Luke Brooks

[Deleted member 3518]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

Brooks is the 7th best half in the game , which means , just by that logic he’s probably at best going to be playing teams that come 4th or 5th , or at worst teams that are coming 9th or 10th. Depending on the cattle around him. .
Which position do we find ourselves in every year ?

 

[TrueTiger]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

@hobbo is there anything I can say , or if not me , anyone can say that would change your perspective ? Or even get you to give ground ? Not being a smart Alec , I genuinely want to know .

I think mate that Hobbo has had a gutfull of Brooks being the half that will bring us success after 160 games..he can have an opinion and as such has expressed it...

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

 

[Madge]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

That is a good point. It is not a coincidence that he played his best under Ivan. He looked like a half in control.

 

[hobbo1]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

@hobbo is there anything I can say , or if not me , anyone can say that would change your perspective ? Or even get you to give ground ? Not being a smart Alec , I genuinely want to know .

No
It’s his job as our chief playmaker to create opportunities and he goes missing too much ..
Better for both parties to part ways ..

 

[Tiger5150]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

Context is fine, he might be dumb, Im not arguing he is not. Im not trying to change your opinion him, I'm merely pointing out that making the assertion "he doesnt force repeat sets" (he is 7th in the NRL for forced drop outs), "his long kicking is abysmal" (4th in NRL for kick metres), are simply factually incorrect and not making a case based on reality.

Im not claiming he is the second coming of Joey, but the argument should have a basis in reality.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

@hobbo is there anything I can say , or if not me , anyone can say that would change your perspective ? Or even get you to give ground ? Not being a smart Alec , I genuinely want to know .

I think mate that Hobbo has had a gutfull of Brooks being the half that will bring us success after 160 games..he can have an opinion and as such has expressed it...

What ? No I’m talking about us going back and forth , and how we clearly are at loggerheads . I’m trying to figure out whether the whole debate is redundant , because we will never agree or if there is some way to change each other’s mind .
For example , if brooks had been playing like he did last year . I would concede that he needs to go .

 

[FinestTigers]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't force repeat sets or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his long kicking is just abysmal. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

Serious question, when was the last time Brooks kicked a 40/20 or has he ever kicked one? I think the answer would give a fair measurement of his kicking game.

 

[TrueTiger]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Doesnt matter what level you think Cleary is as a coach or how many cuddles he gives....still didnt get us into the finals and left us stranded after signing a contract to coach these cuddly players he had...writing on the wall,doesnt matter how good you cuddle doesnt get you to finals..

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

@hobbo is there anything I can say , or if not me , anyone can say that would change your perspective ? Or even get you to give ground ? Not being a smart Alec , I genuinely want to know .

No
It’s his job as our chief playmaker to create opportunities and he goes missing too much ..
Better for both parties to part ways ..

So there’s no way your opinion can change? I’m not as stoic as you are in my opinion . I respect you for it . I try to be as objective as I can , even though I know it sux that a kid who loves the tigers won’t succeed here .

 

[Tiger5150]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

And yet Brooks has 50% more try assists this year with two rounds to go than he did in 2018 as half of the year and under Brooks. Could it be because the rest of the team went better?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The other week is the answer to the 40/20 question .

 

[hobbo1]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

Context is fine, he might be dumb, Im not arguing he is not. Im not trying to change your opinion him, I'm merely pointing out that making the assertion "he doesnt force repeat sets" (he is 7th in the NRL for forced drop outs), "his long kicking is abysmal" (4th in NRL for kick metres), are simply factually incorrect and not making a case based on reality.

Im not claiming he is the second coming of Joey, but the argument should have a basis in reality.

There’s 2 teams maybe 3 that can win the comp as of now ..
If your mate ranks at 7 ? .. what does that tell you ?

 

[hobbo1]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

@hobbo is there anything I can say , or if not me , anyone can say that would change your perspective ? Or even get you to give ground ? Not being a smart Alec , I genuinely want to know .

No
It’s his job as our chief playmaker to create opportunities and he goes missing too much ..
Better for both parties to part ways ..

So there’s no way your opinion can change? I’m not as stoic as you are in my opinion . I respect you for it . I try to be as objective as I can , even though I know it sux that a kid who loves the tigers won’t succeed here .

Agree it sucks …
That’s life mate !

 

[twentyforty]

It’s time for Madge to give Brooks the Captaincy and actually give him the team. Work on fitting the team around Brooks

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

And yet Brooks has 50% more try assists this year with two rounds to go than he did in 2018 as half of the year and under Brooks. Could it be because the rest of the team went better?

It’s not rocket science really . That 2018 team could defend and were professional footballers , but were all journey men . A team full of bench players really . This team is full of all the skill in the world , and all the talent in the world . They’re just not in the right headspace unfortunately . If we could have defended say 2 tries less a game this year , we make the 8 .
Do most people agree on that statement ?
Because if you do , you would then agree , that brooks is rarely if ever the reason a try is scored against us ? I think most would agree that is a reasonable statement .
So if both those things are true , how is it that Brooks is the reason we are in This mess ?

 

[Tiger5150]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't force repeat sets or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his long kicking is just abysmal. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

Serious question, when was the last time Brooks kicked a 40/20 or has he ever kicked one? I think the answer would give a fair measurement of his kicking game.

Couple of weeks ago. He is 4th in the NRL for 40/20's. Was that your point that he has the 4th best kicking game in the NRL?

 

[Leck]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't force repeat sets or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his long kicking is just abysmal. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

Serious question, when was the last time Brooks kicked a 40/20 or has he ever kicked one? I think the answer would give a fair measurement of his kicking game.

Against the Dogs

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/08/08/brooks-drills-a-4020/

But it's been his only one this year

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

It’s time for Madge to give Brooks the Captaincy and actually give him the team. Work on fitting the team around Brooks

Brooksy ain't a talker
It’s time for Madge to appoint Doueihi captain
I think most would agree
Enough said