Justin Pascoe on 2ky 8am today

As I posted a couple of times, Ivan would have known what Nathan was planning to do. The two of them would surely have had a plan. I don't sit this with Gould, I sit it firmly on Ivan's shoulders.
There are a few on this forum (myself included) that stood by his word, thinking he was a man of integrity. I wonder if anyone ever will again?
 
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Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe backs decision to replace Ivan Cleary with Michael Maguire

Mark St John

October 30, 2018 9:02am

TIGERS CEO Justin Pascoe has offered a subtle parting shot at outgoing coach Ivan Cleary, before praising the appointment of Michael Maguire.

The New Zealand coach will take over from Cleary who has returned to Penrith on a mega deal that cut short his Tigers contract by two seasons.

Pascoe opened up on the reasons for signing Maguire, with his grand final winning pedigree right at the top of the list.

“When we started this process of looking through the options around the situation we were put in 12 or 14 weeks ago, we were committed to the fact that we wanted a coach with grand final winning experience,” Pascoe said.

“We wanted a coach with a fierce determination to win and Michael has certainly demonstrated that.

“He’s got a real passion to make sure this is a sustainable club for the long term. He’s got a passion and care for individual players and for pathways and development in our local region.

“So he was a very suitable candidate and a great announcement.”
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The Tigers will now enter preseason with a coach fully committed to the long-term success of the club.

Pascoe remained determined throughout the process to find an outcome that would best serve the club and its fans.

“This has been a situation that was complex from the beginning and we wanted a favourable outcome,” Pascoe said.

“My sole responsibility is to our fans, our players, our stakeholders and staff, that the club was put first.

“It has been a challenging 12 weeks because when you are trying to exit one coach and acquire another one

Pascoe was delighted with the interest in the head coaching position and was quick to point out that while Maguire was the best candidate he was not alone.

“It is exciting that we have had 10 to 12 people with a genuine interest in coming to coach this club,” Pascoe said.

“It is a credit to everyone involved and the players, that the way they play and the standards they have set themselves are a real attraction to people that want to come here and coach.”

However, after meeting with Maguire, Pascoe believes there is no better man to coach the side over the next three seasons.

Maguire is currently in the UK coaching the Kiwis in a three Test series against England, but will return after the tour to continue preseason training with the players.

“Michael will join the club on the 15th after his commitments with the New Zealand team finish in the UK,” Pascoe said.

“I think he is going to be outstanding and all the players and staff are excited that he is coming to the club.

“The passion that he showed us is just a fierce determination to win and that’s what this club needs.”

Pretty much confirms what most of us knew, Cleary asked for a release very early on, probably before that prepared statement.
 
‘They feel betrayed’: Enough of the coach poach, says Tigers boss

TIGERS chief executive Justin Pascoe says the Ivan Cleary saga is damaging and the NRL must act to ensure the game’s integrity remains intact going forward.

AAP OCTOBER 30, 20182:06PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe says the NRL must stop coach poaching to ensure the game’s integrity after claiming the joint venture’s fans felt betrayed by departing mentor Ivan Cleary.

Pascoe urged the NRL to adopt a system where coaches can only be approached by rivals when off contract, just like players, after Cleary was released from the final two years of his Tigers deal to return to Penrith.

The Tigers chief said the NRL must ensure coaches are not courted by other clubs until the final year of their contract to avoid a repeat of what the joint venture endured as speculation swirled around Cleary’s future.

While Pascoe was thrilled to have signed Michael Maguire as Cleary’s replacement, the Tigers boss said the rules for poaching coaches had to change.

The topic is expected to be discussed at the NRL CEOs meeting next month.

“I am a big advocate of following the same principles that we do with players, which is they shouldn’t be allowed to speak with coaches until they are in the final year of their contract,” Pascoe told Sky Sports Radio.

“There are many, especially in the media, that are advocates that this sort of disruption is good for the game, that it attracts back page press for the game.

“But when you are looking at trying to get extra revenue into the game and get those corporates attracted to the game what resonates is that there is a lack of integrity that exists around contracts and contract obligations.

“I think the disruption is bad for the game. I don’t think it brings positivity around the game at all.”

Former South Sydney premiership-winning coach Maguire signed a three-year Tigers deal after Cleary confirmed he would leave mid-contract and take up a five-season Panthers offer.

Pascoe said he was “blown away” when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave but looked forward to welcoming New Zealand coach Maguire, who will link with the club mid-November after the Kiwis’ three-Test England series.

“People believe in coaches, they believe in trusting coaches and when that trust is broken they feel betrayed and I think they (Tigers fans) have a right to (feel) that,” Pascoe said of Cleary’s departure.

“But I think they will be very happy in that we were able to secure a fantastic coach in Michael Maguire.

“He’s got a great record and we look forward to him emulating that with us.”
 
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Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe backs decision to replace Ivan Cleary with Michael Maguire

Mark St John

October 30, 2018 9:02am

TIGERS CEO Justin Pascoe has offered a subtle parting shot at outgoing coach Ivan Cleary, before praising the appointment of Michael Maguire.

The New Zealand coach will take over from Cleary who has returned to Penrith on a mega deal that cut short his Tigers contract by two seasons.

Pascoe opened up on the reasons for signing Maguire, with his grand final winning pedigree right at the top of the list.

“When we started this process of looking through the options around the situation we were put in 12 or 14 weeks ago, we were committed to the fact that we wanted a coach with grand final winning experience,” Pascoe said.

“We wanted a coach with a fierce determination to win and Michael has certainly demonstrated that.

“He’s got a real passion to make sure this is a sustainable club for the long term. He’s got a passion and care for individual players and for pathways and development in our local region.

“So he was a very suitable candidate and a great announcement.”
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The Tigers will now enter preseason with a coach fully committed to the long-term success of the club.

Pascoe remained determined throughout the process to find an outcome that would best serve the club and its fans.

“This has been a situation that was complex from the beginning and we wanted a favourable outcome,” Pascoe said.

“My sole responsibility is to our fans, our players, our stakeholders and staff, that the club was put first.

“It has been a challenging 12 weeks because when you are trying to exit one coach and acquire another one

Pascoe was delighted with the interest in the head coaching position and was quick to point out that while Maguire was the best candidate he was not alone.

“It is exciting that we have had 10 to 12 people with a genuine interest in coming to coach this club,” Pascoe said.

“It is a credit to everyone involved and the players, that the way they play and the standards they have set themselves are a real attraction to people that want to come here and coach.”

However, after meeting with Maguire, Pascoe believes there is no better man to coach the side over the next three seasons.

Maguire is currently in the UK coaching the Kiwis in a three Test series against England, but will return after the tour to continue preseason training with the players.

“Michael will join the club on the 15th after his commitments with the New Zealand team finish in the UK,” Pascoe said.

“I think he is going to be outstanding and all the players and staff are excited that he is coming to the club.

“The passion that he showed us is just a fierce determination to win and that’s what this club needs.”

Pretty much confirms what most of us knew, Cleary asked for a release very early on, probably before that prepared statement.

Well spotted.

So much rubbish and carry on by people refusing to believe this was happening. Lost track of the threads Willow closed.

I like that Pascoe is choosing his words carefully and saying just enough to make it clear what happened.
 
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‘They feel betrayed’: Enough of the coach poach, says Tigers boss

TIGERS chief executive Justin Pascoe says the Ivan Cleary saga is damaging and the NRL must act to ensure the game’s integrity remains intact going forward.

AAP OCTOBER 30, 20182:06PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe says the NRL must stop coach poaching to ensure the game’s integrity after claiming the joint venture’s fans felt betrayed by departing mentor Ivan Cleary.

Pascoe urged the NRL to adopt a system where coaches can only be approached by rivals when off contract, just like players, after Cleary was released from the final two years of his Tigers deal to return to Penrith.

The Tigers chief said the NRL must ensure coaches are not courted by other clubs until the final year of their contract to avoid a repeat of what the joint venture endured as speculation swirled around Cleary’s future.

While Pascoe was thrilled to have signed Michael Maguire as Cleary’s replacement, the Tigers boss said the rules for poaching coaches had to change.

The topic is expected to be discussed at the NRL CEOs meeting next month.

“I am a big advocate of following the same principles that we do with players, which is they shouldn’t be allowed to speak with coaches until they are in the final year of their contract,” Pascoe told Sky Sports Radio.

“There are many, especially in the media, that are advocates that this sort of disruption is good for the game, that it attracts back page press for the game.

“But when you are looking at trying to get extra revenue into the game and get those corporates attracted to the game what resonates is that there is a lack of integrity that exists around contracts and contract obligations.

“I think the disruption is bad for the game. I don’t think it brings positivity around the game at all.”

Former South Sydney premiership-winning coach Maguire signed a three-year Tigers deal after Cleary confirmed he would leave mid-contract and take up a five-season Panthers offer.

Pascoe said he was “blown away” when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave but looked forward to welcoming New Zealand coach Maguire, who will link with the club mid-November after the Kiwis’ three-Test England series.

“People believe in coaches, they believe in trusting coaches and when that trust is broken they feel betrayed and I think they (Tigers fans) have a right to (feel) that,” Pascoe said of Cleary’s departure.

“But I think they will be very happy in that we were able to secure a fantastic coach in Michael Maguire.

“He’s got a great record and we look forward to him emulating that with us.”

Well said. He's got a better business head on his shoulders than Greenberg does.
 
At the end of the day Cleary played everyone, from the board, ceo, & us the supporters. I for one will be at Suncorp when we play Penrith. To watch him crash & burn, if he turns up.
 
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‘They feel betrayed’: Enough of the coach poach, says Tigers boss

TIGERS chief executive Justin Pascoe says the Ivan Cleary saga is damaging and the NRL must act to ensure the game’s integrity remains intact going forward.

AAP OCTOBER 30, 20182:06PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe says the NRL must stop coach poaching to ensure the game’s integrity after claiming the joint venture’s fans felt betrayed by departing mentor Ivan Cleary.

Pascoe urged the NRL to adopt a system where coaches can only be approached by rivals when off contract, just like players, after Cleary was released from the final two years of his Tigers deal to return to Penrith.

The Tigers chief said the NRL must ensure coaches are not courted by other clubs until the final year of their contract to avoid a repeat of what the joint venture endured as speculation swirled around Cleary’s future.

While Pascoe was thrilled to have signed Michael Maguire as Cleary’s replacement, the Tigers boss said the rules for poaching coaches had to change.

The topic is expected to be discussed at the NRL CEOs meeting next month.

“I am a big advocate of following the same principles that we do with players, which is they shouldn’t be allowed to speak with coaches until they are in the final year of their contract,” Pascoe told Sky Sports Radio.

“There are many, especially in the media, that are advocates that this sort of disruption is good for the game, that it attracts back page press for the game.

“But when you are looking at trying to get extra revenue into the game and get those corporates attracted to the game what resonates is that there is a lack of integrity that exists around contracts and contract obligations.

“I think the disruption is bad for the game. I don’t think it brings positivity around the game at all.”

Former South Sydney premiership-winning coach Maguire signed a three-year Tigers deal after Cleary confirmed he would leave mid-contract and take up a five-season Panthers offer.

Pascoe said he was “blown away” when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave but looked forward to welcoming New Zealand coach Maguire, who will link with the club mid-November after the Kiwis’ three-Test England series.

“People believe in coaches, they believe in trusting coaches and when that trust is broken they feel betrayed and I think they (Tigers fans) have a right to (feel) that,” Pascoe said of Cleary’s departure.

“But I think they will be very happy in that we were able to secure a fantastic coach in Michael Maguire.

“He’s got a great record and we look forward to him emulating that with us.”

Well said. He's got a better business head on his shoulders than Greenberg does.

So we're not going to lose him to the NRL

They are only hire peanuts

Just hope he stays with us long term

The club is certainly on the rise with him in charge
 
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As I posted a couple of times, Ivan would have known what Nathan was planning to do. The two of them would surely have had a plan. I don't sit this with Gould, I sit it firmly on Ivan's shoulders.
There are a few on this forum (myself included) that stood by his word, thinking he was a man of integrity. I wonder if anyone ever will again?

The fact that many of you stuck by him and trusted him is a credit to you. It shows that you have faith in people.

It is a horrible place to be to see evil and deception in everyone.

The worst outcome in all of this would be you, others and especially younger Tiges fans losing faith in public figures.

Most people do not behave like Ivan has. This is the exception rather than the rule. I write this a little to remind others and mainly to remind myself.
 
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‘They feel betrayed’: Enough of the coach poach, says Tigers boss

TIGERS chief executive Justin Pascoe says the Ivan Cleary saga is damaging and the NRL must act to ensure the game’s integrity remains intact going forward.

AAP OCTOBER 30, 20182:06PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe says the NRL must stop coach poaching to ensure the game’s integrity after claiming the joint venture’s fans felt betrayed by departing mentor Ivan Cleary.

Pascoe urged the NRL to adopt a system where coaches can only be approached by rivals when off contract, just like players, after Cleary was released from the final two years of his Tigers deal to return to Penrith.

The Tigers chief said the NRL must ensure coaches are not courted by other clubs until the final year of their contract to avoid a repeat of what the joint venture endured as speculation swirled around Cleary’s future.

While Pascoe was thrilled to have signed Michael Maguire as Cleary’s replacement, the Tigers boss said the rules for poaching coaches had to change.

The topic is expected to be discussed at the NRL CEOs meeting next month.

“I am a big advocate of following the same principles that we do with players, which is they shouldn’t be allowed to speak with coaches until they are in the final year of their contract,” Pascoe told Sky Sports Radio.

“There are many, especially in the media, that are advocates that this sort of disruption is good for the game, that it attracts back page press for the game.

“But when you are looking at trying to get extra revenue into the game and get those corporates attracted to the game what resonates is that there is a lack of integrity that exists around contracts and contract obligations.

“I think the disruption is bad for the game. I don’t think it brings positivity around the game at all.”

Former South Sydney premiership-winning coach Maguire signed a three-year Tigers deal after Cleary confirmed he would leave mid-contract and take up a five-season Panthers offer.

Pascoe said he was “blown away” when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave but looked forward to welcoming New Zealand coach Maguire, who will link with the club mid-November after the Kiwis’ three-Test England series.

“People believe in coaches, they believe in trusting coaches and when that trust is broken they feel betrayed and I think they (Tigers fans) have a right to (feel) that,” Pascoe said of Cleary’s departure.

“But I think they will be very happy in that we were able to secure a fantastic coach in Michael Maguire.

“He’s got a great record and we look forward to him emulating that with us.”

"Pascoe was blown away when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave…...."

More information being subtly shared...Ivan at first may never officially asked for a release but certainly let Pascoe know he wanted out leaving Pascoe and Go with no option but to make it happen.
They have been behind the scenes resolving this since. Under the circumstances, and what must have been extremely stressful they have done an admirable job in minimising the damage and getting a great result.
The fact that Farah and Benji signed believing that Cleary would still be there does my head in especially when Farah said he personally rang him.
 
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Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe backs decision to replace Ivan Cleary with Michael Maguire

Mark St John

October 30, 2018 9:02am

TIGERS CEO Justin Pascoe has offered a subtle parting shot at outgoing coach Ivan Cleary, before praising the appointment of Michael Maguire.

The New Zealand coach will take over from Cleary who has returned to Penrith on a mega deal that cut short his Tigers contract by two seasons.

Pascoe opened up on the reasons for signing Maguire, with his grand final winning pedigree right at the top of the list.

“When we started this process of looking through the options around the situation we were put in 12 or 14 weeks ago, we were committed to the fact that we wanted a coach with grand final winning experience,” Pascoe said.

“We wanted a coach with a fierce determination to win and Michael has certainly demonstrated that.

“He’s got a real passion to make sure this is a sustainable club for the long term. He’s got a passion and care for individual players and for pathways and development in our local region.

“So he was a very suitable candidate and a great announcement.”
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The Tigers will now enter preseason with a coach fully committed to the long-term success of the club.

Pascoe remained determined throughout the process to find an outcome that would best serve the club and its fans.

“This has been a situation that was complex from the beginning and we wanted a favourable outcome,” Pascoe said.

“My sole responsibility is to our fans, our players, our stakeholders and staff, that the club was put first.

“It has been a challenging 12 weeks because when you are trying to exit one coach and acquire another one

Pascoe was delighted with the interest in the head coaching position and was quick to point out that while Maguire was the best candidate he was not alone.

“It is exciting that we have had 10 to 12 people with a genuine interest in coming to coach this club,” Pascoe said.

“It is a credit to everyone involved and the players, that the way they play and the standards they have set themselves are a real attraction to people that want to come here and coach.”

However, after meeting with Maguire, Pascoe believes there is no better man to coach the side over the next three seasons.

Maguire is currently in the UK coaching the Kiwis in a three Test series against England, but will return after the tour to continue preseason training with the players.

“Michael will join the club on the 15th after his commitments with the New Zealand team finish in the UK,” Pascoe said.

“I think he is going to be outstanding and all the players and staff are excited that he is coming to the club.

“The passion that he showed us is just a fierce determination to win and that’s what this club needs.”

Pretty much confirms what most of us knew, Cleary asked for a release very early on, probably before that prepared statement.

Well spotted.

So much rubbish and carry on by people refusing to believe this was happening. Lost track of the threads Willow closed.

I like that Pascoe is choosing his words carefully and saying just enough to make it clear what happened.

To be fair Pat, many believed that he was above it with the way he came to the club and sold the dream to the players and fans. Couple that with the fact that he donated a kidney to his brother and it was easy to see why we thought he was a stand up guy with integrity. By the time the multiple stories were flying around about the deal tabled after his contract was to finish here it was pretty obvious that the bloke had done the dirty on us.

It is OK to have faith in people.
 
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Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe backs decision to replace Ivan Cleary with Michael Maguire

Mark St John

October 30, 2018 9:02am

TIGERS CEO Justin Pascoe has offered a subtle parting shot at outgoing coach Ivan Cleary, before praising the appointment of Michael Maguire.

The New Zealand coach will take over from Cleary who has returned to Penrith on a mega deal that cut short his Tigers contract by two seasons.

Pascoe opened up on the reasons for signing Maguire, with his grand final winning pedigree right at the top of the list.

“When we started this process of looking through the options around the situation we were put in 12 or 14 weeks ago, we were committed to the fact that we wanted a coach with grand final winning experience,” Pascoe said.

“We wanted a coach with a fierce determination to win and Michael has certainly demonstrated that.

“He’s got a real passion to make sure this is a sustainable club for the long term. He’s got a passion and care for individual players and for pathways and development in our local region.

“So he was a very suitable candidate and a great announcement.”
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The Tigers will now enter preseason with a coach fully committed to the long-term success of the club.

Pascoe remained determined throughout the process to find an outcome that would best serve the club and its fans.

“This has been a situation that was complex from the beginning and we wanted a favourable outcome,” Pascoe said.

“My sole responsibility is to our fans, our players, our stakeholders and staff, that the club was put first.

“It has been a challenging 12 weeks because when you are trying to exit one coach and acquire another one

Pascoe was delighted with the interest in the head coaching position and was quick to point out that while Maguire was the best candidate he was not alone.

“It is exciting that we have had 10 to 12 people with a genuine interest in coming to coach this club,” Pascoe said.

“It is a credit to everyone involved and the players, that the way they play and the standards they have set themselves are a real attraction to people that want to come here and coach.”

However, after meeting with Maguire, Pascoe believes there is no better man to coach the side over the next three seasons.

Maguire is currently in the UK coaching the Kiwis in a three Test series against England, but will return after the tour to continue preseason training with the players.

“Michael will join the club on the 15th after his commitments with the New Zealand team finish in the UK,” Pascoe said.

“I think he is going to be outstanding and all the players and staff are excited that he is coming to the club.

“The passion that he showed us is just a fierce determination to win and that’s what this club needs.”

Pretty much confirms what most of us knew, Cleary asked for a release very early on, probably before that prepared statement.

Well spotted.

So much rubbish and carry on by people refusing to believe this was happening. Lost track of the threads Willow closed.

I like that Pascoe is choosing his words carefully and saying just enough to make it clear what happened.

Definition of cynicism: Incredulous of human goodness.
 
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Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe backs decision to replace Ivan Cleary with Michael Maguire

Mark St John

October 30, 2018 9:02am

TIGERS CEO Justin Pascoe has offered a subtle parting shot at outgoing coach Ivan Cleary, before praising the appointment of Michael Maguire.

The New Zealand coach will take over from Cleary who has returned to Penrith on a mega deal that cut short his Tigers contract by two seasons.

Pascoe opened up on the reasons for signing Maguire, with his grand final winning pedigree right at the top of the list.

“When we started this process of looking through the options around the situation we were put in 12 or 14 weeks ago, we were committed to the fact that we wanted a coach with grand final winning experience,” Pascoe said.

“We wanted a coach with a fierce determination to win and Michael has certainly demonstrated that.

“He’s got a real passion to make sure this is a sustainable club for the long term. He’s got a passion and care for individual players and for pathways and development in our local region.

“So he was a very suitable candidate and a great announcement.”
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The Tigers will now enter preseason with a coach fully committed to the long-term success of the club.

Pascoe remained determined throughout the process to find an outcome that would best serve the club and its fans.

“This has been a situation that was complex from the beginning and we wanted a favourable outcome,” Pascoe said.

“My sole responsibility is to our fans, our players, our stakeholders and staff, that the club was put first.

“It has been a challenging 12 weeks because when you are trying to exit one coach and acquire another one

Pascoe was delighted with the interest in the head coaching position and was quick to point out that while Maguire was the best candidate he was not alone.

“It is exciting that we have had 10 to 12 people with a genuine interest in coming to coach this club,” Pascoe said.

“It is a credit to everyone involved and the players, that the way they play and the standards they have set themselves are a real attraction to people that want to come here and coach.”

However, after meeting with Maguire, Pascoe believes there is no better man to coach the side over the next three seasons.

Maguire is currently in the UK coaching the Kiwis in a three Test series against England, but will return after the tour to continue preseason training with the players.

“Michael will join the club on the 15th after his commitments with the New Zealand team finish in the UK,” Pascoe said.

“I think he is going to be outstanding and all the players and staff are excited that he is coming to the club.

“The passion that he showed us is just a fierce determination to win and that’s what this club needs.”

Pretty much confirms what most of us knew, Cleary asked for a release very early on, probably before that prepared statement.

Well spotted.

So much rubbish and carry on by people refusing to believe this was happening. Lost track of the threads Willow closed.

I like that Pascoe is choosing his words carefully and saying just enough to make it clear what happened.

To be fair Pat, many believed that he was above it with the way he came to the club and sold the dream to the players and fans. Couple that with the fact that he donated a kidney to his brother and it was easy to see why we thought he was a stand up guy with integrity. By the time the multiple stories were flying around about the deal tabled after his contract was to finish here it was pretty obvious that the bloke had done the dirty on us.

It is OK to have faith in people.

I agree CB, it would be sad old world if we didnt trust.

To me however its more about the over the top distrust of the media by a large number of our fans( rightly or wrongly) and a select group of people arguing for the sake of arguing.

Its a little too easy to hide behind the "its not official" thing.

From the moment Cleary told the players we was going to have a think about his future the writing was on the wall.
 
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‘They feel betrayed’: Enough of the coach poach, says Tigers boss

TIGERS chief executive Justin Pascoe says the Ivan Cleary saga is damaging and the NRL must act to ensure the game’s integrity remains intact going forward.

AAP OCTOBER 30, 20182:06PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe says the NRL must stop coach poaching to ensure the game’s integrity after claiming the joint venture’s fans felt betrayed by departing mentor Ivan Cleary.

Pascoe urged the NRL to adopt a system where coaches can only be approached by rivals when off contract, just like players, after Cleary was released from the final two years of his Tigers deal to return to Penrith.

The Tigers chief said the NRL must ensure coaches are not courted by other clubs until the final year of their contract to avoid a repeat of what the joint venture endured as speculation swirled around Cleary’s future.

While Pascoe was thrilled to have signed Michael Maguire as Cleary’s replacement, the Tigers boss said the rules for poaching coaches had to change.

The topic is expected to be discussed at the NRL CEOs meeting next month.

“I am a big advocate of following the same principles that we do with players, which is they shouldn’t be allowed to speak with coaches until they are in the final year of their contract,” Pascoe told Sky Sports Radio.

“There are many, especially in the media, that are advocates that this sort of disruption is good for the game, that it attracts back page press for the game.

“But when you are looking at trying to get extra revenue into the game and get those corporates attracted to the game what resonates is that there is a lack of integrity that exists around contracts and contract obligations.

“I think the disruption is bad for the game. I don’t think it brings positivity around the game at all.”

Former South Sydney premiership-winning coach Maguire signed a three-year Tigers deal after Cleary confirmed he would leave mid-contract and take up a five-season Panthers offer.

Pascoe said he was “blown away” when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave but looked forward to welcoming New Zealand coach Maguire, who will link with the club mid-November after the Kiwis’ three-Test England series.

“People believe in coaches, they believe in trusting coaches and when that trust is broken they feel betrayed and I think they (Tigers fans) have a right to (feel) that,” Pascoe said of Cleary’s departure.

“But I think they will be very happy in that we were able to secure a fantastic coach in Michael Maguire.

“He’s got a great record and we look forward to him emulating that with us.”

"Pascoe was blown away when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave…...."

More information being subtly shared...Ivan at first may never officially asked for a release but certainly let Pascoe know he wanted out leaving Pascoe and Go with no option but to make it happen.
They have been behind the scenes resolving this since. Under the circumstances, and what must have been extremely stressful they have done an admirable job in minimising the damage and getting a great result.
The fact that Farah and Benji signed believing that Cleary would still be there does my head in especially when Farah said he personally rang him.

Ivan, the gift that keeps on giving.
 
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/tigers-ceo-justin-pascoe-backs-decision-to-replace-ivan-cleary-with-michael-maguire/news-story/6c9efdce1de02bb06269f277543ab545
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“It is exciting that we have had 10 to 12 people with a genuine interest in coming to coach this club,” Pascoe said.

Is this a slight dig at Gus? :stuck_out_tongue:

Has anyone read the Cleary article in the DT today and if so could we get a repost on forum please?
*The one where he supposedly told Panthers that Tigers over achieved this year*

This one?

Michael Maguire signing is proof Wests Tigers are finally growing up
Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
October 30, 2018 7:54am
Subscriber only
Ivan Cleary has ‘unfinished business’ at Panthers
Monday Buzz: Lies make mugs out of NRL fans
BENNY Elias did not miss Ivan Cleary.

Bouncing Benny, who shoots straight and fast from the lip, was on the Macquarie Sports Radio breakfast show Monday and began the ­interview with a nice slice of unintended irony.

“I’m presently in Indonesia, so there might be a little a bit of delay there,” he said.

Bouncing Benny’s legion of fans and critics alike knew exactly what he didn’t mean. No delay this time, though.

Elias was sharp and pointed about Cleary’s decision to leave Wests Tigers for Penrith with two years still to run.

“It’s absolutely disgraceful and not acceptable,” Elias said.

“All I want to say is shame on Ivan Cleary for what he’s done. There’s been no excuse and there’s been no reason for that.”
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Cleary’s reasons for walking out two years early were widely regarded as a desire to coach his son Nathan at Penrith. It is also known Cleary is tired of rebuilding teams.

He told the Panthers he believed the Tigers over-achieved this season, the unspoken part being how hard it would be to repeat that success.

Penrith, instead, are ready-made. The Panthers were building towards a run at a premiership this season before their campaign was derailed by coach Anthony Griffin’s sacking four weeks out from the finals and a handover to a rookie coach.

The Tigers have now hired Michael Maguire. His successes and failures will be ­followed as closely as Cleary’s at Penrith.
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Ivan Cleary will need quick success at the Panthers or fans and critics will come down hard. Picture: AAP
The greatest indicator that Maguire is ready to succeed is not necessarily his track record, which indicates he is capable of turning premiership weaklings into legitimate contenders.

He rebuilt Wigan into a premiership success in the English Super League and raised the Titanic by coaching South Sydney to their first premiership in 43 years.

He was accused of becoming predictable and unbending at Souths. The game plan was direct and simple.

Maguire coached a power game, drawing criticism for their lack of flair in 2014 when Wayne Bennett, who was coaching Newcastle, described them as “predictable”.

The often unquoted part of Bennett’s assessment was that while the game plan might be predictable, the problem was trying to stop it.
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Michael Maguire guided South Sydney to their first premiership in 43 years.
Maguire learnt his trade at Melbourne under Craig Bellamy and took what he knew to Wigan, where he won the premiership, the Challenge Cup, and then replicated premiership success at Souths.

But success can be a bad teacher. When the players won the premiership and lost some of their appetite, Maguire was unable to get them to give what they once gave and, because he could not bend, it eventually turned bad.

Players complained about going into games sore, for example, such was their physicality at training. Once slights like that got cemented down it made it easy for the club to sack him when the Rabbitohs tailed off in the win column.

Maguire did not allow himself to get bitter. He used his time wisely after he was sacked. He worked with the referees at the NRL and kept his head in the game. His eyes eventually opened to the fact there are different paths to success.
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Part of it was what was happening at Souths. Anthony Seibold took them from 12th to third with essentially the same roster, except for Dane Gagai and Greg Inglis, who was back from injury.

Seibold changed the Rabbitohs’ attack, playing with more width, and received wide praise.

But in the end it still depended on punch through the middle and when the Roosters shut them down in the ruck in the preliminary final, South Sydney could find no Plan B and out they went.

The Roosters figured them just as “predictable” as ever, as most teams are. It was just a different predictability.

Everybody had long forgotten Maguire was wearing the rap for it.

The Tigers have looked past that by appointing him. He returns to coaching now with the Tigers as a better coach. He knows there is no certain formula.
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Like a solid attack there are principles that must allow for personality.

The Tigers showed a capacity for hard work under Cleary last season and will need every bit of that appetite with Maguire. But they should be brave. His hiring is solid proof that the ­Tigers are finally growing up.

For years the Tigers have teased fans, showing glimpses of something that has always been elusive and, except for 2005, too often failing when the heat was applied.

They spoke to a background noise of premiership dreams without ever really having the constitution to ­deliver.

Maguire changes all that, and comes back a better coach than when he was at Souths.

He coaches like Bouncing Benny talks. There is no room left for excuses.
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All it confirmed to me is Cleary is a coward. He had an open cheque book, lumbered us up with some long contracts and then took off the first opportunity he could. Afraid that we might not go as well next year ( with the players he signed). It's funny that the guy who asked the players to take the hard road, toughen up, show some grit and determination bailed out at the thought of some hard times ahead. Like i said…...coward.
 
Do we have to question the signing on Oliver Clark

Was the signing necessary or helping Penrith out

We have to question almost everything Cleary has done from mid 2018 onwards recruitment retention wise , players he let go ….....

Does Cleary bring the game into disrepute .........?? Does the NRL have to look into his dealing with the club ......??
 
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As I posted a couple of times, Ivan would have known what Nathan was planning to do. The two of them would surely have had a plan. I don't sit this with Gould, I sit it firmly on Ivan's shoulders.
There are a few on this forum (myself included) that stood by his word, thinking he was a man of integrity. I wonder if anyone ever will again?

The fact that many of you stuck by him and trusted him is a credit to you. It shows that you have faith in people.

It is a horrible place to be to see evil and deception in everyone.

The worst outcome in all of this would be you, others and especially younger Tiges fans losing faith in public figures.

Most people do not behave like Ivan has. This is the exception rather than the rule. I write this a little to remind others and mainly to remind myself.

Well said Mate.
 
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Do we have to question the signing on Oliver Clark

Was the signing necessary or helping Penrith out

We have to question almost everything Cleary has done from mid 2018 onwards recruitment retention wise , players he let go ….....

Does Cleary bring the game into disrepute .........?? Does the NRL have to look into his dealing with the club ......??

Makes you think twice about the level of control over the Football dept you give to a coach - especially if they are committed to other clubs while still under contract
 

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