Luke Brooks

[JC99]

If brooks has Luc and Roberts outside him then it’s pretty simple.... give them early ball and let them make you look good. Support them after they create something and you’ll score plenty. As soon as the opposition starts marking them harder start running. Kick to corners and use Roberts speed to get down there.

totally disagree .. Brooks strength is his running game and he should run early and stick defences on the back foot

Like I said, run after defences are worried about our strike weapons outside him. His running game didn’t work this year, teams knew it was coming and shut him down pretty easily.

He did a lot of running but wasn’t creating anything with it majority of the time. He needs to find the balance between the two, it’s his best attribute but he didn’t balance it with his passing game enough. Too easy for defences to read. He can run early too but not too much straight away I think. He didn’t give Luc enough early ball this year

He didn't get any early ball - that makes a big difference in the time you have to do anything. If you get early ball, you have time for a short pass, long pass, kick or beat the man opposite you (you can't do any of that if, when you get the slow ball from the ruck, that guy is standing ready to smash you).

That is the difference between a good DH and a not so good DH.

Plenty of times he had plenty of room and made the wrong decisions. Teams are expecting the dummy and run, they’ve watched plenty of video on him. Having more room consistently will help though as long as he takes advantage of it and isn’t so predictable

You can't dummy and run with the opposition sitting on your shoulder. A good DH makes all the difference.

Hence the win against Manly at Brookvale this year.

You can’t run the ball 95% of the time like he did this year. It’s his strongest attribute but you need to try keep the opposition guessing good service or not. I just think he was told to run but did it too much, needed to use his outside men more too especially Luciano as he’s such a threat close to the line.

Think he’ll improve next year though for sure.

I think, most of the time he had to run because the ball was slow from DH, if he passed - it would be a "hospital pass" to whoever and would get the recipient flattened, so he ran a lot, not necessarily because he wanted to.

I'll be happy to watch in 2021 and see the difference, because there will be quite a differnce to 2020.

Maybe Sometimes but he was down on confidence and just went to what he knows best which is running. He will need to have more variety to his game next year, having a better forward pack behind him should help more than anything. It’s not like Harry has bad service, he’s got good passing.

As a dummy half (waiting to be jumped on from a great height) Grant is nowhere near as good as Liddle.

Grant has some fine attributes obviously, so too does B. Smith - I am at this stage only talking about service from DH and speed from DH when running - that's what will help Brooks as opposed to this year.

Either way Brooks needs a better year. No excuses at all now, he was poor this year. Would be pretty hard not to improve off 3 try assists that’s for sure



Hang on, hang on. I just want to make sure Ive understood the general tone of this thread.

Am I understanding this thread correctly? If I read this thread properly, Luke Brooks needs to have a better season next year and perform better?

Just want to make sure that Ive understood the preceding 30 pages properly...

That’s it mate hahaha. Don’t forget that he was poor this year too ?

 

[happy_tiger]

If brooks has Luc and Roberts outside him then it’s pretty simple.... give them early ball and let them make you look good. Support them after they create something and you’ll score plenty. As soon as the opposition starts marking them harder start running. Kick to corners and use Roberts speed to get down there.

totally disagree .. Brooks strength is his running game and he should run early and stick defences on the back foot

Like I said, run after defences are worried about our strike weapons outside him. His running game didn’t work this year, teams knew it was coming and shut him down pretty easily.

He did a lot of running but wasn’t creating anything with it majority of the time. He needs to find the balance between the two, it’s his best attribute but he didn’t balance it with his passing game enough. Too easy for defences to read. He can run early too but not too much straight away I think. He didn’t give Luc enough early ball this year

He didn't get any early ball - that makes a big difference in the time you have to do anything. If you get early ball, you have time for a short pass, long pass, kick or beat the man opposite you (you can't do any of that if, when you get the slow ball from the ruck, that guy is standing ready to smash you).

That is the difference between a good DH and a not so good DH.


early ball is ovet rated ...you put the ball where a hole is and it is 6 times more effective

There is NO hole if there is no early ball!

There will be plenty of early ball for Brooks and AD with Liddle at DH - sit back and watch Hap.

A good half centre pairing create space .....Kevie and Renouf are a great example .....it literally takes minor adjustment ....altering your run from an inside shoulder to an outsidr shoulder .....creating mumbers with wrap arounds

if nothing is on you turn your centre into fresh meat if you give them early ball

if something is on ...hell yeah ..but most occasions you have to create space

So Kevie & Renouf are the example? Really? So how does our pack compare to Campion, Tonie Carroll, Petero, Webke, Andrew Gee, Tallis, Brad Thorn, Luke Priddis etc etc. Oh, and Langer at half to help with that.

Gotta have forwards rolling forward before that happens.

and your spine still needs to create something ...you just cant roll up the field and expect to throw the ball out the backline and the winger scores ......aint Under 10s ladies and gents

 

[Swordy]

If brooks has Luc and Roberts outside him then it’s pretty simple.... give them early ball and let them make you look good. Support them after they create something and you’ll score plenty. As soon as the opposition starts marking them harder start running. Kick to corners and use Roberts speed to get down there.

totally disagree .. Brooks strength is his running game and he should run early and stick defences on the back foot

Like I said, run after defences are worried about our strike weapons outside him. His running game didn’t work this year, teams knew it was coming and shut him down pretty easily.

He did a lot of running but wasn’t creating anything with it majority of the time. He needs to find the balance between the two, it’s his best attribute but he didn’t balance it with his passing game enough. Too easy for defences to read. He can run early too but not too much straight away I think. He didn’t give Luc enough early ball this year

He didn't get any early ball - that makes a big difference in the time you have to do anything. If you get early ball, you have time for a short pass, long pass, kick or beat the man opposite you (you can't do any of that if, when you get the slow ball from the ruck, that guy is standing ready to smash you).

That is the difference between a good DH and a not so good DH.


early ball is ovet rated ...you put the ball where a hole is and it is 6 times more effective

There is NO hole if there is no early ball!

There will be plenty of early ball for Brooks and AD with Liddle at DH - sit back and watch Hap.

A good half centre pairing create space .....Kevie and Renouf are a great example .....it literally takes minor adjustment ....altering your run from an inside shoulder to an outsidr shoulder .....creating mumbers with wrap arounds

if nothing is on you turn your centre into fresh meat if you give them early ball

if something is on ...hell yeah ..but most occasions you have to create space

So Kevie & Renouf are the example? Really? So how does our pack compare to Campion, Tonie Carroll, Petero, Webke, Andrew Gee, Tallis, Brad Thorn, Luke Priddis etc etc. Oh, and Langer at half to help with that.

Gotta have forwards rolling forward before that happens.

and your spine still needs to create something ...you just cant roll up the field and expect to throw the ball out the backline and the winger scores ......aint Under 10s ladies and gents

Correct. It aint under 10's. That's when you give it to the fat kid 5 metres out and he drags 9 over to score, crushing 3 other weaklings in the process.

 

[Geo]

If brooks has Luc and Roberts outside him then it’s pretty simple.... give them early ball and let them make you look good. Support them after they create something and you’ll score plenty. As soon as the opposition starts marking them harder start running. Kick to corners and use Roberts speed to get down there.

totally disagree .. Brooks strength is his running game and he should run early and stick defences on the back foot

Like I said, run after defences are worried about our strike weapons outside him. His running game didn’t work this year, teams knew it was coming and shut him down pretty easily.

He did a lot of running but wasn’t creating anything with it majority of the time. He needs to find the balance between the two, it’s his best attribute but he didn’t balance it with his passing game enough. Too easy for defences to read. He can run early too but not too much straight away I think. He didn’t give Luc enough early ball this year

He didn't get any early ball - that makes a big difference in the time you have to do anything. If you get early ball, you have time for a short pass, long pass, kick or beat the man opposite you (you can't do any of that if, when you get the slow ball from the ruck, that guy is standing ready to smash you).

That is the difference between a good DH and a not so good DH.


early ball is ovet rated ...you put the ball where a hole is and it is 6 times more effective

There is NO hole if there is no early ball!

There will be plenty of early ball for Brooks and AD with Liddle at DH - sit back and watch Hap.

A good half centre pairing create space .....Kevie and Renouf are a great example .....it literally takes minor adjustment ....altering your run from an inside shoulder to an outsidr shoulder .....creating mumbers with wrap arounds

if nothing is on you turn your centre into fresh meat if you give them early ball

if something is on ...hell yeah ..but most occasions you have to create space

So Kevie & Renouf are the example? Really? So how does our pack compare to Campion, Tonie Carroll, Petero, Webke, Andrew Gee, Tallis, Brad Thorn, Luke Priddis etc etc. Oh, and Langer at half to help with that.

Gotta have forwards rolling forward before that happens.

and your spine still needs to create something ...you just cant roll up the field and expect to throw the ball out the backline and the winger scores ......aint Under 10s ladies and gents

Ha and 15 other NRL teams v Wests Tigers

 

[BAGNF05]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

 

[BAGNF05]

If brooks has Luc and Roberts outside him then it’s pretty simple.... give them early ball and let them make you look good. Support them after they create something and you’ll score plenty. As soon as the opposition starts marking them harder start running. Kick to corners and use Roberts speed to get down there.

totally disagree .. Brooks strength is his running game and he should run early and stick defences on the back foot

You need momentum as a little bloke who likes to take on the line. In recent years WT are rarely winning the ruck so Brooksy’s running is under utilised or he’s trying to go at the wrong moments. Let’s hope some of these young forwards aim up for him this year.

 

[jirskyr]

I've got a question - is Luke Brooks a better all-around footballer than Robert Lui? Because Rob Lui did just fine in 2010-2011 with a good pack and an in-form 5/8th.

I often wonder about Brooks, if that's just what he needs - a partner that pulls their weight and a forward pack that turns up most weeks. He's barely had that in his whole career. He had Anasta and Blake Austin in his first season, then Slimey Fart for ~2 seasons, followed by half a year with Tui Lolohea. Then 3 more years of an aging Benji Marshall.

Lui obviously played with Benji as well, but different style of Benji between those periods.

I just keep saying every year, when Brooks straightens and looks wide, he's been looking at blokes like Luke Garner, an aged Chris Lawrence, Frozone, Chee-Kam etc. Not even close to the calibre of guys like Ellis and Dwyer, yougn Chris Lawrence, running around with Robert Lui.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

 

[happy_tiger]

If brooks has Luc and Roberts outside him then it’s pretty simple.... give them early ball and let them make you look good. Support them after they create something and you’ll score plenty. As soon as the opposition starts marking them harder start running. Kick to corners and use Roberts speed to get down there.

totally disagree .. Brooks strength is his running game and he should run early and stick defences on the back foot

Like I said, run after defences are worried about our strike weapons outside him. His running game didn’t work this year, teams knew it was coming and shut him down pretty easily.

He did a lot of running but wasn’t creating anything with it majority of the time. He needs to find the balance between the two, it’s his best attribute but he didn’t balance it with his passing game enough. Too easy for defences to read. He can run early too but not too much straight away I think. He didn’t give Luc enough early ball this year

He didn't get any early ball - that makes a big difference in the time you have to do anything. If you get early ball, you have time for a short pass, long pass, kick or beat the man opposite you (you can't do any of that if, when you get the slow ball from the ruck, that guy is standing ready to smash you).

That is the difference between a good DH and a not so good DH.

Plenty of times he had plenty of room and made the wrong decisions. Teams are expecting the dummy and run, they’ve watched plenty of video on him. Having more room consistently will help though as long as he takes advantage of it and isn’t so predictable

You can't dummy and run with the opposition sitting on your shoulder. A good DH makes all the difference.

Hence the win against Manly at Brookvale this year.

You can’t run the ball 95% of the time like he did this year. It’s his strongest attribute but you need to try keep the opposition guessing good service or not. I just think he was told to run but did it too much, needed to use his outside men more too especially Luciano as he’s such a threat close to the line.

Think he’ll improve next year though for sure.

I think, most of the time he had to run because the ball was slow from DH, if he passed - it would be a "hospital pass" to whoever and would get the recipient flattened, so he ran a lot, not necessarily because he wanted to.

I'll be happy to watch in 2021 and see the difference, because there will be quite a differnce to 2020.

Maybe Sometimes but he was down on confidence and just went to what he knows best which is running. He will need to have more variety to his game next year, having a better forward pack behind him should help more than anything. It’s not like Harry has bad service, he’s got good passing.

As a dummy half (waiting to be jumped on from a great height) Grant is nowhere near as good as Liddle.

Grant has some fine attributes obviously, so too does B. Smith - I am at this stage only talking about service from DH and speed from DH when running - that's what will help Brooks as opposed to this year.

Either way Brooks needs a better year. No excuses at all now, he was poor this year. Would be pretty hard not to improve off 3 try assists that’s for sure

We need him to improve along with 90% of the team.

Definitely, there’s plenty of guys who have a lot of room for improvement

and even if every member of our squad stays fits and plays too the maxmimum of their output ...if Brooks doesnt we wont make the 8

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

Most understand we have a weak roster. The changes we have witnessed and those still to happen will transform the Club into a potential powerhouse. The overhaul of the salary cap, player contracts, roster, junior recruitment, pathways and the Indigenous initiative have been significant improvements for the Club. This foundation will set the Club up so hopefully we avoid issues like the cap challenges faced by Penrith.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

Most understand we have a weak roster. The changes we have witnessed and those still to happen will transform the Club into a potential powerhouse. The overhaul of the salary cap, player contracts, roster, junior recruitment, pathways and the Indigenous initiative have been significant improvements for the Club. This foundation will set the Club up so hopefully we avoid issues like the cap challenges faced by Penrith.

Madge might survive another missed finals campaign ....but Brooks cant .....id even quedtion if his game is suffering because of the mental challenges of missing the 8 has had on him

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I've got a question - is Luke Brooks a better all-around footballer than Robert Lui? Because Rob Lui did just fine in 2010-2011 with a good pack and an in-form 5/8th.

I often wonder about Brooks, if that's just what he needs - a partner that pulls their weight and a forward pack that turns up most weeks. He's barely had that in his whole career. He had Anasta and Blake Austin in his first season, then Slimey Fart for ~2 seasons, followed by half a year with Tui Lolohea. Then 3 more years of an aging Benji Marshall.

Lui obviously played with Benji as well, but different style of Benji between those periods.

I just keep saying every year, when Brooks straightens and looks wide, he's been looking at blokes like Luke Garner, an aged Chris Lawrence, Frozone, Chee-Kam etc. Not even close to the calibre of guys like Ellis and Dwyer, yougn Chris Lawrence, running around with Robert Lui.

His 2018 backs were Fonua, MWZ , Thommo and frozone , and out of form Nofa. That’s all I need to say IMO.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

Most understand we have a weak roster. The changes we have witnessed and those still to happen will transform the Club into a potential powerhouse. The overhaul of the salary cap, player contracts, roster, junior recruitment, pathways and the Indigenous initiative have been significant improvements for the Club. This foundation will set the Club up so hopefully we avoid issues like the cap challenges faced by Penrith.

Madge might survive another missed finals campaign ....but Brooks cant .....id even quedtion if his game is suffering because of the mental challenges of missing the 8 has had on him

Im feeling more confident of the Brooks/Doueihi combination as being a more stable foundation for our attack and game-management, rather than Brooks/Marshall.

Or, in reality, Marshall/anyone. That's proven not to work consistently. Maybe why he's not signed by anyone yet? Reality bites.

if you are implying Im a Benji fan ...im far from it

but anyone must be concerned where the points are going to come from....especially if our defence is anything last the last 10 rounds

 

[bathursttiger1]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

Most understand we have a weak roster. The changes we have witnessed and those still to happen will transform the Club into a potential powerhouse. The overhaul of the salary cap, player contracts, roster, junior recruitment, pathways and the Indigenous initiative have been significant improvements for the Club. This foundation will set the Club up so hopefully we avoid issues like the cap challenges faced by Penrith.

Madge might survive another missed finals campaign ....but Brooks cant .....id even quedtion if his game is suffering because of the mental challenges of missing the 8 has had on him

Im feeling more confident of the Brooks/Doueihi combination as being a more stable foundation for our attack and game-management, rather than Brooks/Marshall.

Or, in reality, Marshall/anyone. That's proven not to work consistently. Maybe why he's not signed by anyone yet? Reality bites.

if you are implying Im a Benji fan ...im far from it

but anyone must be concerned where the points are going to come from....especially if our defence is anything last the last 10 rounds

Maybe we can get a bit more structure in the game plan without Benji running around in circles crabbing across the park like a lost puppy.

 

[Swordy]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

Most understand we have a weak roster. The changes we have witnessed and those still to happen will transform the Club into a potential powerhouse. The overhaul of the salary cap, player contracts, roster, junior recruitment, pathways and the Indigenous initiative have been significant improvements for the Club. This foundation will set the Club up so hopefully we avoid issues like the cap challenges faced by Penrith.

Madge might survive another missed finals campaign ....but Brooks cant .....id even quedtion if his game is suffering because of the mental challenges of missing the 8 has had on him

Im feeling more confident of the Brooks/Doueihi combination as being a more stable foundation for our attack and game-management, rather than Brooks/Marshall.

Or, in reality, Marshall/anyone. That's proven not to work consistently. Maybe why he's not signed by anyone yet? Reality bites.

if you are implying Im a Benji fan ...im far from it

but anyone must be concerned where the points are going to come from....especially if our defence is anything last the last 10 rounds

Couldnt agree more. And everyone is entitled to their opinion and youre not a fan of Brooks clearly.

But tell me this. At which period in his playing career has he had a fair go with a decent halves partner and forward pack? Sure, I agree he needs to still make something without those things, but I have seen 'glimpses' of what he could be and that is enough based on what he has had around him.

He may grow up to be nothing. But as for providing a decent team for him to 'own', and halfback alternatives, I think he is top of the tree at the moment.

 

[earl]

If brooks has Luc and Roberts outside him then it’s pretty simple.... give them early ball and let them make you look good. Support them after they create something and you’ll score plenty. As soon as the opposition starts marking them harder start running. Kick to corners and use Roberts speed to get down there.

totally disagree .. Brooks strength is his running game and he should run early and stick defences on the back foot

Like I said, run after defences are worried about our strike weapons outside him. His running game didn’t work this year, teams knew it was coming and shut him down pretty easily.

He did a lot of running but wasn’t creating anything with it majority of the time. He needs to find the balance between the two, it’s his best attribute but he didn’t balance it with his passing game enough. Too easy for defences to read. He can run early too but not too much straight away I think. He didn’t give Luc enough early ball this year

He didn't get any early ball - that makes a big difference in the time you have to do anything. If you get early ball, you have time for a short pass, long pass, kick or beat the man opposite you (you can't do any of that if, when you get the slow ball from the ruck, that guy is standing ready to smash you).

That is the difference between a good DH and a not so good DH.

Plenty of times he had plenty of room and made the wrong decisions. Teams are expecting the dummy and run, they’ve watched plenty of video on him. Having more room consistently will help though as long as he takes advantage of it and isn’t so predictable

You can't dummy and run with the opposition sitting on your shoulder. A good DH makes all the difference.

Hence the win against Manly at Brookvale this year.

You can’t run the ball 95% of the time like he did this year. It’s his strongest attribute but you need to try keep the opposition guessing good service or not. I just think he was told to run but did it too much, needed to use his outside men more too especially Luciano as he’s such a threat close to the line.

Think he’ll improve next year though for sure.

I think, most of the time he had to run because the ball was slow from DH, if he passed - it would be a "hospital pass" to whoever and would get the recipient flattened, so he ran a lot, not necessarily because he wanted to.

I'll be happy to watch in 2021 and see the difference, because there will be quite a differnce to 2020.

Maybe Sometimes but he was down on confidence and just went to what he knows best which is running. He will need to have more variety to his game next year, having a better forward pack behind him should help more than anything. It’s not like Harry has bad service, he’s got good passing.

As a dummy half (waiting to be jumped on from a great height) Grant is nowhere near as good as Liddle.

Grant has some fine attributes obviously, so too does B. Smith - I am at this stage only talking about service from DH and speed from DH when running - that's what will help Brooks as opposed to this year.

Either way Brooks needs a better year. No excuses at all now, he was poor this year. Would be pretty hard not to improve off 3 try assists that’s for sure

We need him to improve along with 90% of the team.

Definitely, there’s plenty of guys who have a lot of room for improvement

and even if every member of our squad stays fits and plays too the maxmimum of their output ...if Brooks doesnt we wont make the 8

He is important to the team. You can't have a 7 making dud decisions consistently. I'm not sure Brooks has to be at his absolute best but sure it'd help.

 

[earl]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

Most understand we have a weak roster. The changes we have witnessed and those still to happen will transform the Club into a potential powerhouse. The overhaul of the salary cap, player contracts, roster, junior recruitment, pathways and the Indigenous initiative have been significant improvements for the Club. This foundation will set the Club up so hopefully we avoid issues like the cap challenges faced by Penrith.

Madge might survive another missed finals campaign ....but Brooks cant .....id even quedtion if his game is suffering because of the mental challenges of missing the 8 has had on him

Im feeling more confident of the Brooks/Doueihi combination as being a more stable foundation for our attack and game-management, rather than Brooks/Marshall.

Or, in reality, Marshall/anyone. That's proven not to work consistently. Maybe why he's not signed by anyone yet? Reality bites.

if you are implying Im a Benji fan ...im far from it

but anyone must be concerned where the points are going to come from....especially if our defence is anything last the last 10 rounds

Couldnt agree more. And everyone is entitled to their opinion and youre not a fan of Brooks clearly.

But tell me this. At which period in his playing career has he had a fair go with a decent halves partner and forward pack? Sure, I agree he needs to still make something without those things, but I have seen 'glimpses' of what he could be and that is enough based on what he has had around him.

He may grow up to be nothing. But as for providing a decent team for him to 'own', and halfback alternatives, I think he is top of the tree at the moment.

I don't think blaming the team around him is a good argument but I also don't think that the Tigers not making the finals is a good argument.

It'll be interesting how the Tigers halves and spine go next year. It's going to be very inexperienced with Brooks as the most experienced player.

 

[the_third]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2020-injuries-transfers-most-important-players-nrl-2021-preview-brisbane-broncos-shaun-johnson-cameron-munster-nathan-cleary/news-story/f75e87e07a8134c7ec6ceb97b08f1ff9

TIGERS - Luciano Leilua

Luke Brooks would be the obvious choice here but only if he was able to improve to the extent that taking him out of the side would definitely have a negative impact. At the end of last season though his spot in the team was being questioned. The Tigers lack a genuine big-name superstar in their side, or at least one that is consistently performing on a weekly basis. But if there is one player who they would struggle without at the moment it is the fast-improving Leilua. The former Dragon went form an inconsistent impact bench player to an 80-minute edge forward who provided exactly the kind of energy that the Tigers have been crying out for upfront. The scary reality is that he is still being under-utilised and could be a great line runner on the edge if given more opportunities by Brooks. Leilua finished the season averaging 92 running metres and 28 tackles but his impact was most telling in his 48 tackle busts - 23 more than the next closest forward Josh Aloiai, who is on the way to Manly. David Nofoaluma is another Tiger who had a stellar 2020 and his metre-eating abilities would be hard to replace but the Tigers have more depth in the outside backs to cover for him.

Probably a good place for this

 

[happy_tiger]

Yea you’re definitely right hobbo. Except how the facts don’t add up to your imaginary arguement . Or stats outside this past year .

Dally M would turn in his grave if he knew.

LOL . Ok I’ll bite . Who’s our saviour then ? Gareth Widdop ? Benji ? If the answers yes , you need to recalibrate your ability sensor .

Jock Madden is his name .
Kicks goals too !

I have no input on this , other than I watched him in CC cup last year , and he was “fine”.
Brooks was playing NRL 2 years younger than him . And playing “fine “. Just for reference .

Put the violin away.
The real fact is he has shown he can’t run a team no matter who is next to him.
No amount of him saying it’s ‘his team’ makes him even the slightest bit more dominant.
He has improved in defence but that’s it ... and that’s not what the team needs from him.
No doubt he has some talent but the improvement needed in his attitude is only going to come from between his ears... and that doesn’t seem to be a strong point.
Let’s hope, after all these years, it clicks.
I’m not holding my breath but hope he provides a miracle for the team’s sake.

Once again , already has clicked . Go back 2 years to our amazing team of players like Naqaima , Tui Lolohea , MWZ , Mahe Fonua , and he went top 5 in most categories .
With amazingly dismal forward packs . That and 2019 should have been more than enough evidence , to get you to jump off your thought train .
People saying it’s everyone else’s fault make me laugh . What more do you want ? The team in 2018 was beyond dismal . It was laughable now I look at it. And he did pretty well.
You’re just not being objective at all .
It’s like he turned up at your daughters 18th , got way too drunk and vomited on your front porch . Now 20 years later he’s your son in law . Provided you 3 grand kids , your daughters happy in her million dollar house and great husband , but you can’t stop thinking about how this punk kid vomited on your newly put in front deck 20 years ago. Lol

Although your love for Brooks shows no bounds unfortunately his talent has plenty of limitations .
As a supporter I hope he can actually show some grit and consistency this year and a real desire to run the team.... rather than just mouthing the words again.
As a halfback he has speed and relatively good defence - after that the cupboard is pretty bare.
Poor kicking game, can't set up his outside men and can't control the pace of a game.
How do all your statistics help there?
Once again - I hope, like a bottle of fine wine, he comes good.
Just been waiting a very long time.

I’ve already stated how none of what your saying hasn’t any evidence other than your opinion, which we can hardly say is objective .
He had a crap year last year . We all know that . But to imply that he’s never done anything is ridiculous and more to do with your sad , unrealistic expectations because some journo said 10 years ago he was the second coming of Andrew Johns.
I’m not in love with the bloke , I’m just loyal to a guy who’s shown us loyalty . And who has played well enough to warrant that loyalty . But some of you guys are always looking over the neighbours fence. That’s not me .and I’m not apologising for thinking swapping Brooks for Widdop is a crap idea . Or last year Brodie Croft LOL. Which was a thing .
I think he’s very good , is paid the correct amount when you look at the market for good halves and hopefully can prove once and for all his value.
But the reality with many people is, if he doesn’t win 3 premierships and play origin for 5 years he will go down as a bust . Which I don’t agree with.

Shown us loyalty lmao
He couldn’t sign quick enough cause no one else would take him .

We have been through this before Hobbo - you have had it explained to you about Melbourne. You keep saying the same thing.

Simple answer is - you are incorrect.

You’re off with the fairies ?‍♀️


It’s true mate. Every few months we go through this song and dance . You stay the same and the people arguing with you change . And you know as well as we do that the storm had a big money offer on the table at the time of extension , as well as the dogs .

As the number 1 Luke Brooks sympathiser you conveniently left out the word “apparently “.

“Big money” lol

No you inset that word , because your bias can’t think rationally about this. Not a brooks sympathiser , just a realist .some of you guys really do suck as fans . Even when we are winning you especially say things like , “only a matter of time before we are crap again “ . You’re like the fan in stands in major league 1 and 2 . Just constant negativity.

no one is banging the door off the hinges now to sign Brooks

2022 is another story and Brooks sas a major let down in 2020

That’s fine , and I 100% agree it’s you . But you can’t re write history , and at the time he signed the extension he was in hot demand. I’ve got more than enough confidence he can return to the player he was prior to last year . He was in the origin conversation , if only for a short while .
People need to also realise , he will have to break down the panthers connection littered through NSW origin at the moment . Alexander , Fittler , Girdler etc , are all in and around the team , so Clearyis going to be hard to supplant no matter how good brooks plays. As if Cleary is a better half than adam Reynolds . And Adams never been mentioned in the origin conversation .
Brooks needs to win footy games and the rest will take care of itself .

more to the point Brooks will have to be the catalyst for us to make the 8 ....if we dont his and Madges necks need to be on the blocks

Why would we sack Madge and Brooks? they are not at fault for us having had a seriously average NRL squad for a long time. I’m 100% sure other clubs would happily snap them both up in a second because they are not the reason we have been perennially average.

you cant continually lead a NRL side around the park and not plsy finals footy and if he was to have another season like 2020 you couldnt possibly keep him

and madge would be in the same boat ....would it be his 6th or 7th season in a row without finals footy

Most understand we have a weak roster. The changes we have witnessed and those still to happen will transform the Club into a potential powerhouse. The overhaul of the salary cap, player contracts, roster, junior recruitment, pathways and the Indigenous initiative have been significant improvements for the Club. This foundation will set the Club up so hopefully we avoid issues like the cap challenges faced by Penrith.

Madge might survive another missed finals campaign ....but Brooks cant .....id even quedtion if his game is suffering because of the mental challenges of missing the 8 has had on him

Im feeling more confident of the Brooks/Doueihi combination as being a more stable foundation for our attack and game-management, rather than Brooks/Marshall.

Or, in reality, Marshall/anyone. That's proven not to work consistently. Maybe why he's not signed by anyone yet? Reality bites.

if you are implying Im a Benji fan ...im far from it

but anyone must be concerned where the points are going to come from....especially if our defence is anything last the last 10 rounds

Couldnt agree more. And everyone is entitled to their opinion and youre not a fan of Brooks clearly.

But tell me this. At which period in his playing career has he had a fair go with a decent halves partner and forward pack? Sure, I agree he needs to still make something without those things, but I have seen 'glimpses' of what he could be and that is enough based on what he has had around him.

He may grow up to be nothing. But as for providing a decent team for him to 'own', and halfback alternatives, I think he is top of the tree at the moment.

Dont have an issue with Brooks at all if he produces his best fotm ....but everyone must agree that his form in 2020 wasnt acceptable

He tries his ass off and has improved many areas of his game....but the only acceptable result is finals footy