Kyle Lovett gone?

[Cultured_Bogan]

I hope he stays on TBH. He was one of our big improvers last year and while not an X-factor he is solid.

The alleged charge is possession, and he hasn't tested positive to anything (although I'd wager ASADA will harass him for a while now,) and as such he hasn't broken any doping rules. He shouldn't be sacked if wifebeaters, guys who beat people to within an inch of their life and dopers are allowed to continue on.

Most people in everyday life wouldn't be sacked as their employers likely wouldn't know about it.

 

[Geo]

As a General note…PLEASE by mindful of posting Rumour and speculation until this matter has been before the Courts...

Thank You..

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Precedence about other players are really irrelevant… None of those [except Lui under a very old administration] played for the Tigers.

This will be a matter for the board to set whatever examples they want to set for the future.

I'd sack him and resign him on a lessor contract :sunglasses:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I know precedence is not binding, but all things being equal he shouldn't be sacked where others have committed far worse and are still playing the game.

 

[2041]

I reckon the cap stuff is either incorrect rumour or deliberate misinformation. If any player gets arrested, charged and has a court appearance pending but doesn't tell the club about it for a month that's grounds for immediate termination. If the club just wanted Lovett's salary off the books they would have sacked him already.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I reckon the cap stuff is either incorrect rumour or deliberate misinformation. If any player gets arrested, charged and has a court appearance pending but doesn't tell the club about it for a month that's grounds for immediate termination. If the club just wanted Lovett's salary off the books they would have sacked him already.

So in case the club did punt him they could run the whole "they only sacked him because they were in cap trouble"?

 

[2041]

I reckon the cap stuff is either incorrect rumour or deliberate misinformation. If any player gets arrested, charged and has a court appearance pending but doesn't tell the club about it for a month that's grounds for immediate termination. If the club just wanted Lovett's salary off the books they would have sacked him already.

So in case the club did punt him they could run the whole "they only sacked him because they were in cap trouble"?

This is the Telegraph we're talking about, right? When did they last go with the editorial line of "we ought to take a softer approach on drug offenders"?

There is a serious point here. If the club is going to make decisions based on what it thinks is going to play best in the media they might as well give up on this one. Keep Lovett and the Tele can go with "Tigers soft on drugs", sack him and they can use "Tigers sack player to relieve cap pressure". It's a no win, but equally actually it's a no lose. Make a decision for the best of the club and stand by it. If the media is going to crucify them for that, so be it - it could happen whatever they do.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You're right as it is a win-win for the Telegraph. You've got a scandal either way.

I don't think they should sack him. Yeah cocaine is naughty we all get that but unless he gets a gaol term that precludes him from playing or he tests positive to it and cannot play due a ban, he should be no more likely to be sacked than Joe Q. Public.

 

[Sabre]

I knew something was cooking 😱pen_mouth: .

So many would be surprised at the wide use of the white stuff throughout the NRL players .
The bad thing for Lovett is he is easily replaceable and a young stupid mistake might be the end of his opportunity that he got in playing NRL , with many thinking his already overachieved by playing 1 NRL game.

This will be really interesting what our Club does with this matter as it has already said " As an Organisation we don't condone this " so really if found Guilty by the Courts you would think his Contract will be determinated by the Club especially if we are supposedly having Salary Cap issues.

At the same token i bet my bottom dollar if this happened to a player like Tedesco ? No way he would get the sack no matter if found Guilty.
This could be the end for Lovett but i would give him a 2nd chance and make him visit some Patients that are going through Drug Rehab….will wake up to himself with some of the stories of some hardship that some of these people have gone through and make him realise just how fortunate he is to be an NRL player.

From what I've heard it's very common place at other clubs - even at formal events.

Maybe that's why we don't win enough games…

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Yes James tedeseco would fall under the well defined principle of law I am James Tedesco defence.

So he should. I cant really see what Lovett did as being athat big of a deal. Barba beat up his missus and has been done for cocaine twice and that slimy little flog is still set to run around in the NRL again this season, why shouldn't Lovett be shown some leniency? You could rattle off a dozen vermin that have played in the NRL recently for far worse transgressions eg Barba, Packer, Wicks, Auvuaa, Lui, Gallen, Ferguson…......depends on who you are and who you play for i guess.
If WT want to keep Lovett then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a slap on the wrist and that should be the end of the matter. Just weasel out of it, Broncos-style. They are the masters of it.

Will the Nrl impose a band if lovette found guilty. If they do and impose a 1 year band . What would happen to the cap in that case. They'd have to sack him.

I hope that the band is someone like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or Deep Purple a really good band.

Each of which have taken their own fair share of the snorting stuff over the years I'd imagine. Maybe a better option would be a Wiggles kind of band or Ricky martin or….nah, they're the only clean ones I can think of.

 

[PD77]

So he should. I cant really see what Lovett did as being athat big of a deal. Barba beat up his missus and has been done for cocaine twice and that slimy little flog is still set to run around in the NRL again this season, why shouldn't Lovett be shown some leniency? You could rattle off a dozen vermin that have played in the NRL recently for far worse transgressions eg Barba, Packer, Wicks, Auvuaa, Lui, Gallen, Ferguson…......depends on who you are and who you play for i guess.
If WT want to keep Lovett then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a slap on the wrist and that should be the end of the matter. Just weasel out of it, Broncos-style. They are the masters of it.

Will the Nrl impose a band if lovette found guilty. If they do and impose a 1 year band . What would happen to the cap in that case. They'd have to sack him.

I hope that the band is someone like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or Deep Purple a really good band.

Each of which have taken their own fair share of the snorting stuff over the years I'd imagine. Maybe a better option would be a Wiggles kind of band or Ricky martin or….nah, they're the only clean ones I can think of.

If you were going to impose a band as punishment you wouldn't choose a good one like the Zeppelin etc….. You'd put Nickelback on a continuous loop and watch him slowly go crazy. This is how you remind me...Of what I really am :crazy

 

[Newtown]

I knew something was cooking 😱pen_mouth: .

So many would be surprised at the wide use of the white stuff throughout the NRL players .
The bad thing for Lovett is he is easily replaceable and a young stupid mistake might be the end of his opportunity that he got in playing NRL , with many thinking his already overachieved by playing 1 NRL game.

This will be really interesting what our Club does with this matter as it has already said " As an Organisation we don't condone this " so really if found Guilty by the Courts you would think his Contract will be determinated by the Club especially if we are supposedly having Salary Cap issues.

At the same token i bet my bottom dollar if this happened to a player like Tedesco ? No way he would get the sack no matter if found Guilty.
This could be the end for Lovett but i would give him a 2nd chance and make him visit some Patients that are going through Drug Rehab….will wake up to himself with some of the stories of some hardship that some of these people have gone through and make him realise just how fortunate he is to be an NRL player.

From what I've heard it's very common place at other clubs - even at formal events.

Maybe that's why we don't win enough games…

If it is so commonplace at other clubs that would suggest chronic use. Considering the following facts will provide the answer to why the drug is not ideal for NRL players and why such players don't help their team to win games;

Addiction experts in psychiatry, chemistry, pharmacology, forensic science, epidemiology, and the police and legal services engaged in delphic analysis regarding 20 popular recreational drugs. Cocaine was ranked the 2nd in dependence and physical harm and 3rd in social harm.[35]

With excessive or prolonged use, the drug can cause itching, fast heart rate, hallucinations, and paranoid delusions. Overdoses cause hyperthermia and a marked elevation of blood pressure, which can be life-threatening, arrhythmias, and death.

Anxiety, paranoia, and restlessness can also occur, especially during the comedown. With excessive dosage, tremors, convulsions and increased body temperature are observed. Severe cardiac adverse events, particularly sudden cardiac death, become a serious risk at high doses due to cocaine's blocking effect on cardiac sodium channels

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I wonder what situation it was for the cops to charge him. Just thinking if found guilty what consequence this will have now having a criminal record.

It is up to the judge if he gets a criminal record.i am only a layman but i dont think it is automatic if found guilty.

A little bit more nuanced than that. Assuming he pleads guilty, to avoid a criminal record he will need to apply for an order that the offence is proved but no conviction be recorded. Im not too sure what the prospects are of getting such an order for drug possession.

Interestingly, if he does get convicted, that will hurt the chances of the Tigers being able to offload him to an English club.

I may be wrong, but I would think that if he is convicted, that it wouldn't worry the club at all.
In fact it could be just what they need.
They were supposed to be shopping him around.
JT, when asked what was happening with him said "He's here at this stage"
Doesn't sound like he was indispensable for anytime in the future.
A conviction would probably give the club the chance to can him and his contract.
Thus saving his payment( reportedly $200,000) without paying any of it to him to play at another club.
The must be rubbing their hands together.

 

[vlad]

Will the Nrl impose a band if lovette found guilty. If they do and impose a 1 year band . What would happen to the cap in that case. They'd have to sack him.

I hope that the band is someone like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or Deep Purple a really good band.

Each of which have taken their own fair share of the snorting stuff over the years I'd imagine. Maybe a better option would be a Wiggles kind of band or Ricky martin or….nah, they're the only clean ones I can think of.

If you were going to impose a band as punishment you wouldn't choose a good one like the Zeppelin etc….. You'd put Nickelback on a continuous loop and watch him slowly go crazy. This is how you remind me...Of what I really am :crazy

Speaking of nickelback …. uncle rob knows how to deal with them ...

https://youtu.be/tAXJjOZyhuQ

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

What a waste of a perfectly good guitar, but we all know the axe is soiled once you play Nickelback on it and it must be destroyed.

 

[2041]

I knew something was cooking 😱pen_mouth: .

So many would be surprised at the wide use of the white stuff throughout the NRL players .
The bad thing for Lovett is he is easily replaceable and a young stupid mistake might be the end of his opportunity that he got in playing NRL , with many thinking his already overachieved by playing 1 NRL game.

This will be really interesting what our Club does with this matter as it has already said " As an Organisation we don't condone this " so really if found Guilty by the Courts you would think his Contract will be determinated by the Club especially if we are supposedly having Salary Cap issues.

At the same token i bet my bottom dollar if this happened to a player like Tedesco ? No way he would get the sack no matter if found Guilty.
This could be the end for Lovett but i would give him a 2nd chance and make him visit some Patients that are going through Drug Rehab….will wake up to himself with some of the stories of some hardship that some of these people have gone through and make him realise just how fortunate he is to be an NRL player.

From what I've heard it's very common place at other clubs - even at formal events.

Maybe that's why we don't win enough games…

If it is so commonplace at other clubs that would suggest chronic use. Considering the following facts will provide the answer to why the drug is not ideal for NRL players and why such players don't help their team to win games;

Addiction experts in psychiatry, chemistry, pharmacology, forensic science, epidemiology, and the police and legal services engaged in delphic analysis regarding 20 popular recreational drugs. Cocaine was ranked the 2nd in dependence and physical harm and 3rd in social harm.[35]

With excessive or prolonged use, the drug can cause itching, fast heart rate, hallucinations, and paranoid delusions. Overdoses cause hyperthermia and a marked elevation of blood pressure, which can be life-threatening, arrhythmias, and death.

Anxiety, paranoia, and restlessness can also occur, especially during the comedown. With excessive dosage, tremors, convulsions and increased body temperature are observed. Severe cardiac adverse events, particularly sudden cardiac death, become a serious risk at high doses due to cocaine's blocking effect on cardiac sodium channels

Come on, seriously. "Commonplace" doesn't suggest chronic use at all. I mean, I think it's fair to say that players' use of beer is pretty commonplace but you don't go round posting Wikipedia or whatever on the effects of long-term alcoholism do you? Some people become alcoholics, but lots more can have a beer - even quite a few, quite often - and not become alcoholics.

Don't get the wrong idea: I'm not encouraging cocaine use for anyone, let alone elite athletes. But be realistic: lots of people use drugs, and most of them end up fine. If we want to encourage young people not to get into drugs the scare stories aren't going to work. When I was a kid I could see people smoking dope or taking pills and cocaine and not turning into psychotic wrecks or hopeless addicts. Saying, basically, if you have a bit of coke at a party here and there you're one stop from the morgue is just patently daft.

 

[Swordy]

The drugs are good or drugs are bad argument is fir some other serious forum.

The facts are, even if Lovett is found not guilty of drug posession, he did not tell his employer as per his contract, or as per common sense and respect for your employer. He is a professional and should not put himself in this position.

Im not sure how anyone can bag the WT administration. They werent at Pyrmont with something suspicious in their posession allegedly. Save your angst for Lovett and his manager, who would almost certainly have known and would have almost certainly have 'planned' a situation where Lovetts employer looks bad if they sack him.

 

[foreveratiger]

I wonder what situation it was for the cops to charge him. Just thinking if found guilty what consequence this will have now having a criminal record.

It is up to the judge if he gets a criminal record.i am only a layman but i dont think it is automatic if found guilty.

A little bit more nuanced than that. Assuming he pleads guilty, to avoid a criminal record he will need to apply for an order that the offence is proved but no conviction be recorded. Im not too sure what the prospects are of getting such an order for drug possession.

Interestingly, if he does get convicted, that will hurt the chances of the Tigers being able to offload him to an English club.

I may be wrong, but I would think that if he is convicted, that it wouldn't worry the club at all.
In fact it could be just what they need.
They were supposed to be shopping him around.
JT, when asked what was happening with him said "He's here at this stage"
Doesn't sound like he was indispensable for anytime in the future.
A conviction would probably give the club the chance to can him and his contract.
Thus saving his payment( reportedly $200,000) without paying any of it to him to play at another club.
The must be rubbing their hands together.

Yeah your spot on GT , if his found Guilty the Club would be in a win win situation cause they would be relieved of Salary Cap issues by sacking him .
Maybe JT knows the action the Club will be taking if found Guilty hence that reply.

Another thing is after last year's fiasco the Club probably can't afford the backlash they might get if they keep a player who is Guilty .
Interesting times nonetheless .

 

[gallagher]

I would hope that if the club want to get rid of him for salary cap reasons, and he's found guilty of drug possession, then they would take advantage of that and sack him. That's what a smart club would do.
Everyone has to live with their mistakes.

 

[foreveratiger]

The drugs are good or drugs are bad argument is fir some other serious forum.

The facts are, even if Lovett is found not guilty of drug posession, he did not tell his employer as per his contract, or as per common sense and respect for your employer. He is a professional and should not put himself in this position.

Im not sure how anyone can bag the WT administration. They werent at Pyrmont with something suspicious in their posession allegedly. Save your angst for Lovett and his manager, who would almost certainly have known and would have almost certainly have 'planned' a situation where Lovetts employer looks bad if they sack him.

I personally feel the Club has nothing to be blamed for , these guys are bloody Adults for crying out loud they know the risks there placing themselves in when they are going out.