Kyle Lovett gone?

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What a load of rubbish. I will be disappointed if a mediocre talent with a drug bust gets a run in FG again with our club.

You should probably prepare to be disappointed then.
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:smiley: long time supporter so I'm always ready for disappointment.
 
Very disappointing punishment. Or lack thereof. 2 games and $5k? That's bloody weak for a player found guilty of possessing drugs
 
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I know for a period of time and may still do Brisbane acknowledge there was a bad culture in footy in that good players were not being treated harshly by administration when caught drugs . As a result Brisbane introduced their own internal random drug testing and a system for offenders along the lines of receiving support and 3 strike rule you are out. No matter who you were same rules applied. tigertown should introduce something similar.
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Not doubting what you may know Nucky but I highly doubt Brisbane would come down as hard on a star player as they would on a nobody.
Darren Lockyer was strongly rumoured to get stuck into cocaine during his playing days, not much come of that from the Broncos management. Brisbane talk a good game, maybe that is why all of the dramas that surface from within their club are swiftly swept out of sight.
 
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Interesting that Lovett's sentence is quite light compared to Tim Simona's predicted demise. Simona, if guilty was affecting the integrity of the game but a player knowingly suffering the after effects of drugs and playing NRL must also be affecting the integrity of the game. A highly possible scenario could be -a gambler or bookmaker knows that player X was on drugs before the game and therefore tailor their bets to suit, let alone a scenario that said gambler or bookmaker actually give the drugs to players X,Y and/or Z before the game.

Either way, zero tolerance for mine.
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If you think a player taking recreational drugs in the off-season is "affecting the integrity of the game" presumably you'd also be in favour of rubbing out any player who got pissed, ever?

I mean, be serious. You can be as anti-drugs as you want (I wouldn't agree, personally, but if you want to argue that recreational drug taking should result in more serious bans that's fine). Simona may have been actually throwing matches, and "integrity of the game" literally means "can fans trust that they're watching a fair contest". If you genuinely believe you can't trust the product in front of you because one of the players took drugs three months previously I have to say you're being a bit precious.
 
Why is this dud still contracted to us ohhh hang on MG and JT love child fair dinkum he got done for Coke ( and not the bottled variety) yet we give him a slap on the wrist and a bull#### penalty, he'll I would have kept sironen over this over rated grub
 
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Why is this dud still contracted to us ohhh hang on MG and JT love child fair dinkum he got done for Coke ( and not the bottled variety) yet we give him a slap on the wrist and a bull#### penalty, he'll I would have kept sironen over this over rated grub
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Would you be calling for Tedesco to be sacked if it were him?
 
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Why is this dud still contracted to us ohhh hang on MG and JT love child fair dinkum he got done for Coke ( and not the bottled variety) yet we give him a slap on the wrist and a bull#### penalty, he'll I would have kept sironen over this over rated grub
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Would you be calling for Tedesco to be sacked if it were him?
 
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I know for a period of time and may still do Brisbane acknowledge there was a bad culture in footy in that good players were not being treated harshly by administration when caught drugs . As a result Brisbane introduced their own internal random drug testing and a system for offenders along the lines of receiving support and 3 strike rule you are out. No matter who you were same rules applied. tigertown should introduce something similar.

Not doubting what you may know Nucky but I highly doubt Brisbane would come down as hard on a star player as they would on a nobody.
Darren Lockyer was strongly rumoured to get stuck into cocaine during his playing days, not much come of that from the Broncos management. Brisbane talk a good game, maybe that is why all of the dramas that surface from within their club are swiftly swept out of sight.
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read it in wayne bennett book was published 2007 i think. Thought it was a good idea nonetheless. He acknowledged there was unfairness to good players which was the reason of such policy …
 
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I know for a period of time and may still do Brisbane acknowledge there was a bad culture in footy in that good players were not being treated harshly by administration when caught drugs . As a result Brisbane introduced their own internal random drug testing and a system for offenders along the lines of receiving support and 3 strike rule you are out. No matter who you were same rules applied. tigertown should introduce something similar.

Not doubting what you may know Nucky but I highly doubt Brisbane would come down as hard on a star player as they would on a nobody.
Darren Lockyer was strongly rumoured to get stuck into cocaine during his playing days, not much come of that from the Broncos management. Brisbane talk a good game, maybe that is why all of the dramas that surface from within their club are swiftly swept out of sight.

read it in wayne bennett book was published 2007 i think. Thought it was a good idea nonetheless. He acknowledged there was unfairness to good players which was the reason of such policy …
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Taken with a grain of salt, I have heard anecdotes of LOADS of footballers enjoying the nose candy. It's always been a drug of the well-paid young party set, which is exactly what football is.

One of the best rumours I heard was Anthony Miniciello's wedding, where all the players past and present got into the talc, including Brad Fittler, all off their tits.

I've heard rumours of players offering cocaine as payment for things like cleaners or food delivery etc.

Even if 5% of what I've heard is true, that still makes for a lot of drug abuse. The ADF reports that 2.1% of all Australians over 14 y.o. have taken cocaine within the last 12 months, and there's no reason why this would not apply to footballers too (and arguably you could say at least 2% of them).
 
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I know for a period of time and may still do Brisbane acknowledge there was a bad culture in footy in that good players were not being treated harshly by administration when caught drugs . As a result Brisbane introduced their own internal random drug testing and a system for offenders along the lines of receiving support and 3 strike rule you are out. No matter who you were same rules applied. tigertown should introduce something similar.

Not doubting what you may know Nucky but I highly doubt Brisbane would come down as hard on a star player as they would on a nobody.
Darren Lockyer was strongly rumoured to get stuck into cocaine during his playing days, not much come of that from the Broncos management. Brisbane talk a good game, maybe that is why all of the dramas that surface from within their club are swiftly swept out of sight.

read it in wayne bennett book was published 2007 i think. Thought it was a good idea nonetheless. He acknowledged there was unfairness to good players which was the reason of such policy …

Taken with a grain of salt, I have heard anecdotes of LOADS of footballers enjoying the nose candy. It's always been a drug of the well-paid young party set, which is exactly what football is.

One of the best rumours I heard was Anthony Miniciello's wedding, where all the players past and present got into the talc, including Brad Fittler, all off their tits.

I've heard rumours of players offering cocaine as payment for things like cleaners or food delivery etc.

Even if 5% of what I've heard is true, that still makes for a lot of drug abuse. The ADF reports that 2.1% of all Australians over 14 y.o. have taken cocaine within the last 12 months, and there's no reason why this would not apply to footballers too (and arguably you could say at least 2% of them).
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yeh its everywhere these days, i see that.

More testing would be good with such a young squad like ours.
 
So much for "culture change" at the club unless by that it means JT and the club thinks taking illegal drugs is a minor offence."Culture change" what a farce.
If JT thought it was serious Lovett would have got a hell of a lot more than he did.Very poor outcome.
 
yeh but its a case where lovett not a very good player so the easy decision would of been to let him go - going on the assumption he would not be picked up by another club (which not sure if would be the case) i think the club has done the right thing from a duty of care perspective or general decency perspective, i'm hoping he plays in reserve grade all year as a consequence which I hope they would do with every player even if its one of our stars
 
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Interesting that Lovett's sentence is quite light compared to Tim Simona's predicted demise. Simona, if guilty was affecting the integrity of the game but a player knowingly suffering the after effects of drugs and playing NRL must also be affecting the integrity of the game. A highly possible scenario could be -a gambler or bookmaker knows that player X was on drugs before the game and therefore tailor their bets to suit, let alone a scenario that said gambler or bookmaker actually give the drugs to players X,Y and/or Z before the game.

Either way, zero tolerance for mine.

If you think a player taking recreational drugs in the off-season is "affecting the integrity of the game" presumably you'd also be in favour of rubbing out any player who got pissed, ever?

I mean, be serious. You can be as anti-drugs as you want (I wouldn't agree, personally, but if you want to argue that recreational drug taking should result in more serious bans that's fine). Simona may have been actually throwing matches, and "integrity of the game" literally means "can fans trust that they're watching a fair contest". If you genuinely believe you can't trust the product in front of you because one of the players took drugs three months previously I have to say you're being a bit precious.
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Why would somebody who takes a "recreational" (read drug of addiction) drug in the off season not use it during the season? The scourge of drugs in sport certainly makes this fan wonder if he can trust that he is watching a fair contest. Can a player who takes "recreational" drugs train and play at the same level as one who is not affected? I doubt it.

Illegal bookmakers are always on the lookout for ways to alter the outcomes of contests in all sports and I don't believe that it's inconceivable that they could make drugs available to certain players as a trade off for doing their bidding, aside from the effect that those drugs may have on performance generally. When players associate with criminals to buy their drugs, as they must, the door is opened to all manner of corruption, including illegal betting so, no, I don't think I'm drawing a particularly long bow here.

I won't address your comment about alcohol in any depth, except to say that it astounds me that professional athletes drink heavily whilst they are training and playing and I would like to see clubs ban alcohol but again the almighty advertising dollar would preclude this from happening. Your extension of my post to presume that I'd like to see any player "who got pissed, ever" is putting words in my mouth and I'm realistic enough to know that this is impossible but "recreational" drugs, as you put it is a horse of a different colour.

"Be serious", I am quite serious but this is a debate that will have no conclusion until the authorities get serious about this.
 
Alcohol is a recreational drug and was at some points illegal in western societies, whilst others that are now banned were legal. I am not a big drinker, but it is probably one of the worst drugs of the lot.

Youths (most) are going to try recreational drugs of various types and I would much rather decriminalisation and controlled production than reading about twenty people fighting for their lives from a bad batch of whatever. Not to mention the partial erasing of the criminal element that peddle them.

Lovett has been punished and the penalty fits the crime.
 
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