Lachlan Galvin #277 *Megathread*

[Buttface]

Hi guys haven't been up to date with what's happening with him regarding a possible player swap and who we could be looking at, unfortunately we've had a bit going on up here in taree this week

Suns out about 40 mins north. All morning, not a single cloud.
How’s it looking down there?
Upwardly, don’t look down yet it’s still wet and muddy.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

Exactly! Words are bullsh!t.

Gus goldfish Gould makes a habit of defiantly denying interest in a player only to come out and say months later that was then this is now to justify his porkys.

The best one was saying they have no interest in Ciraldo as their coach but then what do you know, the classic bullshit artist.

Can just see him smirking in his office with his sidekicks laughing and saying nothing personal just business.

 

[Buttface]

And Gus said emphatically that the Bulldogs have no interest in Lachlan Galvin - s@$_t has changed and so have both clubs stance and probably for good reason. You are either with ius or your not.

Pus will say whatever whenever to suit his agenda. He is a consistent liar, and a lot of us knew he was only doing it to sign him from the first moment he called his name.

With us or against us. 👍🏻

 

[GCfan]

Go on LinkedIn and look at the profiles of young professionals in their mid 20’s. They’ve all had half a dozen jobs, none lasting more than 24 months. It’s the way of the world.

Side note, has anybody else noticed the amount of people on LinkedIn who are working in a role someplace but actually have that “open to work” halo around their profile pic? I’ve not paid a lot of attention until I’ve noticed some of my colleagues with it on their profile. Bit awkward with the boss when they ask about it….

 

[Tucker]

You don’t break contract , you don’t bag your club , and you don’t go and sign for your teams rival .
Break any of those tenants and you’re putting yourself in harms way , with the fans and the zeitgeist .
It’s just the way it is .

Everything you have said is old fashioned.
Players break contract every year. Clubs break contract every year.
Players sign for whoever they can. They dont care about petty rivalries. In fact rivalries are the domain of fandom only. The players couldnt give a toss about them.
I agree that you shouldnt bag your club but once again, it happens a lot.
Thats where I think Lachlan erred. He didnt need to give a reason. We likely work it out on our own without being spoonfed.
Benji couldnt coach a fish to swim.

 

[Buttface]

Gus goldfish Gould makes a habit of defiantly denying interest in a player only to come out and say months later that was then this is now to justify his porkys.

The best one was saying they have no interest in Ciraldo as their coach but then what do you know, the classic bullshit artist.

Can just see him smirking in his office with his sidekicks laughing and saying nothing personal just business.

Yeah, I hate him so much, I wish he was here. 🤷‍♂️
Hate is a strong word, I don’t really spend time hating him, but you know what I mean Rock.
He has the nrl under his foot and it’s like they don’t even know it. I wish we had someone who can get away with the crappolla that he does working for us.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

Yeah, I hate him so much, I wish he was here. 🤷‍♂️
Hate is a strong word, I don’t really spend time hating him, but you know what I mean Rock.
He has the nrl under his foot and it’s like they don’t even know it. I wish we had someone who can get away with the crappolla that he does working for us.

We should have grabbed him when the riff showed him the door, we would be a much stronger club now B.

 

[Tucker]

Gus goldfish Gould makes a habit of defiantly denying interest in a player only to come out and say months later that was then this is now to justify his porkys.

The best one was saying they have no interest in Ciraldo as their coach but then what do you know, the classic bullshit artist.

Can just see him smirking in his office with his sidekicks laughing and saying nothing personal just business.

Yep...and he'd be correct. You never give a mug a break. Hopefully one day we'll learn to not be that mug.

 

[Tucker]

Words are bullsh!t.

Theres a quote...was it Shakespeare?

 

[weststigers]

He has never said it however it may well be what he meant.
If so, he is right.
Benji is a useless coach.
Its not all his fault - hes had no preparation or training.
If he was behind Sheens getting the chop early though...well you reap what you sew.

At this point in the season, can we say that he is a useless coach?

He has 5 wins. Could be 8 (Souths, Newcastle and Warriors). 2 points off 5th.

Lots of teams below us with "better" coaching pedigree.

Shouldn't we wait for the season to pan out? Seems to be doing better than any other coach over the last few seasons so far.

I just think once Galvin goes and we can get rid of that weekly talking point, things will settle down.

 

[Kelce68]

my opinion is that Galvin kisses his dad on the lips.

Oh, we shouldn't be doing that?...

... 😅

 

[Tucker]

This concept may be old-fashioned to you but I kind of like it.

Thats all well and good, but at the end of the day we live in a dog eat dog world and employment loyalty is rarely rewarded to the same extent that those who go and get their piece recieve.
These kids may not get the big dollars with better clubs, but theyll play finals and win premierships and make rep squads. To genuine footballers, Galvin and TDS are both that, it is worth more.

 

[Kelce68]

I think we are saying the same thing. TDS and Galvin should have only debuted this year. They aren’t as good as Benji and Robbie at the same age, I absolutely agree.
Where we differ is I don’t think they should have to show loyalty simply because we debuted them early. It is a very old fashioned concept.
Go on LinkedIn and look at the profiles of young professionals in their mid 20’s. They’ve all had half a dozen jobs, none lasting more than 24 months. It’s the way of the world.

I agree with you.

But the two aren't mutually exclusive. Just because we live in a more flexible and modern working world, there still remains and will always remain, a place for loyalty.

There are still examples all across the league, to this day, of players staying loyal to their incumbent club, in, and for, a variety of contexts.

One's junior and debuting club, especially where there is a clear pathway for you (as with Tallyn) is as good a reason as any to expect loyalty.

I like the concept of player loyalty.

Whilst I understand it's nowhere near as common or practical as it used to be, it still exists and that is thanks in large part, to those in the game who still continue to encourage loyalty as a personal and/or cultural quality, particularly as it pertains to footy.

... Even if it's not common any more.

 

[Tucker]

At this point in the season, can we say that he is a useless coach?

He has 5 wins. Could be 8 (Souths, Newcastle and Warriors). 2 points off 5th.

Lots of teams below us with "better" coaching pedigree.

Shouldn't we wait for the season to pan out? Seems to be doing better than any other coach over the last few seasons so far.

I just think once Galvin goes and we can get rid of that weekly talking point, things will settle down.

Yes we can.
He has proven it for a couple of seasons now.
Of course we should wait for the season to pan out, but surely hes unlikely to proceed to next year unless things improve.

 

[Tucker]

I agree with you.

But the two aren't mutually exclusive. Just because we live in a more flexible and modern working world, there still remains and will always remain, a place for loyalty.

There are still examples all across the league, to this day, of players staying loyal to their incumbent club, in, and for, a variety of contexts.

One's junior and debuting club, especially where there is a clear pathway for you (as with Tallyn) is as good a reason as any to expect loyalty.

I like the concept of player loyalty.

Whilst I understand it's nowhere near as common or practical as it used to be, it still exists and that is thanks in large part, to those in the game who still continue to encourage loyalty as a personal and/or cultural quality, particularly as it pertains to footy.

... Even if it's not common any more.

Its a romantic concept.
Its also a foolish one.
Look at Brooks. He stayed loyal, saw no success and copped shit for it left right and centre. He finally says screw this, I want something better and plays finals his first year away and gets selected for the PMs 13 where he plays very well.
Im sure part of him thinks he wasted a decade being loyal whilst those who flew the coop were rewarded. As a 28 year old he stood up and took what he wanted.

 

[Kelce68]

Yes we can.
He has proven it for a couple of seasons now.
Of course we should wait for the season to pan out, but surely hes unlikely to proceed to next year unless things improve.

Many shortcomings no doubt.

But we're two dropped balls over the line from being equal third (on points) at the halfway point of the season.

You don't get a first grade team to that position, after 3 spoons, with the skinniest and youngest squad in the league, if you can't coach.

You simply don't.

 

[Kelce68]

Its a romantic concept.
Its also a foolish one.
Look at Brooks. He stayed loyal, saw no success and copped shit for it left right and centre. He finally says screw this, I want something better and plays finals his first year away and gets selected for the PMs 13 where he plays very well.

Brooks saw no success and copped shit in spite of his loyalty, not because of it. He copped shit because of output and lack of results. Literally nothing else. In fact, he's one of the few players who people wished well once he left, why? Because, in spite of his lack of results over the years, the fans and club recognised what he gave to the jersey over the years, particularly being the only one of that crop to stay the course.

Don't forget that he turned down several big offers along the way. Newcastle nearly had him for big money at one point.

His loyalty played no baring on his success as a footballer. The side, squad and development around him did. As did his own poor performances.

Additionally, he didn't experience better results last year (he's going wonderfully average this year) because of his decision to move on, it was because he landed in a better team.

There's plenty of examples of players experiencing success following showing loyalty to their team (look at the Stewart-era Manly sides for eg).

There's also plenty of examples of players who move on early, don't 'show loyalty' and don't go on to have success (Woodsy would be the poster boy).

Loyalty itself is not foolish, in fact, it's a desirable personality trait. And one that whilst not required or expected, should be continued to be advocated for in my opinion.

For what it's worth too, clubs need a little more of it themselves.

 

[Tucker]

Many shortcomings no doubt.

But we're two dropped balls over the line from being equal third (on points) at the halfway point of the season.

You don't get a first grade team to that position, after 3 spoons, in the skinny squad in the league, if you can't coach.

You simply don't.

Yes, with an elite half, an elite outside back, 1 very strong prop and another who is renowned for his explosiveness from the bench and an experienced utility. That group has won 7 grand finals between them. They were added to a group containging experience and some excellent emerging talent.
Weve had a great start, no doubt. The new guys have mostly done an excellent job.
Its also been a funny, topsy turvy competition so far. Surely soon the teams playing good footy will start winning more and those who are playing average or slightly above will slide. Weve been lucky on a couple of occasions.
Player retention is a big concern.
Defence is a big concern.
Player morale isnt looking great.

 

[Kelce68]

Yes, with an elite half, an elite outside back, 1 very strong prop and another who is renowned for his explosiveness from the bench and an experienced utility. That group has won 7 grand finals between them. They were added to a group containging experience and some excellent emerging talent.
Weve had a great start, no doubt. The new guys have mostly done an excellent job.
Its also been a funny, topsy turvy competition so far. Surely soon the teams playing good footy will start winning more and those who are playing average or slightly above will slide. Weve been lucky on a couple of occasions.
Player retention is a big concern.
Defence is a big concern.
Player morale isnt looking great.

Yes, and Benji is a, if not the, key reason we were able to bring those players to the club. Additionally, Bula, Pole, Starford and Doueihi are playing their best footy for a couple of years.

Recruitment and development are big components of coaching - Benji is doing it well.

His game plans, use of the bench and general selections are head scratching at times at best. He's got a lot of work to do.

But ultimately, a coach is judged on winning games.

He's winning games. Ergo, he can coach.

.... Even if he's a very incomplete coach thus far.

 

[Lestronge]

Everything you have said is old fashioned.
Players break contract every year. Clubs break contract every year.
Players sign for whoever they can. They dont care about petty rivalries. In fact rivalries are the domain of fandom only. The players couldnt give a toss about them.
I agree that you shouldnt bag your club but once again, it happens a lot.
Thats where I think Lachlan erred. He didnt need to give a reason. We likely work it out on our own without being spoonfed.
Benji couldnt coach a fish to swim.

Yep agree with all that . What I’m saying is there’s taboos around it . There’s dos and don’ts.
The americanisation of sports around contracts is what you’re talking about . But really , only the nba globally aside from say Ronaldo, has the player been bigger than the clubs they represent . Even Ronaldo has proven to be an albatross as a player , as his counterpart Messi was the embodiment of team first play.
So you can get out of your contract ,leave clubs , do whatever you want really , but the way you do it is really important . Because ultimately it undermines the integrity of the sport . And alienates the biggest stakeholders in the game . Who like said , aside from NBA players , follow the name in the front of the jersey , as opposed to the back .
You may hate every single person at that organisation , but there’s a way to do it .
There’s an nba player at the moment famous for throwing players under the bus and being a petulant [This word has been automatically removed] when he wants out of a club. Did it at Chicago , Minnesota,Philadelphia , Miami and he’s now at Golden State . He’s universally criticised and mocked because of this behaviour . So yes it is a business , there’s a way to do it . and Galvin has taken the Jimmy Butler route , which is simply not the well worn path . Because there’s real value in being a standup guy , especially in a sport where trust is absolutely crucial .
You can call it old fashioned , I call it good parenting , and instilling the correct morality in both your kids , but in Isaac Moses’ the people you’re ultimately in charge of .
Everything this sport does has been a direct repeat of what goes on in the bigger sports around the world . And Universally , I’ll say again , this behaviour is not acceptable . And that’s a good thing . As if it was the way sports generally were/are the integrity of the sport and ultimately the money it generates will be undermined .