Justin Pascoe Letter to Members and Fans

[Tiger_Tim]

Justin Pascoe is a politician in the waiting. Hedging his bets and making sure none of the crap will fall his way if things go bad.

I don't blame him. I think it's Taylor's decision. I also think Taylor should be sacked because of it.

Whilst i agree with you that Taylor should be sacked, he is the coach. It is his call and if it turns out bad as i believe it will then he should go. If it turns out to be the right decision many of us will need to eat humble pie.

 

[Tigermama]

at least he had the guts to speak up. good going pascoe

yeah, he used executive speak to say nothing.

Another politician in the making.

 

[Chris]

I'm all for Robbie moving on….but not in this way. Show some Respect, Pascoe and JT.

I've read all the responses and this is the one that I agree with the most.

What's wrong with keeping Farah in first grade where he belongs and tell him "find a new club for next year or just stay at home."? We still have to pay him regardless. I dont see the value in trying to prove a point, it's only backfiring on the club. It backfired last year and it's happening again.

Idiots.

 

[Chris]

I'm all for Robbie moving on….but not in this way. Show some Respect, Pascoe and JT.

I've read all the responses and this is the one that I agree with the most.

What's wrong with keeping Farah in first grade where he belongs for this year and tell him "find a new club for next year or just stay at home."? We still have to pay him regardless. I dont see the value in trying to prove a point, it's only backfiring on the club. It backfired last year and it's happening again.

Idiots.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What's wrong with keeping Farah in first grade where he belongs and tell him "find a new club for next year or just stay at home.

Isn't that the approach they took last yr?

I don't understand what is meant by saying the club hasn't gone about this in the right way. Farah is a club legend, and has a passionate group of supporters. It was never going to matter how the club handled it because his suppprters were always goibg to let their emotions drive the car. I asked the question a couple of days ago, that the night last yr this whole drama started, when they released the initial statement informing the supporters Robbie was free to leave, what was so wrong about that, and how was it different to what any other club have done at some point. And the outrage started the monent that original announcement was made. How could the club have broken the news in any way that wouldn't have caused uproar?

There was a great article posted last night that suggested the supporters aren't use to the club taking the hardlline as previous boards and CEO's have been to weak. As a result we've seen the backlash.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Robbie may not be so slick as in earlier years but is so professional in training, recovering over injuries and passionate about everything on the field that we miss him when not there. A few times I have waited for that perfectly weighted grubber kick near the line but without Robbie it is just not in the script - so frustrating and short changed. If Moses took over his job we would not miss Farah. We want a feisty playmaker in there - not a robot.

 

[rialto]

Could one of the younger posters on here please cut paste whatever it is you do and bring up the Paul Crawley article stating "West Tigers are right to back Taylor". It was in the DT I think 21 July. Thx

 

[Chris]

What's wrong with keeping Farah in first grade where he belongs and tell him "find a new club for next year or just stay at home.

Isn't that the approach they took last yr?

I don't understand what is meant by saying the club hasn't gone about this in the right way. Farah is a club legend, and has a passionate group of supporters. It was never going to matter how the club handled it because his suppprters were always goibg to let their emotions drive the car. I asked the question a couple of days ago, that the night last yr this whole drama started, when they released the initial statement informing the supporters Robbie was free to leave, what was so wrong about that, and how was it different to what any other club have done at some point. And the outrage started the monent that original announcement was made. How could the club have broken the news in any way that wouldn't have caused uproar?

There was a great article posted last night that suggested the supporters aren't use to the club taking the hardlline as previous boards and CEO's have been to weak. As a result we've seen the backlash.

Dont get me wrong, Im not against moving Robbie on. If we had Cherrington primed to take his position I would understand more because he's the only one in the club that has the ability to be an excellent first grade quality hooker at the moment but he seems to be on the outer with the club and could be going elsewhere. If JT came out and said he wanted Cherrington because he believes he's a better hooker for the team I would swallow it better. JT just danced around the whole "cohesion" line. I feel like the whole media press conference was JT's way of saying, "I wanted Robbie gone and Im tired of dealing with this."

Im not a Robbie or JT supporter and I dont profess to know ins and outs of what goes on at the club. This may have already happened but if I were in JT's shoes and just as hell bent as he is to get rid of him, I'd tell him to "enjoy this year in first grade say your goodbye to your fans if you need to but after presentation night, you will not be required. You'll get the money what's owed to you as agreed upon but if you cant find another club then go fishing and get paid $900K next year."

I just feel like for all the times he's taken pay cuts, played injured and got Teddy back for us, I feel like this is a slap in the face to him. I also think the club has shown it's hand to players like Teddy who will be better than Hayne that the club doesnt care about them. The way the club has handled this, it'll just take someone like Nick Politis to come along with a brown paper bag and we can kiss Teddy goodbye. When that day comes, everyone on here will be saying all sorts of hateful things about Teddy but after the way he's seen Robbie being treated, who can blame him?

The way the club has conducted themselves is that it's shown that it only cares about the club. That's fine. I just hope no-one on here expects any current or future player to make sacrifices for the club after the way Robbie has been treated when you look back at the pay cuts and playing through pain and injury like he has.

 

[rialto]

You let Robbie stay this year and you really think he would go next year? Bet that option was put to him a million times. Robbie does what Robbie wants.

 

[stevetiger]

You let Robbie stay this year and you really think he would go next year? Bet that option was put to him a million times. Robbie does what Robbie wants.

Yep Robbie does what he wants. I think he wants to play reserve grade this week. Oh well - there goes that line out the window.

It's really easy when it comes to 2018\. You tell Robbie that his last year will be 2017 and we won't be offering him a contract. Problem solved.

 

[rialto]

Cudos to TT. Couldn't say it better.
Now I don't know how long most of you have followed the Wests tigers for but if it was from before 2003 I'd be surprised you'd have an issue with what is happening.
That was the year Robbie debuted playing about 4 games off the bench, the early assessment was that we had a young Benny Elias on our hands.
During that year and the following 2004 Wests tigers were well served with choice of dummy halves.
Robert Mears and Darren Senter, the captain whom by all reports was ushered into an early retirement at the ripe old age of 32.
Here is an extract from Wikipedia about what happened to Robert mears, playing some great football at the time.
"Mears joined the Wests Tigers on a one-year deal for the 2002 season. His return to the NRL proved to be a success and he played 24 games for the Wests Tigers, earning a new contract in the process. Mears played for the Wests Tigers for two more seasons, playing in 33 more games. He was released from his contract at the end of 2004 due to the emergence of Robbie Farah as a hooker at the Tigers." Wow I'm shocked!
Anyway back then the club made arrangement to ensure this young gun was happy to stay at the club.
2005 came around and farah was our only recognized hooker in the club and started on the bench in the first 4 rounds with guess what, another back-rower filling in at hooker starting in the 9: Ben Galea. Sheenious.

I have no doubt that had Farah gracefully backed out at the end of last year, we would of seen the emergence of Jacob Liddle a little bit quicker than it has played out. I'm sure taylor would of loved that also.

The way we have played this year, with the halves getting clean early ball and playing off the back of that, the team has been set up so that it doesn't run from dummy half. Taylor is coaching the team to it's strengths not just for the present, and this is most important; for the FUTURE.
As in, you've just got your red P's and your father hands you the keys to the Bentlley, saying "get out there and drive, don't worry if you scratch it a little bit, there's insurance for that, but most importantly I want you to get used to driving. And not just driving it for the sake of it, I want you to test it. I want you to learn to feel the car, listen to how it roars, understand how it takes corners." Daunting at first and you would probably prefer if your dad went with you on the drive but, we all know you learn to survive best when thrown in the deep end.
I couldn't fault how taylor has managed to bring our young team together and the way they have grown in confidence taking control and being responsible for all their actions. He has made sure everyone of those players know that they are accountable for how they play the game. That's why he never blames the refs, that's why he focuses on performances. It's all about developing a team of PROFESSIONAL athletes.

One other thing people have noted with Farah being one of best defensive player. That is true and it goes along with what i'm saying above. Without farah there other people need to make those tackles as in they don't have a choice to the matter. This isn't just about attacking cohesion but defence of the team as a whole, learning to play for one another mate alongside mate, going through the trenches hand in hand rather than getting their former comander to take the steps beforehand.

Thank god the club is moving forwards and with a clear and coordinated direction.
One final thing, go back and watch the first 20mins of our last 4 games without Farah. Then watch the first 20mins of our last 4 games we played with Farah starting at hooker and you tell me Jason taylor has it wrong.
It was clear to me after watching the first 2 games at the start of year.

Im also of the opinion that this is a make or break year for Taylor and at some point recently, Mr Pascoe has had some deep conversations about what he expects from the team… would not surprise me that Pascoe has given taylor the green light in knowing that the outcome is at least 1 of them won't be there next season and at least we can put it all behind us.

Personally I hope it is taylor that wins out this one!

X2

 

[Doc_Tiger]

It's pretty simple really. The coach decides who plays and who he wants. He feels that as good as Farah is, he's not a fit in his team. It's not Farah's team. It's Taylor's team. Jeezus….if you're trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together and there's one piece that won't fit, it belongs in another puzzle.

 

[sheer64]

It's pretty simple really. The coach decides who plays and who he wants. He feels that as good as Farah is, he's not a fit in his team. It's not Farah's team. It's Taylor's team. Jeezus….if you're trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together and there's one piece that won't fit, it belongs in another puzzle.

The problem is Pascoe spent the whole year spelling out that Farah and JT would play ball and now this. Seems to me we are not being told the full story!

 

[Doc_Tiger]

It's pretty simple really. The coach decides who plays and who he wants. He feels that as good as Farah is, he's not a fit in his team. It's not Farah's team. It's Taylor's team. Jeezus….if you're trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together and there's one piece that won't fit, it belongs in another puzzle.

The problem is Pascoe spent the whole year spelling out that Farah and JT would play ball and now this. Seems to me we are not being told the full story!

Ok, so it's not working and as much as they might have tried, it's not bettering the team in their opinion. In any event where this is the case, then the coach has to win out otherwise the alternative is a team of young men running how things operate. If that's the case, why bother with a coach at all?
It doesn't matter what the players want. They're payed to play to instructions. They're not payed to run the show.

 

[sheer64]

It's pretty simple really. The coach decides who plays and who he wants. He feels that as good as Farah is, he's not a fit in his team. It's not Farah's team. It's Taylor's team. Jeezus….if you're trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together and there's one piece that won't fit, it belongs in another puzzle.

The problem is Pascoe spent the whole year spelling out that Farah and JT would play ball and now this. Seems to me we are not being told the full story!

Ok, so it's not working and as much as they might have tried, it's not bettering the team in their opinion. In any event where this is the case, then the coach has to win out otherwise the alternative is a team of young men running how things operate. If that's the case, why bother with a coach at all?
It doesn't matter what the players want. They're payed to play to instructions. They're not payed to run the show.

If I believed we were being told the truth I have no problem, I just hate political propaganda.
If Taylor cant coach Farah, come out and say it. If Farah is not executing the coaches game plan, come out and say it. Pascoe, O'Neil and Taylor if all on the same page there would not be a problem, but this has not been the case this year.

 

[rialto]

What's wrong with keeping Farah in first grade where he belongs and tell him "find a new club for next year or just stay at home.

Isn't that the approach they took last yr?

I don't understand what is meant by saying the club hasn't gone about this in the right way. Farah is a club legend, and has a passionate group of supporters. It was never going to matter how the club handled it because his suppprters were always goibg to let their emotions drive the car. I asked the question a couple of days ago, that the night last yr this whole drama started, when they released the initial statement informing the supporters Robbie was free to leave, what was so wrong about that, and how was it different to what any other club have done at some point. And the outrage started the monent that original announcement was made. How could the club have broken the news in any way that wouldn't have caused uproar?

There was a great article posted last night that suggested the supporters aren't use to the club taking the hardlline as previous boards and CEO's have been to weak. As a result we've seen the backlash.

Agree, btw its "too weak" not "to weak"

 

[2041]

I felt that Robbie was just what we needed in this game, attacking flair and unpredictability, I just hope that Mitch & Luke can make up for it in spades, Elijah may have come as our saviour but he is not A Hooker/Dummy half and should never be utilised as such, he is an attacking weapon not a tackler, really Elijah has been called on to do so much tackling when he should be a creative spark!.

Here's some truth for all of you …Robbie's past his prime,we are developing the future of the club with our 1,6,7...and a 9 to come...Liddle...Farah was great in his day,that is starting to come to an end.. Legend,champion great bloke ,whatever,his day has dawned and he can't handle it..get the hell out of the way and let the younger guys have their turn just as you did Robbie,JT is the coach and his staff have to help him developed a team for the future and benefit of the club...All the loyalist on here should realise this is a bussines and not a benevolent society as it has been...its about time the higher echelon have made hard desicions for the benefit of the club..if you can't handle the true facts of NRL and bussines ,then go and buy some tissues for your issues...thanks for your services Rob,but please move on as many before you have... . .cheers ....to whom it may concern... :smiley:

Let the younger guys have their chance? Like Halatau? I could live with decision to drop Farah if (1) it had been handled with any class and didn't look like an attempt to humiliate a club legend, and (2) it was done to get Liddle playing time. Halatau (retiring), Cherrington (leaving) and Taylor (out of position) are not the future at number 9 for the Tigers.

 

[rialto]

You let Robbie stay this year and you really think he would go next year? Bet that option was put to him a million times. Robbie does what Robbie wants.

Yep Robbie does what he wants. I think he wants to play reserve grade this week. Oh well - there goes that line out the window.

It's really easy when it comes to 2018\. You tell Robbie that his last year will be 2017 and we won't be offering him a contract. Problem solved.

What happens when there is not enough money in the kitty next year to secure some of the young guns? If Robbie went to Saints, or anywhere else that would take him, we would get SOME of his salary. If we can't secure ET I for one will be very very upset!
Robbie is still at the Tigers, one way or the other - that's what he wants.

 

[stevetiger]

You let Robbie stay this year and you really think he would go next year? Bet that option was put to him a million times. Robbie does what Robbie wants.

Yep Robbie does what he wants. I think he wants to play reserve grade this week. Oh well - there goes that line out the window.

It's really easy when it comes to 2018\. You tell Robbie that his last year will be 2017 and we won't be offering him a contract. Problem solved.

What happens when there is not enough money in the kitty next year to secure some of the young guns? If Robbie went to Saints, or anywhere else that would take him, we would get SOME of his salary. If we can't secure ET I for one will be very very upset!
Robbie is still at the Tigers, one way or the other - that's what he wants.

Robbie may still be here anyway. It's good he wants to stay as well. It shows he loves the club.

I want to secure ET as well but I accept that we offered him a contract at a certain point and I think we should honour that.

 

[Nelson]

Robbie may still be here anyway. It's good he wants to stay as well. It shows he loves the club.

It doesn't necessarily show that he loves the club. It could just show that he can't stand feeling like he's "losing" anything so he's going to fight to the bitter end.