Luke Brooks

[Deleted member 3518]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

Yea Moses didn’t do that once . It was Mahoney from memory, amd Gutho.
People say parra killed us , I have to disagree . Their first try , which really killed all the momentum we had , had a guy run behind 3 of his players , which is bull crap . It doesn’t matter if the defensive line was impeached , it’s a god damn shepherd . Like the type your grandpa showed you not to do as a kid .

They scored another , off a blatant forward pass from dummy half , not even close to 50/50 , and another which iced the game , from a clearly offside gutho. I get playing to the whistle and winning key moments ,but geez we get a rough go with the refs. Not to mention 6 agains , where I have no idea what theyre for .
Sure we have issues , like our edge defence , and concentrating for 80 mins . But I would just like for once to get a 50/50 go our way , as for me , there’s some unconscious bias going on in the referee ranks .

 

[twentyforty]

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Don’t look if you’re anti Brooks, because the stats say he’s doing ok

Stats can tell us what ever we want, 42% of people know this.

I don’t know where you got the 42%? I’m more inclined to stick with Pareto on that sort of guesswork ?

 

[JC99]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

When it lands 10 metres out I'm talking about attacking kicks, when it lands 30 metres out in talking about long kicks.

The best team kick long and turn teams around, can't remember the last time brooks did that. Cleary dropped nearly every kick right on the tryline last night. That's what top halves do caused major problems for raiders

 

[twentyforty]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

Yea Moses didn’t do that once . It was Mahoney from memory, amd Gutho.
People say parra killed us , I have to disagree . Their first try , which really killed all the momentum we had , had a guy run behind 3 of his players , which is bull crap . It doesn’t matter if the defensive line was impeached , it’s a god damn shepherd . Like the type your grandpa showed you not to do as a kid .

They scored another , off a blatant forward pass from dummy half , not even close to 50/50 , and another which iced the game , from a clearly offside gutho. I get playing to the whistle and winning key moments ,but geez we get a rough go with the refs. Not to mention 6 agains , where I have no idea what theyre for .
Sure we have issues , like our edge defence , and concentrating for 80 mins . But I would just like for once to get a 50/50 go our way , as for me , there’s some unconscious bias going on in the referee ranks .

Good point regarding the 6 agains Strongee. If the audience doesn’t know why a ref penalises a team then the rule should be scrapped, because it opens up an unwanted opportunity for spectators to form their own opinion which may not be accurate.
And therefore potentially developing mistrust with refs.

 

[Needaname]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

When it lands 10 metres out I'm talking about attacking kicks, when it lands 30 metres out in talking about long kicks.

The best team kick long and turn teams around, can't remember the last time brooks did that. Cleary dropped nearly every kick right on the tryline last night. That's what top halves do caused major problems for raiders

Ok so I count it 2 from 2 for your attacking kicks or maybe even 3 from 3 if you consider the try to Stephano even though that was more in the long kick vicinity of the field.
1. Kepoa miss times the tackle, ball lands 2m out, a metre from the sideline
2. This kick is tapped by Lucy and we score.
3. This kick is fumbled by Ferguson and we score.
There was also a 4th from 40 out that landed in Talaus lap and the on going play from that led to a repeat set.
Early in the second half Brooks called and kicked the ball on the 3rd behind the 40. It was a low kick and ended up being a grubber instead of a driving kick, he obviously had poor contact on the ball then, but the intention was excellent. Saw Gutherson mid field and called it straight off Liddle and went to kick it down to the 20. A sweet strike and that would of been a great play. But gee I have to agree with the minority here, Brooks is really improving each game. His kick execution is still off for low / grubbers but I think his really pushing himself to get back in form through effort.

 

[jirskyr]

This thread interests me only because I wonder if anyone legitimately believes Jock Madden is an alternative to Brooks. From what I've seen of Madden, the answer is no.

After Madden there is nobody else close to being NRL standard, not unless we run out some cobbled halves pairing like Moses and Doueihi.

I'm all for giving Madden a run and, hell, why not drop Brooks and see what happens with an alternative strategy? Madge can do it and I won't be upset - most fans would cop it.

Buy my head and heart both tell me that Brooks' replacement would just get mauled, worse than Brooks. Until we sign a legitimate replacement, or some kid from the juniors gets old enough and good enough, Brooks it is... kind of pointless banging on about it every week.

Out of curiosity, do you see Brooks as the halfback who can lead us to top 4 in the next 2 years? Or even top 8? What % would you give?

I know it's not all up to the halfback and yeh Madden might not be ready yet but I think we should tell Brooks he's free to look elsewhere so we can start planning without him. You're saying there isn't a succession plan which is fair but we can't make that plan without him. We can't speak to Reynolds with Brooks on the books.

I think there is a succession plan, but the player in question (Madden) is possibly not up to scratch. As I read Warren Ryan saying in the paper today, "good halfbacks are as rare as rocking horse turds". He of course didn't use the word "turds".

Can Luke Brooks lead WT to the finals? I say yes, I think he can. Is the roster good enough to help him do that? I think for 2020 the answer is maybe. I think for 2021, the answer is better than maybe. I think Tigers are moving in the right direction and I think there is a tipping point for a club when the roster clicks and your half is allowed to play with less pressure, and the outcome less dependent on the 1%ers of the halfback.

You look for example at Milford, highly maligned right now. Brandy said he's a money thief. But the dude led the Broncos to the GF only 5 years ago and the Broncos have only missed the finals once since he joined from Canberra. That's 83% success rate for making the finals with Milford in the halves.

But apparently now Milford is cooked. Maybe he is. Or maybe his team is in such a bad place that he himself can't achieve better form. Also, Broncos got impatient with their wily old coach (sound familiar, right?) and booted him for a new exciting guy from Souths with great powerpoint skills (familiar?), who turns out couldn't man-manage effectively. Now Broncos have looked to an old tougher coach to try and get them back on track, and they are seeing how long it takes to claw your way back.

I have a similar question - could Tim Sheens have gotten Tigers back into the finals after 2012? I believe he could have. But at the time, Tigers had a new-found taste for winning and thought they could continue on without Sheens, of whom they had grown tired. Sheens only got us to the finals 3 times in 10 seasons, but in hindsight that's a record we would have preferred to keep on as a minimum, given we would have played finals 3 more times since Sheens was punted.

 

[jirskyr]

Yea Moses didn’t do that once . It was Mahoney from memory, amd Gutho.
People say parra killed us , I have to disagree . Their first try , which really killed all the momentum we had , had a guy run behind 3 of his players , which is bull crap . It doesn’t matter if the defensive line was impeached , it’s a god damn shepherd . Like the type your grandpa showed you not to do as a kid .

You know what though, if our players pushed up more aggressively it would have compelled the ref to call a shepherd. Standing back passively and sticking your arms out does nothing. It's that same passive defence that allowed Parra to run in 5 tries from 5 repeat sets, to more or less win the game by the 60th minute.

Tigers staged a good comeback, but that was only assisted by Slimy Fart's bad goal kicking.

 

[jirskyr]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

Yea Moses didn’t do that once . It was Mahoney from memory, amd Gutho.
People say parra killed us , I have to disagree . Their first try , which really killed all the momentum we had , had a guy run behind 3 of his players , which is bull crap . It doesn’t matter if the defensive line was impeached , it’s a god damn shepherd . Like the type your grandpa showed you not to do as a kid .

They scored another , off a blatant forward pass from dummy half , not even close to 50/50 , and another which iced the game , from a clearly offside gutho. I get playing to the whistle and winning key moments ,but geez we get a rough go with the refs. Not to mention 6 agains , where I have no idea what theyre for .
Sure we have issues , like our edge defence , and concentrating for 80 mins . But I would just like for once to get a 50/50 go our way , as for me , there’s some unconscious bias going on in the referee ranks .

Good point regarding the 6 agains Strongee. If the audience doesn’t know why a ref penalises a team then the rule should be scrapped, because it opens up an unwanted opportunity for spectators to form their own opinion which may not be accurate.
And therefore potentially developing mistrust with refs.

It's not helping. But how does a ref signal the reason without stopping play? They'd probably have to call the explanation to the video ref on the mike and put it on the screen, because they only give an indicator for actual game-stopping penalties.

 

[Needaname]

Yea Moses didn’t do that once . It was Mahoney from memory, amd Gutho.
People say parra killed us , I have to disagree . Their first try , which really killed all the momentum we had , had a guy run behind 3 of his players , which is bull crap . It doesn’t matter if the defensive line was impeached , it’s a god damn shepherd . Like the type your grandpa showed you not to do as a kid .

You know what though, if our players pushed up more aggressively it would have compelled the ref to call a shepherd. Standing back passively and sticking your arms out does nothing. It's that same passive defence that allowed Parra to run in 5 tries from 5 repeat sets, to more or less win the game by the 60th minute.

Tigers staged a good comeback, but that was only assisted by Slimy Fart's bad goal kicking.

True, if only Tamou or liddle pushed one of the Parra players out of the way or into Moses, ironically though the same thing happened in the roosters game and it got called differently.
The gulf between us and the top teams is really only attitude. Watching last nights game, both teams were making every post a winner putting it all on the line from the kick off. We seem to be trying to keep our energy to stay in the game. If we played with a higher tempo we would put on more points and make the opposition tire out in the second half so I’m not really convinced our current strategy is the effective one at the moment. In saying that we are fighting to get an edge just not in the right areas.

Sorry really didn’t need to go in the Brooks thread

 

[JC99]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

When it lands 10 metres out I'm talking about attacking kicks, when it lands 30 metres out in talking about long kicks.

The best team kick long and turn teams around, can't remember the last time brooks did that. Cleary dropped nearly every kick right on the tryline last night. That's what top halves do caused major problems for raiders

Ok so I count it 2 from 2 for your attacking kicks or maybe even 3 from 3 if you consider the try to Stephano even though that was more in the long kick vicinity of the field.
1. Kepoa miss times the tackle, ball lands 2m out, a metre from the sideline
2. This kick is tapped by Lucy and we score.
3. This kick is fumbled by Ferguson and we score.
There was also a 4th from 40 out that landed in Talaus lap and the on going play from that led to a repeat set.
Early in the second half Brooks called and kicked the ball on the 3rd behind the 40. It was a low kick and ended up being a grubber instead of a driving kick, he obviously had poor contact on the ball then, but the intention was excellent. Saw Gutherson mid field and called it straight off Liddle and went to kick it down to the 20. A sweet strike and that would of been a great play. But gee I have to agree with the minority here, Brooks is really improving each game. His kick execution is still off for low / grubbers but I think his really pushing himself to get back in form through effort.

Don't get me wrong he is improving compared to the start of the year (shouldn't be hard he was awful) but just don't see how he had a 'good' kicking game. There were plenty that didn't land where they needed to. A good kicking game is getting majority of them right which he didn't, that's what halves like Reynolds and Cleary do. Let's see how he goes against a team which isn't as good tomorrow

 

[hobbo1]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

When it lands 10 metres out I'm talking about attacking kicks, when it lands 30 metres out in talking about long kicks.

The best team kick long and turn teams around, can't remember the last time brooks did that. Cleary dropped nearly every kick right on the tryline last night. That's what top halves do caused major problems for raiders

Ok so I count it 2 from 2 for your attacking kicks or maybe even 3 from 3 if you consider the try to Stephano even though that was more in the long kick vicinity of the field.
1. Kepoa miss times the tackle, ball lands 2m out, a metre from the sideline
2. This kick is tapped by Lucy and we score.
3. This kick is fumbled by Ferguson and we score.
There was also a 4th from 40 out that landed in Talaus lap and the on going play from that led to a repeat set.
Early in the second half Brooks called and kicked the ball on the 3rd behind the 40. It was a low kick and ended up being a grubber instead of a driving kick, he obviously had poor contact on the ball then, but the intention was excellent. Saw Gutherson mid field and called it straight off Liddle and went to kick it down to the 20. A sweet strike and that would of been a great play. But gee I have to agree with the minority here, Brooks is really improving each game. His kick execution is still off for low / grubbers but I think his really pushing himself to get back in form through effort.

Don't get me wrong he is improving compared to the start of the year (shouldn't be hard he was awful) but just don't see how he had a 'good' kicking game. There were plenty that didn't land where they needed to. A good kicking game is getting majority of them right which he didn't, that's what halves like Reynolds and Cleary do. Let's see how he goes against a team which isn't as good tomorrow

Brooks Comaneci 9.9 ?

Most likely out of 100 ?

 

[Needaname]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

When it lands 10 metres out I'm talking about attacking kicks, when it lands 30 metres out in talking about long kicks.

The best team kick long and turn teams around, can't remember the last time brooks did that. Cleary dropped nearly every kick right on the tryline last night. That's what top halves do caused major problems for raiders

Ok so I count it 2 from 2 for your attacking kicks or maybe even 3 from 3 if you consider the try to Stephano even though that was more in the long kick vicinity of the field.
1. Kepoa miss times the tackle, ball lands 2m out, a metre from the sideline
2. This kick is tapped by Lucy and we score.
3. This kick is fumbled by Ferguson and we score.
There was also a 4th from 40 out that landed in Talaus lap and the on going play from that led to a repeat set.
Early in the second half Brooks called and kicked the ball on the 3rd behind the 40. It was a low kick and ended up being a grubber instead of a driving kick, he obviously had poor contact on the ball then, but the intention was excellent. Saw Gutherson mid field and called it straight off Liddle and went to kick it down to the 20. A sweet strike and that would of been a great play. But gee I have to agree with the minority here, Brooks is really improving each game. His kick execution is still off for low / grubbers but I think his really pushing himself to get back in form through effort.

Don't get me wrong he is improving compared to the start of the year (shouldn't be hard he was awful) but just don't see how he had a 'good' kicking game. There were plenty that didn't land where they needed to. A good kicking game is getting majority of them right which he didn't, that's what halves like Reynolds and Cleary do. Let's see how he goes against a team which isn't as good tomorrow

No unfortunately this time you are incorrect. All his attacking kicks landed where they needed to.
He miss kicked one long kick and bombed one kick from inside his 30 that landed at the eels 20. Other than that we had Doueihi’s unpredictable and certainly not placed bombs, Laurie with a long and short kick that ended up gifting the eels field position and Garner putting up a bomb.
I know everyone doesn’t have time to re watch a game but however in this case Brooks got 5 out of his 7 kicks right.

 

[jirskyr]

Sorry really didn’t need to go in the Brooks thread

Mate this thread is flogged anyway, go for your life.

 

[JC99]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

When it lands 10 metres out I'm talking about attacking kicks, when it lands 30 metres out in talking about long kicks.

The best team kick long and turn teams around, can't remember the last time brooks did that. Cleary dropped nearly every kick right on the tryline last night. That's what top halves do caused major problems for raiders

Ok so I count it 2 from 2 for your attacking kicks or maybe even 3 from 3 if you consider the try to Stephano even though that was more in the long kick vicinity of the field.
1. Kepoa miss times the tackle, ball lands 2m out, a metre from the sideline
2. This kick is tapped by Lucy and we score.
3. This kick is fumbled by Ferguson and we score.
There was also a 4th from 40 out that landed in Talaus lap and the on going play from that led to a repeat set.
Early in the second half Brooks called and kicked the ball on the 3rd behind the 40. It was a low kick and ended up being a grubber instead of a driving kick, he obviously had poor contact on the ball then, but the intention was excellent. Saw Gutherson mid field and called it straight off Liddle and went to kick it down to the 20. A sweet strike and that would of been a great play. But gee I have to agree with the minority here, Brooks is really improving each game. His kick execution is still off for low / grubbers but I think his really pushing himself to get back in form through effort.

Don't get me wrong he is improving compared to the start of the year (shouldn't be hard he was awful) but just don't see how he had a 'good' kicking game. There were plenty that didn't land where they needed to. A good kicking game is getting majority of them right which he didn't, that's what halves like Reynolds and Cleary do. Let's see how he goes against a team which isn't as good tomorrow

No unfortunately this time you are incorrect. All his attacking kicks landed where they needed to.
He miss kicked one long kick and bombed one kick from inside his 30 that landed at the eels 20. Other than that we had Doueihi’s unpredictable and certainly not placed bombs, Laurie with a long and short kick that ended up gifting the eels field position and Garner putting up a bomb.
I know everyone doesn’t have time to re watch a game but however in this case Brooks got 5 out of his 7 kicks right.

There is no way in hell he got every attacking kick right ? I specifically remember watching to see if he landed his attacking kicks on the try line, and he didn't a couple times. That's what I count as a good attacking kick.

I'm not some person who has big bias against him either I like brooksy, I just noticed his kicking game has been mostly average this season especially near the tryline. We are not building pressure and forcing repeat sets!

Hopefully against a weaker time he will play well and work on those few things.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Yea Moses didn’t do that once . It was Mahoney from memory, amd Gutho.
People say parra killed us , I have to disagree . Their first try , which really killed all the momentum we had , had a guy run behind 3 of his players , which is bull crap . It doesn’t matter if the defensive line was impeached , it’s a god damn shepherd . Like the type your grandpa showed you not to do as a kid .

You know what though, if our players pushed up more aggressively it would have compelled the ref to call a shepherd. Standing back passively and sticking your arms out does nothing. It's that same passive defence that allowed Parra to run in 5 tries from 5 repeat sets, to more or less win the game by the 60th minute.

Tigers staged a good comeback, but that was only assisted by Slimy Fart's bad goal kicking.

Yea , maybe . To me , it more shows how some refs like Sutton and Klein , just over analyse stupid stuff like hands on the ball , but leave basic rules like forward pass , and shepherds . To me it screams over coaching , much like brooks , and now there’s been a huge market correction back something resembling what footy should be , but there’s now huge residual effects .

I bet the best refs in a couple of years will be guys who came through very recently , as they will be the least influenced by mental ref strategies eg . Keeping scores close , even penalty counts , 2 referees , way too much focus on things like hands on ball etc.

Hopefully brooks can drop all that garbage coaches into him as well . I think it’s starting to happen , as his confidence grows . But yes , it has to happen very soon , as the Wolves are circling the campsite .

 

[twentyforty]

How can anyone think Brooks had a good game with his kicking last week? He did 7 kicks and ONE was effective. That's not a good outcome at all..... the one time he landed it on the try line we scored off it, all the other kicks landed 10 metres out. He never once turned around the opposition with a long kick into a corner either.

He puts the same two kicks in. A long kick straight down the throat of the opposition, or a short high kick that doesn't land on the try line. He doesn't even attempt grubber kicks into the in goal anymore after booting them all dead. In fact all we did was give it to Doueihi to kick because he's so much better at it.

Kicking is the #1 thing he needs to fix. His passing and running game has been good the last two weeks but if he wants to be a HALFBACK who leads the team around he needs to be better with the boot. I can't remember the last time we forced a dropout with a good kick or found the grass in the corner

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but just because Doueihi has a high torp that Ferguson and Gutho struggled to catch doesn’t mean his kicking game is “so much better”. Apart from those bombs his kicking game was actually not much better

How do you know that Brooks isn’t instructed by Madge to mid field bomb? it’s actually a common tactic in today’s game and most teams do it. Like they say, your kick is only as good as your chase and maybe we aren’t getting the 1%’rs right

So what you're saying is if you take out all the good kicks Adam did his kicking wasn't much better than brooks?

If Madge is coaching brooks to kick straight down the throat of the opposition every single time then he needs to be sacked on the spot. Watch how Moses continually found the corners and turned us around - brooks was dropping them 30 metres out.

Field position is so crucial and brooks just isn't good at it. He's not a bad player but he's not a halfback either.

Do you change your context to suit your agenda. In your post before this you mentioned Brooks continuely had the ball landing 10 meters out. Now it’s 30 out.
If you notice trends, a high bomb that lands on the 10m line is more effective than a long kick to the corners.
Just think logically for a second now and consider this. If our kick chasers can’t line up to to strongly defend a bomb with plenty of hang time to get under. What hope does our halves have with our kick chasers if they kick on the ground to the corner?
To get a kick in that position, you need to launch the ball low and hard. That would be asking our chase to move 3x as quick otherwise the first tackle would be on the 40 m line every time.

Yea Moses didn’t do that once . It was Mahoney from memory, amd Gutho.
People say parra killed us , I have to disagree . Their first try , which really killed all the momentum we had , had a guy run behind 3 of his players , which is bull crap . It doesn’t matter if the defensive line was impeached , it’s a god damn shepherd . Like the type your grandpa showed you not to do as a kid .

They scored another , off a blatant forward pass from dummy half , not even close to 50/50 , and another which iced the game , from a clearly offside gutho. I get playing to the whistle and winning key moments ,but geez we get a rough go with the refs. Not to mention 6 agains , where I have no idea what theyre for .
Sure we have issues , like our edge defence , and concentrating for 80 mins . But I would just like for once to get a 50/50 go our way , as for me , there’s some unconscious bias going on in the referee ranks .

Good point regarding the 6 agains Strongee. If the audience doesn’t know why a ref penalises a team then the rule should be scrapped, because it opens up an unwanted opportunity for spectators to form their own opinion which may not be accurate.
And therefore potentially developing mistrust with refs.

It's not helping. But how does a ref signal the reason without stopping play? They'd probably have to call the explanation to the video ref on the mike and put it on the screen, because they only give an indicator for actual game-stopping penalties.

The refs have coms, their explanation given to the players can also be converted to text onto the big screen or into your living room within the same timeframe as the alarm and “six again” pop up. I don’t know how they do that, but surely the technology exists. Is it possible that the rule is still under trial? I can’t remember a time this early in the season when Sportsbet has such high odds on so many teams.

 

[happy_tiger]

Moses for Brooks ..watch us soar like eagles

 

[Deleted member 3518]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/players?editiondata=none&fromakamai=true&pt=none&device=DESKTOP&sortBy=tryAssists&wpa=BB44D82C3D7223D393F2AE47579FB5EA6791ABE4&position=halfback
Don’t look if you’re anti Brooks, because the stats say he’s doing ok

Stats can tell us what ever we want, 42% of people know this.


I don’t know where you got the 42%? I’m more inclined to stick with Pareto on that sort of guesswork ?

70% of all stats are made up.

 

[Merlot]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/players?editiondata=none&fromakamai=true&pt=none&device=DESKTOP&sortBy=tryAssists&wpa=BB44D82C3D7223D393F2AE47579FB5EA6791ABE4&position=halfback
Don’t look if you’re anti Brooks, because the stats say he’s doing ok

Stats can tell us what ever we want, 42% of people know this.


I don’t know where you got the 42%? I’m more inclined to stick with Pareto on that sort of guesswork ?

70% of all stats are made up.

statistically speaking r u sure they are fibs

 

[Dyloh]

Are teams trying to drop the kicks on the try line? Wouldn’t it be better to have it land in their 10 so they can’t just have a foot over the line, caught in goal for a 7 tackle set?