Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[HabboTiger]

reportedly considered taking a pay cut

 

[twentyforty]

Tiger Steve, talking about culture. When the tigers victory song was rewritten, whose idea was it to throw in “on the bus”?
Was it the Wiggles? Justin Pascoe’s? If it was Ivan’s then I want ask a question?
How do the players feel about singing on the bus?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I think we’re all fading away from the fact that a young player is legitimately considering a 600k a year pay cut to pick another team over us

Doesn’t really give the Wests Tigers the best outlook does it.....

I’ve said before - we need to accept this as the current truth and change our culture. We are perennial underachievers and chokers at all levels of the organisation no matter who is involved. This culture now has a stench that is affecting effective recruitment. If we don’t change our culture we will never improve. Successful leaders know the importance of a positive culture. It’s where change


Sorry @Tiger_Steve but these are the posts that do my head in. What is your solution. Who do u bring in thats better then our leadership. Are u sacking everyone or just one person.

Who is the person to turn it around. So many people point out the negatives but have zero thoughts on how to change it.

Facts are we are kicking goals off the field. If you don't see that you are not looking. So that leaves on the field. Who is to blame for that and how do you fix it? Sack another coach, move of a CEO, change the board again.

Honestly stop whinging if you cant value add some kind of solution.

Sorry to upset you and I am not whinging. If you want to sit down I’d be happy to set out a generic strategy aimed at changing culture. Of course to contextualise this i need to be inside the organisation.

I didn’t mention anything about sackings. In fact, quite hard to do and not recommended or necessary.

Who turns it around? Everybody!

Mate there is a lot of stuff I know bugger all about but when it comes to major culture shifting and organisational improvement, I am in my area of expertise. I lead it everyday.

I do see improvement- didn’t say I didn’t. But it will all amount to nothing if we keep losing the clutch moments on and off the field consistently. I guarantee you we lose them because of a deep rooted belief that we can’t win these moments. Others see this, pick up on it and choose to not be part of our organisation.

Not having a go at you but the thing that does my head in is anyone holding a less than glowing view is a whinger. I’m not. I’m a realist and I see a disturbing pattern that has been growing for all bar a dozen weeks or so in 2005. And it’s fixable.

 

[tigerbalm]

I think we’re all fading away from the fact that a young player is legitimately considering a 600k a year pay cut to pick another team over us

Doesn’t really give the Wests Tigers the best outlook does it.....

I’ve said before - we need to accept this as the current truth and change our culture. We are perennial underachievers and chokers at all levels of the organisation no matter who is involved. This culture now has a stench that is affecting effective recruitment. If we don’t change our culture we will never improve. Successful leaders know the importance of a positive culture. It’s where change


Sorry @Tiger_Steve but these are the posts that do my head in. What is your solution. Who do u bring in thats better then our leadership. Are u sacking everyone or just one person.

Who is the person to turn it around. So many people point out the negatives but have zero thoughts on how to change it.

Facts are we are kicking goals off the field. If you don't see that you are not looking. So that leaves on the field. Who is to blame for that and how do you fix it? Sack another coach, move of a CEO, change the board again.

Honestly stop whinging if you cant value add some kind of solution.

Sorry to upset you and I am not whinging. If you want to sit down I’d be happy to set out a generic strategy aimed at changing culture. Of course to contextualise this i need to be inside the organisation.

I didn’t mention anything about sackings. In fact, quite hard to do and not recommended or necessary.

Who turns it around? Everybody!

Mate there is a lot of stuff I know bugger all about but when it comes to major culture shifting and organisational improvement, I am in my area of expertise. I lead it everyday.

I do see improvement- didn’t say I didn’t. But it will all amount to nothing if we keep losing the clutch moments on and off the field consistently. I guarantee you we lose them because of a deep rooted belief that we can’t win these moments. Others see this, pick up on it and choose to not be part of our organisation.

Not having a go at you but the thing that does my head in is anyone holding a less than glowing view is a whinger. I’m not. I’m a realist and I see a disturbing pattern that has been growing for all bar a dozen weeks or so in 2005. And it’s fixable.

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[Spud_Murphy]

Latrell Mitchell will meet with Wayne Bennett to facilitate a move to the Bunnies — and there’s been a stunning development with Jai Arrow.

Staff writers
FOX SPORTSJANUARY 8, 2020 8:07AM

Latrell Mitchell is set to meet with Wayne Bennett this week.Source:Getty Images

Latrell Mitchell will reportedly meet with Souths coach Wayne Bennett in the next few days to work out how to facilitate a move to the Rabbitohs. Mitchell was granted leave by the Sydney Roosters to stay away from pre-season training on Sunday night, and it’s widely believed he’s played his last game for the Bondi glamour club.

The Daily Telegraph reports Mitchell wants to play under Bennett, a seven-time premiership-winning coach renowned as a mentor who players love to play for. The report said the Rabbitohs’ focus was securing an early release for Gold Coast forward Jai Arrow to join the club next season, which could be finalised within 24 hours.

News of Mitchell’s signing being a step closer comes despite Bennett saying last month that he wasn’t interested in bringing Mitchell to the club. **Bennett has previously denied an interest in a player only to sign him weeks later, as was the case when securing James Roberts from the Brisbane Broncos."**We will make a decision based on what money we’ve got left over and what we can and can’t do.”

But in a stunning development, the Telegraph reported that “Arrow’s release from the Titans will be finalised in the next 24 hours.” If Arrow’s release is granted, that means the Rabbitohs could turn their attention to Mitchell, who might be happy to sign a cut-price, one-year deal worth $400,000 at Redfern — having rejected a $1 million contract at Wests Tigers and an $800,000 offer at the Roosters.

One roadblock to the Bunnies securing Mitchell on a cut-price deal is that it would have to be cleared by the game’s salary cap auditor, who will determine his true market value.

It’s understood NRL auditor Richard Gardham has final discretion to determine market value using a list of comparative players to reach his decision.

NRL’s salary cap laws state a player cannot be registered on a contract worth considerably less than his market value.

So in other words Bennett is a compulsive liar, but he’s such a great guy! Still able to attract all the best players.

I’m really over all this BS, tbh. I really wish our club wasn’t involved in it at all. It was fun when reports of Mitchell possibly signing with us first came out, now the whole thing has just become a sick joke.

If Souths do manage to secure him on a 1 year contact for 400k, then I’m done with Rugby League.

 

[tigerap]

Latrell Mitchell will meet with Wayne Bennett to facilitate a move to the Bunnies — and there’s been a stunning development with Jai Arrow.

Staff writers
FOX SPORTSJANUARY 8, 2020 8:07AM

Latrell Mitchell is set to meet with Wayne Bennett this week.Source:Getty Images

Latrell Mitchell will reportedly meet with Souths coach Wayne Bennett in the next few days to work out how to facilitate a move to the Rabbitohs. Mitchell was granted leave by the Sydney Roosters to stay away from pre-season training on Sunday night, and it’s widely believed he’s played his last game for the Bondi glamour club.

The Daily Telegraph reports Mitchell wants to play under Bennett, a seven-time premiership-winning coach renowned as a mentor who players love to play for. The report said the Rabbitohs’ focus was securing an early release for Gold Coast forward Jai Arrow to join the club next season, which could be finalised within 24 hours.

News of Mitchell’s signing being a step closer comes despite Bennett saying last month that he wasn’t interested in bringing Mitchell to the club. **Bennett has previously denied an interest in a player only to sign him weeks later, as was the case when securing James Roberts from the Brisbane Broncos."**We will make a decision based on what money we’ve got left over and what we can and can’t do.”

But in a stunning development, the Telegraph reported that “Arrow’s release from the Titans will be finalised in the next 24 hours.” If Arrow’s release is granted, that means the Rabbitohs could turn their attention to Mitchell, who might be happy to sign a cut-price, one-year deal worth $400,000 at Redfern — having rejected a $1 million contract at Wests Tigers and an $800,000 offer at the Roosters.

One roadblock to the Bunnies securing Mitchell on a cut-price deal is that it would have to be cleared by the game’s salary cap auditor, who will determine his true market value.

It’s understood NRL auditor Richard Gardham has final discretion to determine market value using a list of comparative players to reach his decision.

NRL’s salary cap laws state a player cannot be registered on a contract worth considerably less than his market value.


So in other words Bennett is a compulsive liar, but he’s such a great guy! Still able to attract all the best players.

I’m really over all this BS, tbh. I really wish our club wasn’t involved in it at all. It was fun when reports of Mitchell possibly signing with us first came out, now the whole thing has just become a sick joke.

If Souths do manage to secure him on a 1 year contact for 400k, then I’m done with Rugby League.

Oh dear, you know the NRL is corrupt don't you?

 

[JD Tiger]

Latrell Mitchell will meet with Wayne Bennett to facilitate a move to the Bunnies — and there’s been a stunning development with Jai Arrow.

Staff writers
FOX SPORTSJANUARY 8, 2020 8:07AM

Latrell Mitchell is set to meet with Wayne Bennett this week.Source:Getty Images

Latrell Mitchell will reportedly meet with Souths coach Wayne Bennett in the next few days to work out how to facilitate a move to the Rabbitohs. Mitchell was granted leave by the Sydney Roosters to stay away from pre-season training on Sunday night, and it’s widely believed he’s played his last game for the Bondi glamour club.

The Daily Telegraph reports Mitchell wants to play under Bennett, a seven-time premiership-winning coach renowned as a mentor who players love to play for. The report said the Rabbitohs’ focus was securing an early release for Gold Coast forward Jai Arrow to join the club next season, which could be finalised within 24 hours.

News of Mitchell’s signing being a step closer comes despite Bennett saying last month that he wasn’t interested in bringing Mitchell to the club. **Bennett has previously denied an interest in a player only to sign him weeks later, as was the case when securing James Roberts from the Brisbane Broncos."**We will make a decision based on what money we’ve got left over and what we can and can’t do.”

But in a stunning development, the Telegraph reported that “Arrow’s release from the Titans will be finalised in the next 24 hours.” If Arrow’s release is granted, that means the Rabbitohs could turn their attention to Mitchell, who might be happy to sign a cut-price, one-year deal worth $400,000 at Redfern — having rejected a $1 million contract at Wests Tigers and an $800,000 offer at the Roosters.

One roadblock to the Bunnies securing Mitchell on a cut-price deal is that it would have to be cleared by the game’s salary cap auditor, who will determine his true market value.

It’s understood NRL auditor Richard Gardham has final discretion to determine market value using a list of comparative players to reach his decision.

NRL’s salary cap laws state a player cannot be registered on a contract worth considerably less than his market value.


So in other words Bennett is a compulsive liar, but he’s such a great guy! Still able to attract all the best players.

I’m really over all this BS, tbh. I really wish our club wasn’t involved in it at all. It was fun when reports of Mitchell possibly signing with us first came out, now the whole thing has just become a sick joke.

If Souths do manage to secure him on a 1 year contact for 400k, then I’m done with Rugby League.

Oh dear, you know the NRL is corrupt don't you?

I say the NRL is corrupt all the time, but perhaps its the wrong word technically. They are certainly not impartial, the comp is not even, teams are treated differently. But the NRL run a business, which they sell to the TV stations for a huge sum, and viewing it as entertainment or a spectacle, then it's not corrupt, its like wwf wrestling. Fixed, but meant to be.

Maybe the way that it will one day actually be more even for all clubs, is through the betting agencies. They would know more than anyone all the dodgy deals, the advantages for each club, as they have big money riding on it, and if theyre behind the 8-ball on those matters, they will take massive financial hits.

 

[diedpretty]

Agree on 400k but he was 800k at Roosters, he will have been throigh almost 3 months so 25% o the year so the Bunnies would be able to have him on the cap for 600k

If Rabbits only need to come up with $600,000 as you say and they already have $400,000 cap money left then some team will jump at the chance of getting Johnston for $200,000
That's all they wood need to get Mitchell over the line
If it's not us then it's someone else
So it looks like we may have a choice whether we like it or not
Johnston or nothing
If they don't get Arrow for 2020 then they will probably keep Johnston and we still get nothing
Its like a game of chicken
Who's going to crack 1st
Let's hope to rumours about the chooks are true
Then they would need to shed players
Hello Teddy

Thats all well and good but in reality Johnston, Gagai or any other under contract rabbit doesn't have to go anywhere. The NRL has a real problem on its hands re player deals and management by clubs. Everyone whines about players walking out on contracts but the media rejoice at Bennetts ability to just move players on when he feels like it. I would love to see Johnston and Gagai telling the rabbits to stick it on moving them on.

 

[Curaeus]

According to Matt Logue in the DT today "Mitchell could earn upwards of $1.3 million if he joined the Tigers, but it is understood he doesn’t want the pressure of being the marquee man". So he wants the big bucks but would prefer not to accept the responsibility that goes with any big pay packet. Talented player but looking like very high maintenance for whoever signs him.

 

[diedpretty]

Agree on 400k but he was 800k at Roosters, he will have been throigh almost 3 months so 25% o the year so the Bunnies would be able to have him on the cap for 600k

Mitchell isn't on 800K for 2020 tho...that was the new deal offered by the Rorters for 21/22....

His current contract was signed when he was a youngster...400K Rorters style..

Thats not his market value though. This whole charade started when LM stated he wanted to see what his value was on the market. The offers that where thrown up ranged from 800k to 1mill. So his market value is somewhere between those figures. If the NRL sign off on this they may as well get rid of the salary cap and have an open market ala MLB where players are just moved around like chess pieces and deals are done between clubs with no restrictions.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Might be an unpopular view, however, a market only exists when there is a buyer and a seller. If LM is only willing to sell his services to one club then you can argue that whatever he gets from that club is his market value.

The thing that is painful is that I have no confidence in the NRL to ensure he doesn't receive money outside the cap. Therefore, despite my first paragraph I hope they make Souffs pay at least 600k from their cap.

Having to match an offer dollar for dollar is a bad idea and the NRL shouldn't force clubs to pay equal amounts.

For example if a club wanted Brooks and offered 800 but he was happy to stay with us for 700 why should we stump up the additional? What if they went up to a mil but he still didn't want to move? You can't use these offers to create a pseudo draft where players and clubs are forced into certain terms.

Finally if LM takes 400k or more less to play for souffs then it really is his loss.

 

[diedpretty]

It just demonstrates the salary cap is not working. It is meant to be in place to give equal opportunity for all and increasingly all it is doing is ensuring that the glamour clubs pick the eyes out of the best that's available to keep them firmly planted in the top of the competition and the rest of us try to hold onto anything decent and pick up the left overs.

This situation does not demonstrate that at all.

The salary cap is preventing Roosters from holding Latrell "on speculation", because he's no longer a priority for them and they are better off not having his value on the books.

The salary cap is preventing the Rabbits from making Latrell an offer that can match Tigers.

The salary cap is preventing any other club for 2020, apart from Titans, from making Latrell an offer, as their books are full.

This situation only serves to demonstrate that, potentially, Latrell would rather join Souths than Tigers and money is not the issue.

The salary cap does give Tigers absolutely equal opportunity to get the best players, unfortunately in this instance, the player in question may not be interested.

That's true he doesn't want to come us that is obvious. But if the NRL allows South's to sign him for half of what his market value this year to then offer him a contract next year at significantly greater value to fit their cap - then the purpose of what the salary cap is in place for is flawed.

Exactly - the NRL rules on this are quite open. You can't sign a player under his market value to circumvent the cap. Parra tried to do it with Folau and were knocked back. If Mitchell only wants to play with souffs and they can't meet market value he can sit out the year at the rorters and get paid his 400k. Souffs may then be able to arrange their cap to accommodate him in 2021. As everyone keeps banging on including LM supposedly that money is not the issue then he shouldn;t mind sitting the season out on his lowly rorters contract.

 

[fibrodreaming]

he shouldn;t mind sitting the season out on his lowly rorters contract.

Hate to think what the size of his girth would be if he sat out of the game for a year.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Might be an unpopular view, however, a market only exists when there is a buyer and a seller. If LM is only willing to sell his services to one club then you can argue that whatever he gets from that club is his market value.

The thing that is painful is that I have no confidence in the NRL to ensure he doesn't receive money outside the cap. Therefore, despite my first paragraph I hope they make Souffs pay at least 600k from their cap.

Having to match an offer dollar for dollar is a bad idea and the NRL shouldn't force clubs to pay equal amounts.

For example if a club wanted Brooks and offered 800 but he was happy to stay with us for 700 why should we stump up the additional? What if they went up to a mil but he still didn't want to move? You can't use these offers to create a pseudo draft where players and clubs are forced into certain terms.

Finally if LM takes 400k or more less to play for souffs then it really is his loss.

I see your point but

If Latrell was staying with the Roosters for $800,000 a season and did not put himself on the open market then he should not have to field offers from elsewhere

As soon as he put himself on the open market then he automatically has a new market Value "IMO" set by other clubs trying to land his signature

So in Brooks case as you mentioned
If he resigns with us without going on the open market then he accepts our value that we place on him

If he wishes to field offers from other clubs then he has a new market value and better be prepared to leave regardless of which club makes that offer

If he turns around and wishes to stay then our club should be made to pay at least 90% of his top offer from our cap if we wish to keep him

Now if Brooks doesn't want to go to that other club then he should not have put himself on the open market

Now if another club wants to make a ridicules offer to a player then they better be prepared to pay the amount they offer or they should be fined for trying to inflate the market for their own benefit

This is where the NRL needs to police these offers to make sure other clubs Don't just try to drive up a players price

So as far as Latrell goes
He has an offer from us at $950,000 per season
He can stay at the Roosters for $855,000 which is 90% of our offer
Our go to south's for $400,000 if he wishes but the the Rabbits should be made to have $950,000 come off there cap
IMO that would be the fairest way to manage player transfers and salary caps
It would also create a much fairer playing field
As far as 3rd party payments go clubs are not allowed to get involved so it should have no bearing on which club a player chooses

This is my take on it all but the NRL has no balls to implement anything like it

 

[avocadoontoast]

No offence to anyone but this thread has become a massive snoozefest.

 

[wokesmoke]

Hi guys, woke here. Just wanted to say I have a good feeling about latrell making a decision this week. I think his future will be decided officially by late next week. If you’re a fan of his I think you will be happy

 

[avocadoontoast]

From the Souths Forum

The Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe is re-entering the race for his signature and has dropped off signing AJ so not to assist Souths in clearing more cap space to sign Mitchell.

 

[wokesmoke]

From the Souths Forum

The Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe is re-entering the race for his signature and has dropped off signing AJ so not to assist Souths in clearing more cap space to sign Mitchell.

That is interesting news I must say.

 

[avocadoontoast]

From the Souths Forum

The Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe is re-entering the race for his signature and has dropped off signing AJ so not to assist Souths in clearing more cap space to sign Mitchell.

That is interesting news I must say.

Sure is nug, I mean woke.

 

[teddy23]

I think we’re all fading away from the fact that a young player is legitimately considering a 600k a year pay cut to pick another team over us

Doesn’t really give the Wests Tigers the best outlook does it.....

It is a one year deal - it will be adjusted next year. It is a deliberate rorting of the cap to get a quality player in their squad for this year when they have no cap space to sign him.

Still one hell of a risk

- Who says Latrell doesn’t drop form especially with what it seems the weight he has put on in the off season

- Who says Latrell doesn’t suffer an injury which effects his ability for the years to come or end his career ultimately (touch wood)

- Who says the players the Rabbitohs are expecting to offload come the end of next year don’t have stand out seasons in the final year of there contract

There are a lot of risks with Latrell taking a 1 year 400k deal at the Rabbitohs

Whereas, he has the ability to secure a 4 year 4 million contract with us - it’s obvious he is prioritising money in his new deal otherwise he would’ve re-signed with the Roosters asap when they handed him that 850k offer and along with the fact he is a young man whom is on the rise of starting a family

If the recent reports are true of him going to the Souths on 400k over a 1mil offer with us, it doesn’t give the slightest bit of a good representation towards the Wests Tigers at all