Halatau
Moltzen

And if we learnt anything from those years ...talent attracts talent ......Keefy ...Tuqiri ....Ellis ....Morris .....Hodgson .....Blair......

Well it's an interesting question Happy, because much of the talent you have listed here did not become available to Sheens until well into his Tigers tenure. You are talking here about players that became available over the course of his full 10 years, many of those you named not before 2009.

In 2003 we already had Benji, Farah, Gibbs, Fulton, Halatau and Laffranchi in the system. What Sheens did was correctly recruit around that core talent; which ultimately ended up being a generational pool of talent.

So if it's a question of "does Sheens in 2023 have the same kind of junior talent that he had available in 2003", the answer is no. Bearing in mind that the 2003 juniors were uncommonly good, it's a young team next year, and although he has some decent young blokes with experience (To'a, AJ, Simpkin, Junior Tupou, Daine Laurie, Tommy Talau, Blore), none of them have yet shown to be a next-level talent. Adam Doueihi is only 24.

Probably the best young talent Sheens has available in 2023 is Stefano and Fonua Pole.

Interestingly then, the next prominent names I hear in the juniors are also forwards: Matamua, Rua, Tumeth, Ma'anaima, Felix Smith, Chris Faagutu. We don't seem to have that next prominent back or half, which is problematic.

But will Sheens have some top-tier juniors available to hand over to Benji in 2025? The answer might well be yes. With that all-conquering Wests Harold Matts side Tigers have a similar successful core group (like 2003) that could produce 3 or 4 quality first graders, e.g. Tallyn Da Silva, Jordan Miller etc. After that some highly regarded talent the grade below - the Large brothers, Ali Karnib, Isdale.

So don't get me wrong, I had lots of issues with Sheens' tactics last time around, and his modest success at Wests Tigers is only remarkable (finals 3/10 seasons) compared to the crushing lack of success to follow him.

BUT in terms of overall roster development, smart experienced signings and hanging on to the best juniors, we haven't had anyone better than Sheens.