Josh Reynolds

[Tiger5150]

Since one side of this argument is - "see! You jumped the gun on hearsay" and the other side is "now you're jumping the gun on hearsay", and both are correct, can I ask what anyone actually hopes to gain by having this discussion on a forum?


More than one thing can be true at once.

I said that

I agree and understand, but I would add that even more things could be right than you commented on. Im getting obscure, lets leave it there

 

[Tim Sheens]

Where are all the White Knights now?

Took a while to collect my wayward steed, but saddled and meshed up with sword in hand arriving now.

Seriously though, I don't think I have stated anything that I would need to take back on this issue, as there were not enough facts to form a proper opinion.

 

[WT2K]

BREAKING: Court agrees to expedite assault charges against JOSH REYNOLDS: “I'm happy the matter has been brought forward to prove my innocence."
RE NRL clearing Reynolds to play Reynolds .."If they are supporting me I'm happy with that decision " @10NewsFirstSyd @10Daily
https://twitter.com/SteveHart10News/status/1225580020195889153?s=19

 

[balmain boy]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

It's not quite hearsay when your own parents are backing up everybody's sentiments, but even if you ignore that, there are likely documents including medical that back those up. Obviously we don't know that 100% for sure, but it really sounds like these do exist and will be presented in court. Let's wait and see..

Again, those accusations have nothing to do whether or not she was assaulted.

Actually they do. What proof is there that she was assaulted in the first place? Having a long history of deception and fraud makes her claim of assault less credible.

 

[hobbo1]

I’m just glad he’s been cleared to play ..
Especially now that the Harry Grant ship looks like it’s been torpedoed ..

 

[Furious1]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

It's not quite hearsay when your own parents are backing up everybody's sentiments, but even if you ignore that, there are likely documents including medical that back those up. Obviously we don't know that 100% for sure, but it really sounds like these do exist and will be presented in court. Let's wait and see..

Again, those accusations have nothing to do whether or not she was assaulted.

Of course those accusations have something to do with it. **Allegedly**, she is a known liar, manipulator, and fraud. **If** these things are true then it destroys her credibilty when making claims against another person who strenuously denies it. Thats not to say Reynolds is innocent, but if all she has is her word against his and a bruise that could have been caused by anything including self inflicted then it would be very hard to convict someone of assault. Maybe there is more video evidence of assault that hasn't been made public. I guess thats why we have Magistrates.

On a side note, i want Reynolds off the books as much as anyone, but i want it for the right reasons, not some grubby tactics to be able to terminate his contract, so applaud the club for the stance they have taken.

 

[happy_tiger]

Where can you watch or see the article ??

 

[Red88_Tiger]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

It's not quite hearsay when your own parents are backing up everybody's sentiments, but even if you ignore that, there are likely documents including medical that back those up. Obviously we don't know that 100% for sure, but it really sounds like these do exist and will be presented in court. Let's wait and see..

Again, those accusations have nothing to do whether or not she was assaulted.

Laid bare that is the question that evaluate the charges at hand. Would be curious to know to what level. Did he belt her out of anger or grab her by the arm and escort her out of the house.
Characterisation and assumption either side of the argument is all there is until courts decide

 

[The_Patriot]

Thankfully he has been cleared to play.

 

[Furious1]

Where can you watch or see the article ??

David Riccio and Danielle Gusmaroli, The Daily Telegraph

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NRL star Josh Reynolds will claim he is the subject of a stunning and calculated deceit attempt by his ex-girlfriend who deliberately faked multiple pregnancies, used several aliases and even lied about suffering from cancer.

In a bombshell twist to assault claims laid against Reynolds, the Wests Tigers star will allege he is one of six men to have been caught up in a web of lies by a woman known by the name of Arabella del Busso.

The disturbing level of detail was explained to the NRL, NSW Police and the Tigers prior to him being charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm relating to an alleged domestic violence incident last year.


The 30-year-old is vehemently defending the charges with the astonishing claims against Ms Del Busso part of his defence.

The NRL has on Friday cleared Reynolds to continue playing while he faces the charges with the Integrity Unit and CEO Todd Greenberg deciding against standing him down under the code’s no-fault stand-down policy.

It means Reynolds will be available for selection for the Wests Tigers first game of the season against St George Illawarra on March 15.

The NRL is expected to announce the decision on Friday afternoon, along with the news that Penrith Panthers player Tyrone May will be free to resume his playing career, having missed the entire 2019 season while facing sex tape charges.

May, who is currently injured, is expected to be fined but will be free to play when fit.

It comes as a woman claiming to Georgia Barone, the sister of Ms Del Busso, insisted on Thursday night that her sibling’s pregnancies were legitimate.


The Daily Telegraph can reveal that aside from key statements from five other men who have handed over thousands of dollars for various reasons to Ms Del Busso, Reynolds’ defence will also allege that the woman created digitally enhanced images of herself to give the impression she was pregnant.

An independent witness has also provided a statement to Reynolds’ legal team, which is led by high-profile barrister Margaret Cunneen and solicitor Dan McGirr, which will detail how Ms Del Busso allegedly asked the witness to help her inject fertility drugs, which would aid her attempt to appear as though she was pregnant.

The witness declined to assist Ms Del Busso.

On Thursday night Ms Barone told The Daily Telegraph that “at this very minute we’re just trying to handle what Josh has said and done.

“I’ll have to talk to Bella about this.

“However I can say that there is medical proof that these pregnancies weren’t fake … and that Josh is doing all of this to force Bella into dropping the charges.”

However, a follow-up phone call to The Daily Telegraph on Friday morning from a reliable source alleged that the “sister” was actually Ms Del Busso.

Reynolds’ lawyers have been contacted by other men supporting Reynolds’ claims.

An ex-boyfriend of Ms Del Busso, Michael Hayes, was awarded $7866 via a Queensland tribunal.


He sued for the money she claims she needed for a relatives funeral.

Another man has provided a statement to Reynolds’ legal team that alleges Ms Del Busso told the man she had cervical cancer, leading him to give her around $2500 for the treatment.

Under the name Bella Donna de Denato she had a medical certificate from a Doctor Galal Tadros in 2013 stating she had brain cancer.

Reynolds’ legal team will claim Dr Tadros says it’s a fake.

Reynolds will claim he met her through social media in late 2018 and saw her once.

Three months later she contacted the former NSW State of Origin star to say she was pregnant with twins.

She then told him she lost the twins, but quickly fell pregnant with twins again.

Reynolds went public with his anguish, when Ms Del Busso then told him she lost those twins.

“When I found out we were having twin boys I was over the moon,” Reynolds said last year, revealing the couple had built a nursery for the boys.


“I just love them and I was ready to take that step.

“It’s made me deal with something in life that I didn’t think I would have to deal with.

“That was something in life I’ve always wanted but I’ve sort of had to go along the lines that everything happens for a reason.”

Reynolds also discussed the difficulty of comforting his grieving partner.

“How do I comfort her when I’m struggling myself,” he said. “And because it is a lot harder for females because they go through it, growing inside them.

“I really wanted to be a man and be there for her too.”

Ms Del Busso allegedly told him she was pregnant for a third time but Reynolds defence will argue that medical records show she was never pregnant on any of the three occasions.

Through the alleged ordeal, Reynolds also claims he was encouraged not to attend regular check-ups of the supposed babies.


On one occasion Ms Del Busso asked Reynolds to stay in the waiting room.

Reynolds also claims Ms Del Busso told him her mother died and she needed money for her funeral.

The NRL star gave her over $4000.

Ms Del Busso’ mother Isabelle Preusker told Nine on Thursday night: “What’s been happening is devastating for a lot of people, and enough’s enough she needs to be stopped.’’

Ms Barone said her sister had nothing to do with her biological mum since she was of 17.

Reynolds will claim Ms Del Busso only filed the domestic violence complaint to police after she learned of his decision to tell his story to the police and after he asked she never contact him again.

Reynolds will appear in court today for an expedited hearing in to the matter.

Additional reporting Danielle Gusmaroli

 

[happy_tiger]

Where can you watch or see the article ??

David Riccio and Danielle Gusmaroli, The Daily Telegraph

|


NRL star Josh Reynolds will claim he is the subject of a stunning and calculated deceit attempt by his ex-girlfriend who deliberately faked multiple pregnancies, used several aliases and even lied about suffering from cancer.

In a bombshell twist to assault claims laid against Reynolds, the Wests Tigers star will allege he is one of six men to have been caught up in a web of lies by a woman known by the name of Arabella del Busso.

The disturbing level of detail was explained to the NRL, NSW Police and the Tigers prior to him being charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm relating to an alleged domestic violence incident last year.


The 30-year-old is vehemently defending the charges with the astonishing claims against Ms Del Busso part of his defence.

The NRL has on Friday cleared Reynolds to continue playing while he faces the charges with the Integrity Unit and CEO Todd Greenberg deciding against standing him down under the code’s no-fault stand-down policy.

It means Reynolds will be available for selection for the Wests Tigers first game of the season against St George Illawarra on March 15.

The NRL is expected to announce the decision on Friday afternoon, along with the news that Penrith Panthers player Tyrone May will be free to resume his playing career, having missed the entire 2019 season while facing sex tape charges.

May, who is currently injured, is expected to be fined but will be free to play when fit.

It comes as a woman claiming to Georgia Barone, the sister of Ms Del Busso, insisted on Thursday night that her sibling’s pregnancies were legitimate.


The Daily Telegraph can reveal that aside from key statements from five other men who have handed over thousands of dollars for various reasons to Ms Del Busso, Reynolds’ defence will also allege that the woman created digitally enhanced images of herself to give the impression she was pregnant.

An independent witness has also provided a statement to Reynolds’ legal team, which is led by high-profile barrister Margaret Cunneen and solicitor Dan McGirr, which will detail how Ms Del Busso allegedly asked the witness to help her inject fertility drugs, which would aid her attempt to appear as though she was pregnant.

The witness declined to assist Ms Del Busso.

On Thursday night Ms Barone told The Daily Telegraph that “at this very minute we’re just trying to handle what Josh has said and done.

“I’ll have to talk to Bella about this.

“However I can say that there is medical proof that these pregnancies weren’t fake … and that Josh is doing all of this to force Bella into dropping the charges.”

However, a follow-up phone call to The Daily Telegraph on Friday morning from a reliable source alleged that the “sister” was actually Ms Del Busso.

Reynolds’ lawyers have been contacted by other men supporting Reynolds’ claims.

An ex-boyfriend of Ms Del Busso, Michael Hayes, was awarded $7866 via a Queensland tribunal.


He sued for the money she claims she needed for a relatives funeral.

Another man has provided a statement to Reynolds’ legal team that alleges Ms Del Busso told the man she had cervical cancer, leading him to give her around $2500 for the treatment.

Under the name Bella Donna de Denato she had a medical certificate from a Doctor Galal Tadros in 2013 stating she had brain cancer.

Reynolds’ legal team will claim Dr Tadros says it’s a fake.

Reynolds will claim he met her through social media in late 2018 and saw her once.

Three months later she contacted the former NSW State of Origin star to say she was pregnant with twins.

She then told him she lost the twins, but quickly fell pregnant with twins again.

Reynolds went public with his anguish, when Ms Del Busso then told him she lost those twins.

“When I found out we were having twin boys I was over the moon,” Reynolds said last year, revealing the couple had built a nursery for the boys.


“I just love them and I was ready to take that step.

“It’s made me deal with something in life that I didn’t think I would have to deal with.

“That was something in life I’ve always wanted but I’ve sort of had to go along the lines that everything happens for a reason.”

Reynolds also discussed the difficulty of comforting his grieving partner.

“How do I comfort her when I’m struggling myself,” he said. “And because it is a lot harder for females because they go through it, growing inside them.

“I really wanted to be a man and be there for her too.”

Ms Del Busso allegedly told him she was pregnant for a third time but Reynolds defence will argue that medical records show she was never pregnant on any of the three occasions.

Through the alleged ordeal, Reynolds also claims he was encouraged not to attend regular check-ups of the supposed babies.


On one occasion Ms Del Busso asked Reynolds to stay in the waiting room.

Reynolds also claims Ms Del Busso told him her mother died and she needed money for her funeral.

The NRL star gave her over $4000.

Ms Del Busso’ mother Isabelle Preusker told Nine on Thursday night: “What’s been happening is devastating for a lot of people, and enough’s enough she needs to be stopped.’’

Ms Barone said her sister had nothing to do with her biological mum since she was of 17.

Reynolds will claim Ms Del Busso only filed the domestic violence complaint to police after she learned of his decision to tell his story to the police and after he asked she never contact him again.

Reynolds will appear in court today for an expedited hearing in to the matter.

Additional reporting Danielle Gusmaroli

Thanks Furious ..your a legend

 

[happy_tiger]

Thankfully he has been cleared to play.

We hope ....article on Fox I managed to open said they were hopeful they might have a clearance by Friday

 

[WT2K]

Wests Tigers have today been advised by the National Rugby League that Josh Reynolds will not be subject to the No-Fault Stand Down.

The NRL Integrity Unit will continue to monitor his court proceedings closely.

NRL CEO Mr. Todd Greenberg said Reynolds was subject of a very complex matter.

“Josh Reynolds has been upfront and open about his situation," Greenberg said.


"He proactively advised the Integrity Unit prior to the commencement of the police investigation and I would encourage other players to be as forthcoming.

"That said the allegation he faces is serious and we will continue to work with and receive updates about his situation from NSW Police.”

Reynolds will be eligible for selection in the club's upcoming trial matches as well as the season opener against St. George-Illawarra on March 15.

As this is an ongoing legal matter, Wests Tigers will be making no further comment
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2020/02/07/nrl-statement-on-josh-reynolds

 

[TCL]

It just goes to show we can all have our ideas and opinions but until it all comes before the courts we know diddley squat

Just because a matter goes to court it doesn't necessarily mean that all the facts are going to come out or that we are going to be completely enlightened about what transpired. Many a evidence is either suppressed or inadmissible and therefor a jury or judge is only able to make a decision on the evidence admissible/presented before them.

Many a guilty verdict has been overturned and many guilty people have walked free.

I dont see why people cant have an opinion on the matter in a public forum. Its not liable its just opinion on a public forum.

 

[Sco77y]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

It's not quite hearsay when your own parents are backing up everybody's sentiments, but even if you ignore that, there are likely documents including medical that back those up. Obviously we don't know that 100% for sure, but it really sounds like these do exist and will be presented in court. Let's wait and see..


100% agree on the wait and see, let the court decide, but I think you are conflating two issues. Even if it is not hearsay, even if everything on the Ch9 report is 100% true, it is still possible that JR assaulted her. The fact that she is a mentally ill, vindictive nasty piece of work that has done horrible things to JR, would not absolve him or anyone of assault.

Agree that it's still possible JR has assaulted her, and yes that claim still stands despite what was revealed yesterday. My point is that even so, as far as I'm aware there's no real evidence that he did do it either. But on the other hand, there is almost certainly some evidence that suggests his partner's credibility is non-existent. Therefore the only reasonable conclusion you could make is that he isn't guilty. I'm not saying he isn't, only that it's more likely that he isn't. Or beyond reasonable doubt as they say..

 

[Tiger5150]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

It's not quite hearsay when your own parents are backing up everybody's sentiments, but even if you ignore that, there are likely documents including medical that back those up. Obviously we don't know that 100% for sure, but it really sounds like these do exist and will be presented in court. Let's wait and see..


100% agree on the wait and see, let the court decide, but I think you are conflating two issues. Even if it is not hearsay, even if everything on the Ch9 report is 100% true, it is still possible that JR assaulted her. The fact that she is a mentally ill, vindictive nasty piece of work that has done horrible things to JR, would not absolve him or anyone of assault.

Agree that it's still possible JR has assaulted her, and yes that claim still stands despite what was revealed yesterday. My point is that even so, as far as I'm aware there's no real evidence that he did do it either. But on the other hand, there is almost certainly some evidence that suggests his partner's credibility is non-existent. Therefore the only reasonable conclusion you could make is that he isn't guilty. I'm not saying he isn't, only that it's more likely that he isn't. Or beyond reasonable doubt as they say..

No question his ex partner appears to have zero credibility. I disagree that the only reasonable conclusion is he isnt guilty. As TrueTiger and others here have made the point that her behaviour may have been the motive and trigger for assault. Agree if it is a he said/she said situation, she is shot.

Still curious how/why as reported Reynolds turned himself in.

 

[Geo]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

It's not quite hearsay when your own parents are backing up everybody's sentiments, but even if you ignore that, there are likely documents including medical that back those up. Obviously we don't know that 100% for sure, but it really sounds like these do exist and will be presented in court. Let's wait and see..


100% agree on the wait and see, let the court decide, but I think you are conflating two issues. Even if it is not hearsay, even if everything on the Ch9 report is 100% true, it is still possible that JR assaulted her. The fact that she is a mentally ill, vindictive nasty piece of work that has done horrible things to JR, would not absolve him or anyone of assault.

Agree that it's still possible JR has assaulted her, and yes that claim still stands despite what was revealed yesterday. My point is that even so, as far as I'm aware there's no real evidence that he did do it either. But on the other hand, there is almost certainly some evidence that suggests his partner's credibility is non-existent. Therefore the only reasonable conclusion you could make is that he isn't guilty. I'm not saying he isn't, only that it's more likely that he isn't. Or beyond reasonable doubt as they say..


No question his ex partner appears to have zero credibility. I disagree that the only reasonable conclusion is he isnt guilty. As TrueTiger and others here have made the point that her behaviour may have been the motive and trigger for assault. Agree if it is a he said/she said situation, she is shot.

Still curious how/why as reported Reynolds turned himself in.

He knew what was coming...

 

[hobbo1]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

It's not quite hearsay when your own parents are backing up everybody's sentiments, but even if you ignore that, there are likely documents including medical that back those up. Obviously we don't know that 100% for sure, but it really sounds like these do exist and will be presented in court. Let's wait and see..


100% agree on the wait and see, let the court decide, but I think you are conflating two issues. Even if it is not hearsay, even if everything on the Ch9 report is 100% true, it is still possible that JR assaulted her. The fact that she is a mentally ill, vindictive nasty piece of work that has done horrible things to JR, would not absolve him or anyone of assault.

Agree that it's still possible JR has assaulted her, and yes that claim still stands despite what was revealed yesterday. My point is that even so, as far as I'm aware there's no real evidence that he did do it either. But on the other hand, there is almost certainly some evidence that suggests his partner's credibility is non-existent. Therefore the only reasonable conclusion you could make is that he isn't guilty. I'm not saying he isn't, only that it's more likely that he isn't. Or beyond reasonable doubt as they say..


No question his ex partner appears to have zero credibility. I disagree that the only reasonable conclusion is he isnt guilty. As TrueTiger and others here have made the point that her behaviour may have been the motive and trigger for assault. Agree if it is a he said/she said situation, she is shot.

Still curious how/why as reported Reynolds turned himself in.

He new what was coming...

Smart move

 

[Guest]

I know Reynolds is in court today, I thought it was to try push his actual trial forward but I’ve seen people saying he’s calling witnesses today? I’m confused, is it his actual court case today or is he just trying to push it forward

Trying to push forward and obtain a trial date.

 

[Guest]

This forum don’t wanna convict JR based on hearsay but want to convict the victim based on hear say. And want to justify JR actions based on the hear say. What evidence you do have is the video of JR losing his mind over something seemingly trivial and threatening to give her the business. Forum members are mixing up 2 doffernet issues.

The problem with this forum, and particularly moreso in threads like this is that people speculate without presenting facts, and then combine speculation with personal beliefs which leads to differences of opinion and arguments, which this thread can certainly do without.

At the end of the day, if the speculation in this thread gets out of hand again, I'll close the thread. What people need to understand is that the facts will be presented in court based on the brief of evidence being submitted, then we'll see what we'll see...I'll keep my personal opinion out of it but I'm 99% confident of knowing how this case will end.