Luke Brooks

[Deleted member 3518]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

Yea maybe. I think Madge needs to step back away from the tactics , and fire his assistants for young , astute , guys , who he thinks could take his job one day . I understand he did that once , and the bloke actually did take his job , but he won’t succeed unless he does that , as his assistants are useless IMO , and they appear to be yes men , who the game has passed by .

 

[Tiger5150]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

Context is fine, he might be dumb, Im not arguing he is not. Im not trying to change your opinion him, I'm merely pointing out that making the assertion "he doesnt force repeat sets" (he is 7th in the NRL for forced drop outs), "his long kicking is abysmal" (4th in NRL for kick metres), are simply factually incorrect and not making a case based on reality.

Im not claiming he is the second coming of Joey, but the argument should have a basis in reality.

There’s 2 teams maybe 3 that can win the comp as of now ..
If your mate ranks at 7 ? .. what does that tell you ?

Best of the rest? Thats the guy you want to sack without a proven replacement?

 

[hobbo1]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

Context is fine, he might be dumb, Im not arguing he is not. Im not trying to change your opinion him, I'm merely pointing out that making the assertion "he doesnt force repeat sets" (he is 7th in the NRL for forced drop outs), "his long kicking is abysmal" (4th in NRL for kick metres), are simply factually incorrect and not making a case based on reality.

Im not claiming he is the second coming of Joey, but the argument should have a basis in reality.

There’s 2 teams maybe 3 that can win the comp as of now ..
If your mate ranks at 7 ? .. what does that tell you ?

Best of the rest? Thats the guy you want to sack without a proven replacement?

It means he sucks like the rest ..
How about you give Hastings a crack ?
Or better still start a Brooks appreciation thread ..?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Doesnt matter what level you think Cleary is as a coach or how many cuddles he gives....still didnt get us into the finals and left us stranded after signing a contract to coach these cuddly players he had...writing on the wall,doesnt matter how good you cuddle doesnt get you to finals..

I believe we won 50% of our games that year which in normal years would be enough to get us in the 8. You've missed the main issue which is the coach allowing a player to play to his strengths and preparing a game based on players' strengths, not the my way or the highway approach from Maguire. You know the latter approach will only end in one outcome.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

Yea maybe. I think Madge needs to step back away from the tactics , and fire his assistants for young , astute , guys , who he thinks could take his job one day . I understand he did that once , and the bloke actually did take his job , but he won’t succeed unless he does that , as his assistants are useless IMO , and they appear to be yes men , who the game has passed by .

The ability to sum up players' strengths and prepare a game plan based on those strengths is a gift coaches like Bennett, Sheens and Clearly possess. That is the difference.

 

[Demps]

Aiden Sezar >

We've seen all Brooks has to offer.
Not many 7s around...

The guys a failed experiment.
Needs to play 6 and change clubs.

Mismanaged and miscoached.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

Context is fine, he might be dumb, Im not arguing he is not. Im not trying to change your opinion him, I'm merely pointing out that making the assertion "he doesnt force repeat sets" (he is 7th in the NRL for forced drop outs), "his long kicking is abysmal" (4th in NRL for kick metres), are simply factually incorrect and not making a case based on reality.

Im not claiming he is the second coming of Joey, but the argument should have a basis in reality.

There’s 2 teams maybe 3 that can win the comp as of now ..
If your mate ranks at 7 ? .. what does that tell you ?

It says the nrl is a joke , and fastly becoming the premier league . That a draft is much needed , and the hoarding of talent , whilst great for the storm and panthers , will be really great when they’re playing in a league of 2 for 100 bucks a game , because Australia has tuned out for some other sport .

It also says we , the tigers , really dropped the ball in developing the kid , who has more talent in his pinky toe than 90% of the nrl .
But specifically, it says , we should be making the finals every year , but we surrounded him , with bums like BJ leilua . And Narcissistic wingers who go for the intercept every time , instead of just marking up in your man , putting your big boy pants on , and saying it’s you , me and the sideline .

 

[hobbo1]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

It’s called context mate ..
he’s a dumb player !

Context is fine, he might be dumb, Im not arguing he is not. Im not trying to change your opinion him, I'm merely pointing out that making the assertion "he doesnt force repeat sets" (he is 7th in the NRL for forced drop outs), "his long kicking is abysmal" (4th in NRL for kick metres), are simply factually incorrect and not making a case based on reality.

Im not claiming he is the second coming of Joey, but the argument should have a basis in reality.

There’s 2 teams maybe 3 that can win the comp as of now ..
If your mate ranks at 7 ? .. what does that tell you ?

It says the nrl is a joke , and fastly becoming the premier league . That a draft is much needed , and the hoarding of talent , whilst great for the storm and panthers , will be really great when they’re playing in a league of 2 for 100 bucks a game , because Australia has tuned out for some other sport .

It also says we , the tigers , really dropped the ball in developing the kid , who has more talent in his pinky toe than 90% of the nrl .
But specifically, it says , we should be making the finals every year , but we surrounded him , with bums like BJ leilua . And Narcissistic wingers who go for the intercept every time , instead of just marking up in your man , putting your big boy pants on , and saying it’s you , me and the sideline .

Agree ..
But we didn’t so it’s time to move on .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

Yea maybe. I think Madge needs to step back away from the tactics , and fire his assistants for young , astute , guys , who he thinks could take his job one day . I understand he did that once , and the bloke actually did take his job , but he won’t succeed unless he does that , as his assistants are useless IMO , and they appear to be yes men , who the game has passed by .

The ability to sum up players' strengths and prepare a game plan based on those strengths is a gift coaches like Bennett, Sheens and Clearly possess. That is the difference.

I don’t think Madge doesn’t posses those . I think he does , I think his delivery of the message and relating that info , has shifted with the change in generation. For me , I’d put Robbie in the coaching team , and have him act as the go between , as he does on the field . I’d also ask Benji , if he could put his ego aside , and join the staff . Or even promote Ben Gardner , and have him “Coach” the day to day , and have Madge run tactics and structures .
Like Josh Hannay said . The structures are in place , it’s just not being executed . Which says to me 2 things ;
There’s a communication issue , or the players are Neanderthals . As I’m going to assume the latter to be incorrect , we need to fix the former .

 

[twentyforty]

It’s time for Madge to give Brooks the Captaincy and actually give him the team. Work on fitting the team around Brooks

Brooksy ain't a talker
It’s time for Madge to appoint Doueihi captain
I think most would agree
Enough said

I’m hoping Madge will try it for the last 2 games.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

Yea maybe. I think Madge needs to step back away from the tactics , and fire his assistants for young , astute , guys , who he thinks could take his job one day . I understand he did that once , and the bloke actually did take his job , but he won’t succeed unless he does that , as his assistants are useless IMO , and they appear to be yes men , who the game has passed by .

The ability to sum up players' strengths and prepare a game plan based on those strengths is a gift coaches like Bennett, Sheens and Clearly possess. That is the difference.

I don’t think Madge doesn’t posses those . I think he does , I think his delivery of the message and relating that info , has shifted with the change in generation. For me , I’d put Robbie in the coaching team , and have him act as the go between , as he does on the field . I’d also ask Benji , if he could put his ego aside , and join the staff . Or even promote Ben Gardner , and have him “Coach” the day to day , and have Madge run tactics and structures .
Like Josh Hannay said . The structures are in place , it’s just not being executed . Which says to me 2 things ;
There’s a communication issue , or the players are Neanderthals . As I’m going to assume the latter to be incorrect , we need to fix the former .

When Brooks had difficulty earlier in the year, I read an article on the shortage of halfbacks in the NRL. Interestingly, the difficulty Brooks was having was raised with Cleary and he said I played him to his strength which is running.

I believe Maguire is a my way or the highway merchant. Put Brooks with a strategic coach who can formulate game plans based on players' strengths and you have a different player. Mind you Brooks has been playing well.

 

[JC99]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

Kick metres don't mean anything, he doesn't find the grass! Kicks is straight down the throat of wingers and fullbacks, never kicks a 40/20, never kicks early to turn teams around just the same old kick straight to the winger

Can't remember the last time he forced a dropout. 7th is about right cause that's just average not the worst but not the best.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

Yea maybe. I think Madge needs to step back away from the tactics , and fire his assistants for young , astute , guys , who he thinks could take his job one day . I understand he did that once , and the bloke actually did take his job , but he won’t succeed unless he does that , as his assistants are useless IMO , and they appear to be yes men , who the game has passed by .

The ability to sum up players' strengths and prepare a game plan based on those strengths is a gift coaches like Bennett, Sheens and Clearly possess. That is the difference.

I don’t think Madge doesn’t posses those . I think he does , I think his delivery of the message and relating that info , has shifted with the change in generation. For me , I’d put Robbie in the coaching team , and have him act as the go between , as he does on the field . I’d also ask Benji , if he could put his ego aside , and join the staff . Or even promote Ben Gardner , and have him “Coach” the day to day , and have Madge run tactics and structures .
Like Josh Hannay said . The structures are in place , it’s just not being executed . Which says to me 2 things ;
There’s a communication issue , or the players are Neanderthals . As I’m going to assume the latter to be incorrect , we need to fix the former .

When Brooks had difficulty earlier in the year, I read an article on the shortage of halfbacks in the NRL. Interestingly, the difficulty Brooks was having was raised with Cleary and he said I played him to his strength which is running.

I believe Maguire is a my way or the highway merchant. Put Brooks with a strategic coach who can formulate game plans based on players' strengths and you have a different player. Mind you Brooks has been playing well.

Not disagreeing with you . I think that’s pretty obvious . Which is why I mention great assistants . And Madge relinquishing the reins to younger blood . There’s no reason why , with his clear tactical skills and love of the club , also desire to win, that Madge can’t be a manager type for years to come . But IMO , if he’s doesn’t do this , then he will be out on his arse . And it will be his hubris that’ll have caused it .

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

Yea maybe. I think Madge needs to step back away from the tactics , and fire his assistants for young , astute , guys , who he thinks could take his job one day . I understand he did that once , and the bloke actually did take his job , but he won’t succeed unless he does that , as his assistants are useless IMO , and they appear to be yes men , who the game has passed by .

The ability to sum up players' strengths and prepare a game plan based on those strengths is a gift coaches like Bennett, Sheens and Clearly possess. That is the difference.

I don’t think Madge doesn’t posses those . I think he does , I think his delivery of the message and relating that info , has shifted with the change in generation. For me , I’d put Robbie in the coaching team , and have him act as the go between , as he does on the field . I’d also ask Benji , if he could put his ego aside , and join the staff . Or even promote Ben Gardner , and have him “Coach” the day to day , and have Madge run tactics and structures .
Like Josh Hannay said . The structures are in place , it’s just not being executed . Which says to me 2 things ;
There’s a communication issue , or the players are Neanderthals . As I’m going to assume the latter to be incorrect , we need to fix the former .

When Brooks had difficulty earlier in the year, I read an article on the shortage of halfbacks in the NRL. Interestingly, the difficulty Brooks was having was raised with Cleary and he said I played him to his strength which is running.

I believe Maguire is a my way or the highway merchant. Put Brooks with a strategic coach who can formulate game plans based on players' strengths and you have a different player. Mind you Brooks has been playing well.

Not disagreeing with you . I think that’s pretty obvious . Which is why I mention great assistants . And Madge relinquishing the reins to younger blood . There’s no reason why , with his clear tactical skills and love of the club , also desire to win, that Madge can’t be a manager type for years to come . But IMO , if he’s doesn’t do this , then he will be out on his arse . And it will be his hubris that’ll have caused it .

I don't believe more capable assistants would be workable. Maguire doesn't strike me as the type to take advice. WTs needs a new coach and new assistants plus Sheens. Just my view of course.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

Kick metres don't mean anything, he doesn't find the grass! Kicks is straight down the throat of wingers and fullbacks, never kicks a 40/20, never kicks early to turn teams around just the same old kick straight to the winger

Can't remember the last time he forced a dropout. 7th is about right cause that's just average not the worst but not the best.

LOL . We are going around in circles . This has been disproved 3 times I think he last few hours , let alone how many in the last few years . If that’s what your going to use as ammunition, then I’d argue you are watching the games with a view for confirmation bias .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

It is no coincidence that in 2018 was his best year under Cleary who allowed him to play to his strengths with the odd cuddle. Cleary obviously is able to sum up the strengths of his players and tailor his game plan to suit. I don't like what he did to our club but he was on another level as a coach.

Paws who do you want to replace Madge with? I actually agree with this comment , but I also think Madge can hire the right assistants to provide this as well . But yea , who do you want to replace Madge if you HD your way ?

I would like a coach who can sum up the strengths of his squad and tailor a game plan to suit. I would like a coach who is a good communicator, has excellent people mgmt skills, tactician and presents a positive image for WTs. I think also a coach more in touch with the younger gen. is important.

I've always believed John Morris under Sheens' tutelage could work together well with Hartigan. All three have a proven history of success in junior development and are smart operators.

Yea maybe. I think Madge needs to step back away from the tactics , and fire his assistants for young , astute , guys , who he thinks could take his job one day . I understand he did that once , and the bloke actually did take his job , but he won’t succeed unless he does that , as his assistants are useless IMO , and they appear to be yes men , who the game has passed by .

The ability to sum up players' strengths and prepare a game plan based on those strengths is a gift coaches like Bennett, Sheens and Clearly possess. That is the difference.

I don’t think Madge doesn’t posses those . I think he does , I think his delivery of the message and relating that info , has shifted with the change in generation. For me , I’d put Robbie in the coaching team , and have him act as the go between , as he does on the field . I’d also ask Benji , if he could put his ego aside , and join the staff . Or even promote Ben Gardner , and have him “Coach” the day to day , and have Madge run tactics and structures .
Like Josh Hannay said . The structures are in place , it’s just not being executed . Which says to me 2 things ;
There’s a communication issue , or the players are Neanderthals . As I’m going to assume the latter to be incorrect , we need to fix the former .

When Brooks had difficulty earlier in the year, I read an article on the shortage of halfbacks in the NRL. Interestingly, the difficulty Brooks was having was raised with Cleary and he said I played him to his strength which is running.

I believe Maguire is a my way or the highway merchant. Put Brooks with a strategic coach who can formulate game plans based on players' strengths and you have a different player. Mind you Brooks has been playing well.

Not disagreeing with you . I think that’s pretty obvious . Which is why I mention great assistants . And Madge relinquishing the reins to younger blood . There’s no reason why , with his clear tactical skills and love of the club , also desire to win, that Madge can’t be a manager type for years to come . But IMO , if he’s doesn’t do this , then he will be out on his arse . And it will be his hubris that’ll have caused it .

I don't believe more capable assistants would be workable. Maguire doesn't strike me as the type to take advice. WTs needs a new coach and new assistants plus Sheens. Just my view of course.

I just hate the “it’s the coaches fault” arguement . Madge has done an amazing job of fixing our junior pathways , recruiting elite kids for the next generation( it hasn’t planned out yet , but I’m confident it will) , and I watch the games and totally get his tactics and in many cases agree with it .
Like yesterday . The tactic clearly was attack the line get to the edges and turn it inside , as thier middles can often be caught napping .
Also let’s nullify thier back 3 by looking to have the play due in thier 10m line or score a try . Which if executed correctly though tough defence , and controlling the collision , should have lead to us running them off the park .

Yet every time we didn’t score “lack of grubber “ lol , we didn’t win the following 6 in defence , and they were kicking from the halfway . We weren’t up for the grind . We should have been bashing them . But it didn’t happen . If it did , with where we were completing our sets , by halftime the Sharks would have been barely able to walk .
But we didn’t . And the whole game plan went out the window . It was the right plan though . Just executed poorly

 

[JC99]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

Kick metres don't mean anything, he doesn't find the grass! Kicks is straight down the throat of wingers and fullbacks, never kicks a 40/20, never kicks early to turn teams around just the same old kick straight to the winger

Can't remember the last time he forced a dropout. 7th is about right cause that's just average not the worst but not the best.

LOL . We are going around in circles . This has been disproved 3 times I think he last few hours , let alone how many in the last few years . If that’s what your going to use as ammunition, then I’d argue you are watching the games with a view for confirmation bias .

How has him having a poor long kicking game been disproved at all? Please enlighten me lol and no, kick metres doesn't mean he has a good long kicking game, it means he hasn't missed a game and does majority of our kicking.

It's clear as day to literally everyone except some tigers fans that brooks is not a game managing controlling halfback who can lead a team around. He's not a terrible player but lacks those important skills

Please watch him compared to the top line halfbacks. He's not even close to their kind of kicking and game management. Cleary and DCE carried their teams back into games with kicking alone

 

[hobbo1]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

Kick metres don't mean anything, he doesn't find the grass! Kicks is straight down the throat of wingers and fullbacks, never kicks a 40/20, never kicks early to turn teams around just the same old kick straight to the winger

Can't remember the last time he forced a dropout. 7th is about right cause that's just average not the worst but not the best.

LOL . We are going around in circles . This has been disproved 3 times I think he last few hours , let alone how many in the last few years . If that’s what your going to use as ammunition, then I’d argue you are watching the games with a view for confirmation bias .

How has him having a poor long kicking game been disproved at all? Please enlighten me lol and no, kick metres doesn't mean he has a good long kicking game, it means he hasn't missed a game and does majority of our kicking.

It's clear as day to literally everyone except some tigers fans that brooks is not a game managing controlling halfback who can lead a team around. He's not a terrible player but lacks those important skills

Brooks must be paying some of these fan boys to go into bat for him ..
Mind boggling ?

 

[JC99]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

Kick metres don't mean anything, he doesn't find the grass! Kicks is straight down the throat of wingers and fullbacks, never kicks a 40/20, never kicks early to turn teams around just the same old kick straight to the winger

Can't remember the last time he forced a dropout. 7th is about right cause that's just average not the worst but not the best.

LOL . We are going around in circles . This has been disproved 3 times I think he last few hours , let alone how many in the last few years . If that’s what your going to use as ammunition, then I’d argue you are watching the games with a view for confirmation bias .

How has him having a poor long kicking game been disproved at all? Please enlighten me lol and no, kick metres doesn't mean he has a good long kicking game, it means he hasn't missed a game and does majority of our kicking.

It's clear as day to literally everyone except some tigers fans that brooks is not a game managing controlling halfback who can lead a team around. He's not a terrible player but lacks those important skills

Brooks must be paying some of these fan boys to go into bat for him ..
Mind boggling ?

His 9th year of first grade will be the year he takes it to the next level, I believe!

 

[hobbo1]

Backing a half that can’t even get a repeat set … laughable

He is actually 7th in the NRL for fdo.. shocked me too..

1st for line engaged, he and AD only non top 8 halves in top 10 for TA's, Top 5 for kick metres.

If we made the 8, this thread doesnt exist. If we could defend, we are in the 8.

Yep and the plan to address that appears to be move on anyone that can actually defend at NRL Standard

What’s the point in paying and playing a half just to tackle ?
He’s got no kicking game mate ..
is that why he’s a half .. only has half a game ?

He’s had heaps of try assists this year off kicks ! What are you talking about? The lack of kicking yesterday , to me , appears to have been a tactic to nullify thier back 3 . Worked until they took hitups and ran at the middle third , and Walters’ arm grabbing and Tuki just bouncing off stronger more developed men .

Also we just haven’t figured out where the thresholds are with holding down in the ruck . Other teams have it sussed . We are either too long or short , every week . Seriously we have Gavin Badger , how is he not on top of this . I would make it his direct responsibility to get the ruck speed right .

The only kick he's got is the chip kick near the try line for Maumalo or Doueihi. He doesn't ***force repeat sets*** or set up tries with grubber, he doesn't kick 40/20's and his ***long kicking is just abysmal***. It's the biggest weakness in his game and in a league that relies on pressure and field position more and more every week it's costly

7th in the NRL for forced drop outs, 4th in the NRL for kick metres. He isnt God but this narrative that he is abysmal has no basis in reality (waiting for I see it with my own eyes and dont need stats...).

Kick metres don't mean anything, he doesn't find the grass! Kicks is straight down the throat of wingers and fullbacks, never kicks a 40/20, never kicks early to turn teams around just the same old kick straight to the winger

Can't remember the last time he forced a dropout. 7th is about right cause that's just average not the worst but not the best.

LOL . We are going around in circles . This has been disproved 3 times I think he last few hours , let alone how many in the last few years . If that’s what your going to use as ammunition, then I’d argue you are watching the games with a view for confirmation bias .

How has him having a poor long kicking game been disproved at all? Please enlighten me lol and no, kick metres doesn't mean he has a good long kicking game, it means he hasn't missed a game and does majority of our kicking.

It's clear as day to literally everyone except some tigers fans that brooks is not a game managing controlling halfback who can lead a team around. He's not a terrible player but lacks those important skills

Brooks must be paying some of these fan boys to go into bat for him ..
Mind boggling ?

His 9th year of first grade will be the year he takes it to the next level, I believe!

This is his 9th year ?