Lawrence...Squeezed Out...

[Doc_Tiger]

The absolute best outcome for all involved for Chris to have 4 or 5 games back to back where he defends like a mad man speckled with the odd try.

This would see the whole discussion disappear and a Favourite son of ours remain where he belongs.

Good luck Chris, I'm still in your corner.

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It's what we all want Spartan.

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No it's not. It's what some want, and others want him gone because he's costing far too much cash for far too little return. Good bloke or no good bloke. He's in someone elses spot because of a crazy contract. If he had any conscience, he'd up and leave himself knowing full well he's not up to it.

 

[phil1986]

We now have phil miss im charge of the cap side of things etc.

We wouldn't be putting ourselves into trouble, with out ways out already planned.

Lurker hears a whisper then turns that into a roar!

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what if lawrence is on exorbitant sums? i think cost benefit would dictate we pay a little bit for him to go to england. it might not even have to come out of our cap, not 100% sure about how it works with SL teams versus nrl ones.

yeah mate, could be.

I just didn't want strings drawn to our mistakes in the past.

We have a smarty operator in control now.

He knows how to maximize the situation for the benefit of our club.

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[Goose]

I think lawrence's poor form is greatly exaggerated.

He is playing just average, they have him playing a role where he is used to get it out of our own area, and run the hard unders line in attack more often than not. He is doing this well. It is not super attractive football, but it is important, and he is doing it well.

He is not playing like a star, and he is on close to star money, so if someone else wants him, than it may be time to move him on.

 

[Bones]

The absolute best outcome for all involved for Chris to have 4 or 5 games back to back where he defends like a mad man speckled with the odd try.

This would see the whole discussion disappear and a Favourite son of ours remain where he belongs.

Good luck Chris, I'm still in your corner.

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It's what we all want Spartan.

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No it's not. It's what some want, and others want him gone because he's costing far too much cash for far too little return. Good bloke or no good bloke. He's in someone elses spot because of a crazy contract. If he had any conscience, he'd up and leave himself knowing full well he's not up to it.

I wonder if you got hurt at work and could no longer perform your duties as well as you currently do would you just quit? Or would you expect to be paid compensation for the injury?

Why should any NRL player walk away from a contract just because he got injured and may not be playing as well as they'd like? If a player scores 5 tries this week do you think they get and extra 5k in their pay packet because the club didn't expect them to play that well?

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

if Simona is fit - that is

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Simona is gone for 4 weeks …X...Wests Tigers Official....

If Rowdy goes I wouldn't want to be paying any of his contract....I thought we were past that crap...

Tygertye nails it for me....great post...

thanks Geo -

 

[TigerSJ]

I'd be very surprised if Lawrence isn't back at centre over the weeks Simona is out. We have no real options in that position other than Hoetter at the moment.

I'm still in the group that want to see him succeed - I don't believe his demise as a quality NRL player has been through any lack of trying, or heart, but more from misfortune. Because of that I think he deserves all the support and loyalty we as Tigers fans can give him. Whatever happens I wish him the very best!!

On another note, get ready for the roller coaster of emotions and Forum backlash folks… I think Friday night against the Roosters is shaping up UGLY!!

 

[Doc_Tiger]

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It's what we all want Spartan.

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No it's not. It's what some want, and others want him gone because he's costing far too much cash for far too little return. Good bloke or no good bloke. He's in someone elses spot because of a crazy contract. If he had any conscience, he'd up and leave himself knowing full well he's not up to it.

I wonder if you got hurt at work and could no longer perform your duties as well as you currently do would you just quit? Or would you expect to be paid compensation for the injury?

Why should any NRL player walk away from a contract just because he got injured and may not be playing as well as they'd like? If a player scores 5 tries this week do you think they get and extra 5k in their pay packet because the club didn't expect them to play that well?

Well it's funny you should say that. I did my back at work while swinging a sledge hammer in 2008 I think it was, and had an operation. I didn't claim compo. I realise not many would do that, but I did.

My point is, if he's such a brilliant club man, and he knows damn well that the club is struggling financially, and he must know that he is under performing and has done for an awful long time, then the right thing to do would be to man up and say look fellas, I'm cooked. You guys should move on without me. Not only is he taking someone elses place, but he's holding back the team, the club and the opportunity of another.

What scoring 5 tries in a game has to do with anything I don't know where you're going there. That's the idea of the game. Put points on the board. Something Chris Lawrence hasn't done to any large degree for what seems like an eternity. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I saw him break the line. Ive seen him drop the ball a bit, miss tackles, run out of play….yeah, thats about it.

 

[Flippedy]

The absolute best outcome for all involved for Chris to have 4 or 5 games back to back where he defends like a mad man speckled with the odd try.

This would see the whole discussion disappear and a Favourite son of ours remain where he belongs.

Good luck Chris, I'm still in your corner.

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It's what we all want Spartan.

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No it's not. It's what some want, and others want him gone because he's costing far too much cash for far too little return. Good bloke or no good bloke. He's in someone elses spot because of a crazy contract. If he had any conscience, he'd up and leave himself knowing full well he's not up to it.

I wonder if you got hurt at work and could no longer perform your duties as well as you currently do would you just quit? Or would you expect to be paid compensation for the injury?

Why should any NRL player walk away from a contract just because he got injured and may not be playing as well as they'd like? If a player scores 5 tries this week do you think they get and extra 5k in their pay packet because the club didn't expect them to play that well?
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Well it's funny you should say that. I did my back at work while swinging a sledge hammer in 2008 I think it was, and had an operation. I didn't claim compo. I realise not many would do that, but I did.

**My point is, if he's such a brilliant club man, and he knows damn well that the club is struggling financially, and he must know that he is under performing and has done for an awful long time, then the right thing to do would be to man up and say look fellas, I'm cooked. You guys should move on without me. Not only is he taking someone elses place, but he's holding back the team, the club and the opportunity of another.**
What scoring 5 tries in a game has to do with anything I don't know where you're going there. That's the idea of the game. Put points on the board. Something Chris Lawrence hasn't done to any large degree for what seems like an eternity. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I saw him break the line. Ive seen him drop the ball a bit, miss tackles, run out of play….yeah, thats about it.
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Spot on WD! I said the same thing in another thread recently, but got shot down for it also. I just think it would be the right and decent thing to do in this kind of situation. If I was permanently injured at work or wherever and couldn't perform my duties satisfactorily anymore then I would have to step aside and perhaps look for a less physical role within the company or move on altogether - it just makes sense to me, rather than hindering your team mates and those all around you.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm the first to acknowledge that Chris is under-performing, and that I think there's others who can do his job better.

But should he be hanging on for his pay day? Absolutely he should! Clubs and players know signing contracts is a risk vs reward scenario. You sign a promising youngster on crap money and they come on good you leave yourself open to other clubs poaching them before you reap the benefits. If you sign a player to too long a deal you run this risk of severe injury hampering their career. This is his last big money contract realistically, and if the reports are to be believed it is back-loaded, so he is being paid in arrears for his service. I wouldn't be moving on either without being paid.

Best scenario is for him to move to the ESL where he would perform quite well even taking his dip in form due to injuries, and have a large part of his contract paid out with us left to pick up the small change. I don't expect him to step down without receiving what he's entitled to.

 

[supercoach]

The question has been raised why would Lawrence walk away from the NRL while he still has a big fat juicy contract. It is pretty simple after 2016 he is worth very little with the prospects of being offered another contract in the NRL not so good, of course this could all change if the NRL decide to introduce a new team or two. Anyway with the sweetener of the club paying some of his contract, the ESL are likely to offer him a good three year deal. For any footballer these days a three year deal is a great deal

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

"The question has been raised why would Lawrence walk away from the NRL while he still has a big fat juicy contract"…..

because then - he would be a man of character - he would realize what's best for the team in moving forward

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Christ, have any of you blokes asked yourself if you would do the same?

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

every damn day

 

[Doc_Tiger]

My point is, I'm sick to death of so many saying what a great guy he is and what a fantastic clubman he is when he's offering nothing and costing an absolute fortune monetarily as well as holding back the progress of others. I can't wait to to see the back of him. Which, ironically, is something the opposition haven't seen for years. They're only ever looking at him in the face.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

To be fair to him, it's not through lack of trying. He's never been the same since his hip and hammy injuries. He didn't chuck an Ayshford and go off the boil overnight.

I understand the sentiment and it does frustrate me as well as his performances aren't that of a star signing.

Let's take into account thought that he was reportedly signed on $340K for five years. A strike centre would command heaps more than that now. His contract has been heavily backended too, which is really the fault of the previous board.

I think if he were only pulling $340K from the cap this year and next it wouldn't be that much of an issue, but the furore is arising from the fact that his backended deal isn't reflective of his performances.

A bit of perspective is needed here. I would prefer he moves on, but if he can't get what he is owed I understand him wanting to hang on, this will be his last big money deal.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Yeah, that's fine CB, but everyone tries out there to be the best they can be I think. Some excel, others are good, some just don't have it. If you don't have it, you don't have it. A great club man would do the right thing for the club. He's proving every day that he is not that. He's in it for himself. He's in it for the coin and he's not prepared to allow others the same opportunity that he was afforded. When people here say they hope he can go and get a great contract to set himself up for life, I think what???? As if what he's on hasn't already set him up. Are you people completely mad? He gets probably as much as the Prime Minister. (Not that he's worth it either)

 

[underdog]

Well according to the gospel of truth that is Facebook, Tigers might be trying to squeeze in Greg Bird.

Not. Even. Kidding.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

BAHAhahaaaaa….that'd send a few into a spin! My god. Please don't let it be true.

 

[littletiger]

Well according to the gospel of truth that is Facebook, Tigers might be trying to squeeze in Greg Bird.

Not. Even. Kidding.

What's your facebook source?>

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Yeah, that's fine CB, but everyone tries out there to be the best they can be I think. Some excel, others are good, some just don't have it. If you don't have it, you don't have it. A great club man would do the right thing for the club. He's proving every day that he is not that. He's in it for himself. He's in it for the coin and he's not prepared to allow others the same opportunity that he was afforded. When people here say they hope he can go and get a great contract to set himself up for life, I think what???? As if what he's on hasn't already set him up. Are you people completely mad? He gets probably as much as the Prime Minister. (Not that he's worth it either)

It can work both ways though, he could have gone on to score 15-20 tries a season and play a dozen origins & Tests by now and we'd be crowing we got him for a steal.

This is the risk vs reward I talk about. The only thing I hope that is learnt out of this is that five year contracts are a massive gamble and we don't revisit it and if any CEO of this club gets caught backending again they should be immediately sacked.

Yeah hanging around and waiting for what you're owed may not amount to being a good clubman, but does the club go on to look after him if he walks away? No, he's got to take all that he can get now, especially since he's busted and will likely not get near the money he did last time around.