Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[weststigers]

He was pretty emphatic about there not being an offer on the table for Latrell.
I thought he really stressed the point actually, then moved to saying he wants people at the club that want to be here.

I get what you are saying, but Webster wouldn't even point out specific development players, nor would he even confirm whether Tigers were having a pre-season bootcamp. Tigers being tight-lipped.

Pascoe can't Glomar ("neither confirm nor deny") because it just invites more speculation.

So by hosing down everything, he depresses any ability for the media to talk about what he says in public. He can lie all he wants - nobody is going to go after Pascoe if he says "haven't spoken to Latrell" online, then we sign him a week later. Nobody is going to care. So it's his best bet.

Lastly, if we actually quote Pascoe verbatim:
"We publicly withdrew our offer to Latrell... we've had no further converation with Latrell through that period."; and
"We have no offer on the table for Latrell at this point."

If he's intending to be technical, note that Pascoe did not emphatically rule out whether or not Tigers would sign or are interesting in signing Latrell. I'm not speculating, I'm just noting what he literally said.

For example, if Pascoe had talked to Latrell's manager, not Latrell, and the deal was signed yesterday, then both the things he said are true - he didn't have a conversation with Latrell and there is no offer on the table, because the offer has been taken up.

Is this your opinion of what is happening or are you trying to explain the concept of being purposely careful with your words to indicate one thing, when actually the opposite is true?

 

[jirskyr]

Is this your opinion of what is happening or are you trying to explain the concept of being purposely careful with your words to indicate one thing, when actually the opposite is true?

I don't have an opinion on what's really happening, I'm just noting that one could argue today that Pascoe pushed us away from Latrell, or left the door open for Latrell with select statements, either of which could be true. Some folks seemed to feel that Pascoe was being honest and emphatic, and I didn't get a feel for that being the case.

And thus if either could be true, it doesn't move the topic forward at this time.

Pascoe could have totally hosed down Latrell today, shut all doors, and he didn't, so it's still a very live topic, despite "no conversations being had".

The minute we hear Roosters releasing Latrell, we'll know it's about to wrap up, and probably not before that.

 

[simonthetiger]

Wow.....I thought he knocked the LM thing completely on the head. Have not spoken to him since the offer was removed seems pretty clear cut to me.

 

[simonthetiger]

And there were several comments from both of them about signing players wanting to be here which IMO is a clear reference and a big rasberry to LM.

 

[Moh]

Wow.....I thought he knocked the LM thing completely on the head. Have not spoken to him since the offer was removed seems pretty clear cut to me.

Agreed, reckon IF (big if) it still happens it won't be this side of Christmas by the sounds of that.

JAC is a potential, but no way is that this weeks signing when he hasn't even sorted a release.

 

[Newtown]

They did seem to weirdly hint that the signing later this week would have "speed and scoring power" :thinking_face:

Although Musgrove seems most likely.

I wouldn't say Musgrove has speed or Scoring power unless you're a team like the Tigers.

Probably thinking that Musgrove could replace Jennings on the wing.

 

[jirskyr]

And there were several comments from both of them about signing players wanting to be here which IMO is a clear reference and a big rasberry to LM.

That's pure speculation.

You may be right, but as soon as you say "I reckon it was a reference" or go looking for subtext, you are wandering down an unmarked path.

Part of my job is writing and reviewing contracts and policies and I'm hyper-sensitive to how easily language is twisted or misunderstood, even if it looks obvious to one person. This is more and more true in today's writing-based social media society.

You can put such a simple statement out and two different people will interpret in two different ways, which just goes to show how inaccurate language can be at representing thought and intent, hence why contracts are so dense and legal jargon is so stupidly involved.

So if Pascoe really wanted to shut the door on Latrell, he could have been absolutely emphatic about it, saying something like "Tigers will not be signing Latrell" or even "Nobody at Tigers have had any form of discussion with Latrell or his representatives in the past 4 weeks and we have no intention of opening up discussions either".

 

[weststigers]

Let's assume we do get him.

If we can add JAC in 2021 and a decent 5/8 and centre in the backs and a prop and back rower in the forwards, we'll be serious top 4 contenders.

Sounds like you dont rate the squad or the young guys coming through. Half those positions we have depth and exciting talent in

I wouldn't say that.

In 2021, we'll lose Benji, so he needs to be replaced.

We never replaced Marsters, so there's your centre and Jennings/Thommo on the wing aren't the fastest pair around.

Packer hasn't been playing great and McQueen is on his last legs.

Now if some guys step up in the meantime, then there's no reason they can't be the replacements, but we are still a few origin/international players away from consistent top 8 finishes.


Momirovski, Talau, Mikale, Aloiai, Garner and a stack of the best young players this club has recruited in years.

People will step up. Its called forward planning and building from within.

I literally just said they might step up...



They already did . As stated by others garner , Mikalele , Clarke , Momirovski all made huge gains this year . McQueen spent most of last year with the Magpies , and the others weren’t in firsts as well . There’s is money , cap space and spots available . Lots of opportunity for a young , hungry gym.

Garner is a revelation, Mikaele and Clarke are still developing and Momirovski is solid without being brilliant.

My point is, they are already signed...the guys I mentioned (Packer, McQueen & Reynolds) are under-performing and are taking up a large part of our cap. We have the opportunity to buy Origin/International class players to take their places - more juniors 'stepping up' isn't going to win us a premiership. We need to surround those guys that have stepped up with some quality.

 

[balmain boy]

And there were several comments from both of them about signing players wanting to be here which IMO is a clear reference and a big rasberry to LM.

A raspberry? Or a you know where we are if you want to get the contract papers out of my drawer.

Hardly definitive, and definitely not a 100% done and dusted ending.

 

[happy_tiger]

But that is the thing with comments like Justin Pascoes

We haven't spoken to LM ..yeah they may have spoken to LM management /guru group

Or maybe Lee with his relationship with Latrell may be speaking to him

All about playing word games like a certain US president did with his dealings with Monica Lewisnki

 

[weststigers]

Is this your opinion of what is happening or are you trying to explain the concept of being purposely careful with your words to indicate one thing, when actually the opposite is true?

I don't have an opinion on what's really happening, I'm just noting that one could argue today that Pascoe pushed us away from Latrell, or left the door open for Latrell with select statements, either of which could be true. Some folks seemed to feel that Pascoe was being honest and emphatic, and I didn't get a feel for that being the case.

And thus if either could be true, it doesn't move the topic forward at this time.

Pascoe could have totally hosed down Latrell today, shut all doors, and he didn't, so it's still a very live topic, despite "no conversations being had".

The minute we hear Roosters releasing Latrell, we'll know it's about to wrap up, and probably not before that.

I think you're over analysing my original post...if you just picked a random post to impart your infinite wisdom upon us, then very good...carry on

 

[Geo]

Chuck Norris counted to Infinity...twice..

About as long as it's taking Latrell Mitchell to sign a contract..

 

[simonthetiger]

Id honestly be stoked if we got LM.....please and thank you, jjust didnt sound promising from what was said.

Never said it was 100%. Hoping we get him actually.

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

his dealings with Monica Lewisnki

Hmmm, well might explain Pascoe's shocker of a hairdo!

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[new smoking gun]

He could of said “tigers are not going to sign latrell for 2020 and beyond” if he really wanted to put to bed the speculation. I’m surprised he didn’t toe that line.... wonder why....

 

[tigerbalm]

If Justin's answer in the Q&A was anything to go by the signing looks very unlikely. No contact since contract was pulled and they are looking for players who want to be here..


Funny thing is, they also mentioned a potential signing is lined up for this week.


that’s JAC

LOL... ok so you went from JAC is a long way from signing with us to JAC is signing this week.


That’s who they are hoping to get done ASAP

I’ll tell you wants Gonna happen very soon. ARROW will be released to Souths. That deal is done, JAC will get his release and come back to tigers. LM will sign on. I’m checking out. You guys are too much.

In other words, you feel like you’ve been caught out yet again with bogus info, and now you’re high tailing it.....Again.


I want a 3 paragraph apology From you when I’m Proven right AGAIN.

Ill name my first born after ya if you're right.

 

[weststigers]

Chuck Norris counted to Infinity...twice..

About as long as it's taking Latrell Mitchell to sign a contract..

Speaking of Chuck...Chuck Norris recently had the idea to sell his urine as a canned beverage. We now know this beverage as Red Bull.

 

[jirskyr]

I think you’re over analysing my original post…if you just picked a random post to impart your infinite wisdom upon us, then very good…carry on

You said Pascoe "was pretty emphatic" about no offer, then "he doesn't seem the type to throw something like that out there to throw people off".

You aren't the first person to say he was emphatic, so my question was - exactly what was Pascoe emphatic about?

"He doesn't seem like" is speculation, right?

So I don't think Pascoe said anything about Latrell today to move the needle in any direction.

If you are taking that personally, I apologise, no offence in tended.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

And there were several comments from both of them about signing players wanting to be here which IMO is a clear reference and a big rasberry to LM.

I see that as a reference to Matterson personally.

 

[rex2ce]

Either we have made no more contact with LM like they said in the QandA or they are keeping it hush hush.

They’ve probably had contact with his manager though