OFFICIAL Jordan Miller #289

[Tucker]

We get 10 sick days PA. 7 hour work day, and salaried, not wages. 4 weeks AL. Mandated leave.
Teaching is not what it was even 20 years ago, and is certainly not a respected profession.
I've just had 6 months off caring for my husband, but had initially planned to take 10 weeks LSL, to try and get my mental health sorted, but, nope. I'm back at work, feeling physically ill, knowing the classes I have today and the level of violence and abuse I'll have to cop, from the kids, let alone the parents! And I teach in a good, rural school.

Is the mandated leave compensated? i.e. if you use your 4 weeks during the Summer break, is the extra 2 weeks during this break + the 2 weeks at the end of term 1, 2 and 3 leave without pay?
Like I said, I couldnt be a teacher. I dont have the patience. There is no justification in the world for people to recieve violence and abuse at work unless you are a professional fighter. Im sorry to hear you are going through that.

 

[Buttface]

You two idiots eg tucker and buttface are probably hoping he fails next year just to prove your right .have you ever posted anything positive.

Hey how’d I get dragged into being an idiot like @Tucker? 🤭🤣🤭🤣🤣🤣
He is not a fan of Butts. He must be a tit man.
My only post in this thread since June was “why not both”?
or are you offended by @Tucker’s joke he made about teachers being lazy, and I liked it bcoz I got that it was a joke, and a smartass comment to your smartass question of “what’s this got to do with Miller?”
Were you to lazy to go back a few posts and read the convo, you’re lazier than teachers and Miller put together. (That’s a joke btw).
It’s ok ol’ dig, there a dementia clinic around the corner, I’ll come and pick you up in 5mins, so your Mrs can have a day off.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

In all large corporations the biggest bum kissers get to the top because the upper echelons always want to hear from people that agree with them and not people who challenge their views.Independant thinking is usually frowned upon at best or suppressed at worst

It doesn't always work. Sgt Barnes still sends out Sgt O'Neill's section despite his best attempts to curry favour. Tom Berenger's portrayal of Sgt Barnes and William Dafoe's of Sgt Elias are two excellent performances.

 

[supercoach]

My wife was a senior maths teacher for 30 years and put massive hours in. Would be out the door at 0630 never home before 6pm and then at the desk of pain till 11pm marking and setting papers. During holidays nothing much changed. She always said the rewards of teaching out weighted the long hours, and she was not talking money rather the satisfaction in seeing kids reach there potential and beyond

 

[Lestronge]

I'm a teacher.

And you're right; very well compensated and the holidays are a good aspect to the job. Though we do have a very finite number of sick days, 10 per year.

Problem is, most of us don't take them as there's very few relief teachers available.

The job has its challenges like any other, but you'll go a long way to find an industry that whinges more about what they don't have...

...and thats coming from a teacher.

There are far too many that take themselves too seriously in the job and forget how good they have it.

That said, 99% of administration and management in education are the biggest sack of circle-jerking, untalented yes-men/women you'll ever find.

As a parent … it’s refreshing to read this stuff . As too often you sit with these people and you feel like you’re the living manifestation of a conflict management flow chart .
It’s depressing , because they’re saying all the right things but it couldn’t be anymore disingenuous, so your bullshit meter is redlining .
You leave these meetings knowing anything that was raised will only get actioned if it directly affects the teacher / principal / deputy etc. ie. there’s potential blowback .
Corporate Jargon and speech and such a minefield , and at times you need a code breaking book to decipher what’s really being said . And the sad thing is , we are talking about kids and thier education . Not profit margins in a Fortune 500 company .

 

[Aceshigh]

I'm a teacher.

And you're right; very well compensated and the holidays are a good aspect to the job. Though we do have a very finite number of sick days, 10 per year.

Problem is, most of us don't take them as there's very few relief teachers available.

The job has its challenges like any other, but you'll go a long way to find an industry that whinges more about what they don't have...

...and thats coming from a teacher.

There are far too many that take themselves too seriously in the job and forget how good they have it.

That said, 99% of administration and management in education are the biggest sack of circle-jerking, untalented yes-men/women you'll ever find.

What about the new age parenting and the fact some of these children want to identify as neither boy or girl and encouraged by the parents , have you come across this one ?

 

[Suzie-Q]

Is the mandated leave compensated? i.e. if you use your 4 weeks during the Summer break, is the extra 2 weeks during this break + the 2 weeks at the end of term 1, 2 and 3 leave without pay?
Like I said, I couldnt be a teacher. I dont have the patience. There is no justification in the world for people to recieve violence and abuse at work unless you are a professional fighter. Im sorry to hear you are going through that.

In NSW public education, the 3 x 2 week breaks are 1 week as WFH and 1 as time in lieu to compensate for OT/unpaid work during the term (parent/teacher interviews, PD, excursions, etc)

I absolutely love my job, and there are many more great kids than not, but it is exhausting dealing with unacceptable behaviour 🫤

 

[Kelce68]

As a parent … it’s refreshing to read this stuff . As too often you sit with these people and you feel like you’re the living manifestation of a conflict management flow chart .
It’s depressing , because they’re saying all the right things but it couldn’t be anymore disingenuous, so your bullshit meter is redlining .
You leave these meetings knowing anything that was raised will only get actioned if it directly affects the teacher / principal / deputy etc. ie. there’s potential blowback .
Corporate Jargon and speech and such a minefield , and at times you need a code breaking book to decipher what’s really being said . And the sad thing is , we are talking about kids and thier education . Not profit margins in a Fortune 500 company .

Exactly mate.

The system is as clogged with bureaucrats and labyrinth-style policy platforms as the government itself. These leave everyone below at the school level feeling beholden to ridiculous, impersonal systems that counts children, staff and parents with a bean counter, not with a personal touch.

They've created a system where many teachers, deputies and principals feel forced into 'playing the game', lest they be outcast from career progression of ANY sort. Even worse, at the teacher level they can transfer you on whim if you don't toe the company line. It's an unmitigated and utter disgrace.

Sadly, approaches to education like I'm trying to convey are the exception, not the rule.

One of my biggest disappointments is the flaccidness of the Union. They beat their chest and carry on about bullshit like 4% pay increases, yet shit that actually matters, like individual student outcomes, teacher-led autonomy and the likes are ignored. They're as bad as the department themselves.

The whole system, like most gvmt departments, need a complete overhaul, top to bottom. But there's Buckley's chance of that happening organically, with the only way I see any hope of change is with public pressure.

 

[Kelce68]

What about the new age parenting and the fact some of these children want to identify as neither boy or girl and encouraged by the parents , have you come across this one ?

The transgender stuff hasn't reared it's head here.... yet. Thank god for that.

But we do see a lot of 'softer' parenting approaches more broadly and that often comes with an abrupt wakeup call and adjustment for the children who have never been taught basic concepts like accountability, responsibility and empathy.

Just part of the battle mate.

 

[Nadz4483]

It doesn't always work. Sgt Barnes still sends out Sgt O'Neill's section despite his best attempts to curry favour. Tom Berenger's portrayal of Sgt Barnes and William Dafoe's of Sgt Elias are two excellent performances.

In my top 5 war movies.... Love it...

 

[innsaneink]

Not to be the ''back in my day'' type of bloke, but when I was a kid there were repercussions for bad/violent behaviour, teachers could cane you ( i copped plenty)
cops wouldgive you a flogging instead of tieing up the court system, and your old man would do the same.
I often thought when my son was in primary school how I;d react to hearing he'd been caned...I was glad it doesnt happen these days
But there does seem to be a bit of a lack of respect for authority figures these days, I dont know exactly how much but people see one or two bad apples, internet vids or clickbait TV like ACA and they assume all young people are like those portrayed which is unfair as theres way more good young people about, its just bad news makes headlines

 

[Nadz4483]

Not to be the ''back in my day'' type of bloke, but when I was a kid there were repercussions for bad/violent behaviour, teachers could cane you ( i copped plenty)
cops wouldgive you a flogging instead of tieing up the court system, and your old man would do the same.
I often thought when my son was in primary school how I;d react to hearing he'd been caned...I was glad it doesnt happen these days
But there does seem to be a bit of a lack of respect for authority figures these days, I dont know exactly how much but people see one or two bad apples, internet vids or clickbait TV like ACA and they assume all young people are like those portrayed which is unfair as theres way more good young people about, its just bad news makes headlines

Problem is, kids that were caned 40 years ago, are now coming out and suing the system....

 

[Lestronge]

Exactly mate.

The system is as clogged with bureaucrats and labyrinth-style policy platforms as the government itself. These leave everyone below at the school level feeling beholden to ridiculous, impersonal systems that counts children, staff and parents with a bean counter, not with a personal touch.

They've created a system where many teachers, deputies and principals feel forced into 'playing the game', lest they be outcast from career progression of ANY sort. Even worse, at the teacher level they can transfer you on whim if you don't toe the company line. It's an unmitigated and utter disgrace.

Sadly, approaches to education like I'm trying to convey are the exception, not the rule.

One of my biggest disappointments is the flaccidness of the Union. They beat their chest and carry on about bullshit like 4% pay increases, yet shit that actually matters, like individual student outcomes, teacher-led autonomy and the likes are ignored. They're as bad as the department themselves.

The whole system, like most gvmt departments, need a complete overhaul, top to bottom. But there's Buckley's chance of that happening organically, with the only way I see any hope of change is with public pressure.

lol Playing the game … argh !!! What game ? , is there a ball ? Are using bats ? Is it chess ? Is there a board involved ? Cards ? lol that saying right there ….if ever there was a saying that sums up breaking a man’s spirit it’s “play the game “

 

[tigertragic]

Not to be the ''back in my day'' type of bloke, but when I was a kid there were repercussions for bad/violent behaviour, teachers could cane you ( i copped plenty)
cops wouldgive you a flogging instead of tieing up the court system, and your old man would do the same.
I often thought when my son was in primary school how I;d react to hearing he'd been caned...I was glad it doesnt happen these days
But there does seem to be a bit of a lack of respect for authority figures these days, I dont know exactly how much but people see one or two bad apples, internet vids or clickbait TV like ACA and they assume all young people are like those portrayed which is unfair as theres way more good young people about, its just bad news makes headlines

Unfortunately as with all changes the matters are adjusted to the opposite direction because the minority get the biggest say and we end up with what we have today
Cane-cuddle
Arrest-warn
Kids running lawless - slap on the wrist and out on parole (multiple times)
It didn’t happen in ‘back in my day’ because there were consequences that meant something and the parents actually undertook or supported the consequences
Rant over, now back to the crossword in retirement

 

[Kelce68]

lol Playing the game … argh !!! What game ? , is there a ball ? Are using bats ? Is it chess ? Is there a board involved ? Cards ? lol that saying right there ….if ever there was a saying that sums up breaking a man’s spirit it’s “play the game “

Correct.

It's a bogged-down, swampy, rubbish system that needs the lid blown off it and the middle and upper management types promoting it, shot into orbit.

 

[Kelce68]

Not to be the ''back in my day'' type of bloke, but when I was a kid there were repercussions for bad/violent behaviour, teachers could cane you ( i copped plenty)
cops wouldgive you a flogging instead of tieing up the court system, and your old man would do the same.
I often thought when my son was in primary school how I;d react to hearing he'd been caned...I was glad it doesnt happen these days
But there does seem to be a bit of a lack of respect for authority figures these days, I dont know exactly how much but people see one or two bad apples, internet vids or clickbait TV like ACA and they assume all young people are like those portrayed which is unfair as theres way more good young people about, its just bad news makes headlines

It's just a retrospective, pendulum adjustment mate.

We're in an era of soft approaches galore. Which, to be fair, is probably an overall better approach than just belting everyone.

But, like everything, there needs to be a balance. One of the major problems is that the new-age discipline types, stereotypically, lean too hard into the context and understanding angle and forget to simultaneously promote concepts such as accountability, responsibility, duty or resilience.

It'll swing back at some point, though, like a pendulum, probably not to the same heights it did before, i.e. corporal punishment.

 

[Kelce68]

FYI-

This is a great discussion and one that should continue, but I'm aware we're clogging up the Miller thread, so apologies for my involvement in that.

Cheers.

 

[just old magpie]

FYI-

This is a great discussion and one that should continue, but I'm aware we're clogging up the Miller thread, so apologies for my involvement in that.

Cheers.

Anybody know is Miller the one to lose his contract nothing on the website

 

[upthetigers]

We get 10 sick days PA. 7 hour work day, and salaried, not wages. 4 weeks AL. Mandated leave.
Teaching is not what it was even 20 years ago, and is certainly not a respected profession.
I've just had 6 months off caring for my husband, but had initially planned to take 10 weeks LSL, to try and get my mental health sorted, but, nope. I'm back at work, feeling physically ill, knowing the classes I have today and the level of violence and abuse I'll have to cop, from the kids, let alone the parents! And I teach in a good, rural school.

School kids have no respect these days due to bad parenting. Hope your mental health and work life improves Suzie. Better days ahead.

 

[just old magpie]

School kids have no respect these days due to bad parenting. Hope your mental health and work life improves Suzie. Better days ahead.

Suzie aren't you supposed to stick to the subject isn't this the Jordan Miller thread.