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@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199639) said:@hobbo1 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199636) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199628) said:@happy_tiger said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199606) said:What about Brooks
Koepka ....champion golfer
Brooks was terrible
7 or 6 he’s rubbish
He’s so robotic and has no rhythm or feel for the game
He’s gone backwards under Madge (as has every back).
@old_man_tiger said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199861) said:@Lauren said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199848) said:@Spacecub said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199732) said:I'm not blaming any of the players, Maguire has stuffed this side, it's clear he's lost the dressing room....its time for him to go...Newcastle were like this last year,they made the decision to punt Brownie after he was in the same position...Maguire has to go
I just feel Madge is more structured and methodical in his coaching.
Don't think there's anything wrong in that itself except the game has moved onto what would have been perfect for 2005-2012 WT team, and that we require as much emphasis on our attack.
He's been a great coach for our defence but due to our young inexperienced squad there needs to be someone on hand who understands the modern game, to help us incorporate a more variable style of game.
Tonight's game sucked but don't think it's enough to call for his head.
Realistically we needed a complete overhaul and we simply need to tinker with our defensive and attacking structures. Unfortunately for fans, having a team like ours means it's gonna take some time to steady the ship.
Lauren I hear you and agree he would have been great for us earlier.
On the other hand, defence is the cornerstone of nearly every good team.
Apart from us in 05 and the odd flash in the pan from parra or the warriors the examples of teams relying on attack and getting to the GF are very rare.
@Curaeus said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199921) said:Teams lose, sometimes badly like tonight. Not the end of the world. Will still be there supporting whomever runs out in our jersey in all our remaining games.
@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199798) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199783) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199780) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199765) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199737) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199721) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199708) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199695) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199682) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199639) said:@hobbo1 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199636) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199628) said:@happy_tiger said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199606) said:What about Brooks
Koepka ....champion golfer
Brooks was terrible
7 or 6 he’s rubbish
He’s so robotic and has no rhythm or feel for the game
He’s gone backwards under Madge (as has every back).
100%, not one back has improved outside of Nofa
Talau has been really good. Leilua is brand new, we’ve had two debutants on the wing along with Jennings who’s woeful and Corey was just as good as last year on the wing. Doueihi has been solid too. Not a very fair comments
I think it is, Doueihi has got worse as the season progressed, Talau has been ok but its his 1st year, BJ has not had the same impact for us, Mbye speaks for itself, Benji is not getting any better, Brooks is a shadow of the player he was, Reynold's game is not improving. I'm not suggesting we sack him, but there are things to be concerned about as I stated last week.
Doueihi has been injured and has still been quite solid. Been less involved when our forwards have been getting rolled which is a lot lately, we’ve won 1 out of our last 5 don’t forget hard for anyone to look good. BJ went from a grand final team to us of course he won’t look as good. Benji has played a year too long, Brooks is the big one that I’m questioning. Don’t think you can blame the coach besides Brooks, but he was great last year under Madge as well so who knows
To be honest, I don't really see anything that much different from Doueihi to what I saw at Souths, Mbye has dropped away enormously as well. I'm not arguing against Madge, just concerned about the lack of improvement in our skill players.
Mbye was never that good in the first place. I would argue he played just as good at bulldogs. Our forwards have improved a lot but it’s clear we need to sign some new halves and give Mbye the boot.
I agree our forwards have improved, Lucy is playing great football. I just feel Madge is a better coach of forwards than backs.
You’re probably right in that regard. He’s always done well with the forwards
I'd like to see us find him an attack orientated assistant, something like what the Panthers have done with Barrett. I don't know who but feel that would assist us greatly moving forward.
@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199931) said:@Curaeus said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199921) said:Teams lose, sometimes badly like tonight. Not the end of the world. Will still be there supporting whomever runs out in our jersey in all our remaining games.
Yep 100% will be there next week, already have my tickets and a beer lined up before the game. That is if you are still coming @Tiger_Steve ?
@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199844) said:@Sco77y said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199812) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199750) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199745) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199743) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199721) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199708) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199695) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199682) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199639) said:@hobbo1 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199636) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199628) said:@happy_tiger said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199606) said:What about Brooks
Koepka ....champion golfer
Brooks was terrible
7 or 6 he’s rubbish
He’s so robotic and has no rhythm or feel for the game
He’s gone backwards under Madge (as has every back).
100%, not one back has improved outside of Nofa
Talau has been really good. Leilua is brand new, we’ve had two debutants on the wing along with Jennings who’s woeful and Corey was just as good as last year on the wing. Doueihi has been solid too. Not a very fair comments
I think it is, Doueihi has got worse as the season progressed, Talau has been ok but its his 1st year, BJ has not had the same impact for us, Mbye speaks for itself, Benji is not getting any better, Brooks is a shadow of the player he was, Reynold's game is not improving. I'm not suggesting we sack him, but there are things to be concerned about as I stated last week.
Doueihi has been injured and has still been quite solid. Been less involved when our forwards have been getting rolled which is a lot lately, we’ve won 1 out of our last 5 don’t forget hard for anyone to look good. BJ went from a grand final team to us of course he won’t look as good. Benji has played a year too long, Brooks is the big one that I’m questioning. Don’t think you can blame the coach besides Brooks, but he was great last year under Madge as well so who knows
You are really clutching at straws. Madge is not doing a good job, it’s as simple as that.
I have concerns, but I think it would be a mistake to get rid of him now. We do need some stability on the coaching front.
I don’t think it would make a difference mate. We’re regressing under him. It hasn’t worked.
So what coach is going to get this club going? We’ve already burned through about 5 in as many years.. Can we keep blaming the coach every time we suck? Half of our squad is talentless. Any coach is going to need a steady period to iron out this mess.
No idea. But what is fact is that this years team is more his team than last years, and we’re worse.
@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199931) said:@Curaeus said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199921) said:Teams lose, sometimes badly like tonight. Not the end of the world. Will still be there supporting whomever runs out in our jersey in all our remaining games.
Yep 100% will be there next week, already have my tickets and a beer lined up before the game. That is if you are still coming @Tiger_Steve ?
@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199798) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199783) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199780) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199765) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199737) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199721) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199708) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199695) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199682) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199639) said:@hobbo1 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199636) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199628) said:@happy_tiger said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199606) said:What about Brooks
Koepka ....champion golfer
Brooks was terrible
7 or 6 he’s rubbish
He’s so robotic and has no rhythm or feel for the game
He’s gone backwards under Madge (as has every back).
100%, not one back has improved outside of Nofa
Talau has been really good. Leilua is brand new, we’ve had two debutants on the wing along with Jennings who’s woeful and Corey was just as good as last year on the wing. Doueihi has been solid too. Not a very fair comments
I think it is, Doueihi has got worse as the season progressed, Talau has been ok but its his 1st year, BJ has not had the same impact for us, Mbye speaks for itself, Benji is not getting any better, Brooks is a shadow of the player he was, Reynold's game is not improving. I'm not suggesting we sack him, but there are things to be concerned about as I stated last week.
Doueihi has been injured and has still been quite solid. Been less involved when our forwards have been getting rolled which is a lot lately, we’ve won 1 out of our last 5 don’t forget hard for anyone to look good. BJ went from a grand final team to us of course he won’t look as good. Benji has played a year too long, Brooks is the big one that I’m questioning. Don’t think you can blame the coach besides Brooks, but he was great last year under Madge as well so who knows
To be honest, I don't really see anything that much different from Doueihi to what I saw at Souths, Mbye has dropped away enormously as well. I'm not arguing against Madge, just concerned about the lack of improvement in our skill players.
Mbye was never that good in the first place. I would argue he played just as good at bulldogs. Our forwards have improved a lot but it’s clear we need to sign some new halves and give Mbye the boot.
I agree our forwards have improved, Lucy is playing great football. I just feel Madge is a better coach of forwards than backs.
You’re probably right in that regard. He’s always done well with the forwards
I'd like to see us find him an attack orientated assistant, something like what the Panthers have done with Barrett. I don't know who but feel that would assist us greatly moving forward.
@bigsiro said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199960) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199844) said:@Sco77y said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199812) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199750) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199745) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199743) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199721) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199708) said:@JoshColeman99 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199695) said:@cochise said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199682) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199639) said:@hobbo1 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199636) said:@avocadoontoast said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199628) said:@happy_tiger said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199606) said:What about Brooks
Koepka ....champion golfer
Brooks was terrible
7 or 6 he’s rubbish
He’s so robotic and has no rhythm or feel for the game
He’s gone backwards under Madge (as has every back).
100%, not one back has improved outside of Nofa
Talau has been really good. Leilua is brand new, we’ve had two debutants on the wing along with Jennings who’s woeful and Corey was just as good as last year on the wing. Doueihi has been solid too. Not a very fair comments
I think it is, Doueihi has got worse as the season progressed, Talau has been ok but its his 1st year, BJ has not had the same impact for us, Mbye speaks for itself, Benji is not getting any better, Brooks is a shadow of the player he was, Reynold's game is not improving. I'm not suggesting we sack him, but there are things to be concerned about as I stated last week.
Doueihi has been injured and has still been quite solid. Been less involved when our forwards have been getting rolled which is a lot lately, we’ve won 1 out of our last 5 don’t forget hard for anyone to look good. BJ went from a grand final team to us of course he won’t look as good. Benji has played a year too long, Brooks is the big one that I’m questioning. Don’t think you can blame the coach besides Brooks, but he was great last year under Madge as well so who knows
You are really clutching at straws. Madge is not doing a good job, it’s as simple as that.
I have concerns, but I think it would be a mistake to get rid of him now. We do need some stability on the coaching front.
I don’t think it would make a difference mate. We’re regressing under him. It hasn’t worked.
So what coach is going to get this club going? We’ve already burned through about 5 in as many years.. Can we keep blaming the coach every time we suck? Half of our squad is talentless. Any coach is going to need a steady period to iron out this mess.
No idea. But what is fact is that this years team is more his team than last years, and we’re worse.
I think the team on paper still suck, but I agree to some extent; even average players can be taught a system and to execute basics. Look at how may average players have thrived under Bellamy or Bennett. In fact, take any Bellamy or Bennett team: they play boring and predictable rugby league ... but it wins.
This is a **simple game dictated by defence and getting basics right**. I'm going to defend Madge here. **I think he gets the "basics" premise** but I just think the team he has sucks a lot, more than even we think. e.g. it is some sort of bad team when you **can't** afford to drop some of the players on our team.
@hugh1954 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199896) said:Dogs🤗
Roosters😣
Panthers😦
Manly🤗
South🤗
Storm😦
Parra😦
3 more wins
@Lauren said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1199942) said:I obviously don’t have any coaching credentials or expertise so can’t offer one solution sorry @jirskyr. But the one piece advice I will offer - due to watching a dismal Broncos team - is that if something isn’t working or stinks, it needs changing.
@Magpie1969 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1200002) said:Love to be a fly on the wall if Marshall asks for an extension. If Maguire was dead set serious Marshall played his last career game tonight. Big fan but he was shit.
@jirskyr said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1200010) said:@Magpie1969 said in [Knights V Tigers live game thread](/post/1200002) said:Love to be a fly on the wall if Marshall asks for an extension. If Maguire was dead set serious Marshall played his last career game tonight. Big fan but he was shit.
It was definitely old-school Benji Marshall defence tonight. He "did a Doueihi" getting in front of Essay Essay and turning his back, but at least Dou brought Junior Paulo down, not like Benji who basically gave Ese a Jupiter-style gravity slingshot towards the line.