Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jrtiger]

I reckon let Madge finish his contract. I can’t see how changing the coach changes anything especially long term. We need better players.

Madge can't attract better players, or any decent players, he has a reputation and that is where we are at, and he can't coach the ones he has signed.
It makes no sense to keep going with the same players on the same trajectory Madge has us on, it will be harder to dig ourselves out of the hole after another season of getting worse

so you think Doueihi, Stefano, Laurie, Ofahengaue, Blore, Tuilagi, Maumalo, Simpkins, Simpkin & Leilua are poor footballers? players that were already at the club before he arrived in Seyfarth, Garner & Mikaele have improved under Madge, even Chee-Kam's had his moments.

yes we've struggled to bring a marquee to the club, but what marquee would want to play here, regardless of the coach. look at our recent big money signings. Russell Packer, Moses M'Bye, Josh Reynolds, Adam Blair. they don't work out here. better off doing what we have done in recent past and create our own superstars. Stefano, Doueihi, Blore, Ogden, Laurie & Simpkin will play that role very soon. Madge has been able to recruit those players.

 

[twentyforty]

“Many factors affect individual players' remuneration levels. Some of the reasons why a player may sign with a club include:

Staying close to the player's home town and family.
The chance to work with one of the top coaches in the game.
Being part of a winning team and the potential to play in the Telstra Premiership Finals Series or Grand Final.
Increased opportunity to play NRL with that club due to a lack of competition for the player's preferred position.
The increased profile a player may enjoy in a one-team town.
The number of support staff, their expertise and the support facilities.
Education and welfare support structures.
In addition, a player's salary package may include benefits that are specifically excluded from the Salary Cap, such as the payment of medical premiums, relocation payments, prize money, university fees etc.”

Which of the above points/dominant buy in motives would apply to WT?

 

[twentyforty]

I would rather get the spoon over the next 2 years than pay big bucks for another retiree which only serves to reinforce the “keep clear” sign on our front lawn.

 

[jrtiger]

I would rather get the spoon over the next 2 years than pay big bucks for another retiree which only serves to reinforce the “keep clear” sign on our front lawn.

I don't think we're going to be making those mistakes anymore mate. the deal we offered to Finucane underlines that. we've been burnt too many times. the Joey Manu's and Brandon Smith's are the types of players I think you'll see us move for, not players that are tipped to go to another level, paying them accordingly and then seeing them do a fraction of what they did at their former club for quadruple the salary.

 

[851]

I reckon let Madge finish his contract. I can’t see how changing the coach changes anything especially long term. We need better players.

Madge can't attract better players, or any decent players, he has a reputation and that is where we are at, and he can't coach the ones he has signed.
It makes no sense to keep going with the same players on the same trajectory Madge has us on, it will be harder to dig ourselves out of the hole after another season of getting worse

so you think Doueihi, Stefano, Laurie, Ofahengaue, Blore, Tuilagi, Maumalo, Simpkins, Simpkin & Leilua are poor footballers? players that were already at the club before he arrived in Seyfarth, Garner & Mikaele have improved under Madge, even Chee-Kam's had his moments.

yes we've struggled to bring a marquee to the club, but what marquee would want to play here, regardless of the coach. look at our recent big money signings. Russell Packer, Moses M'Bye, Josh Reynolds, Adam Blair. they don't work out here. better off doing what we have done in recent past and create our own superstars. Stefano, Doueihi, Blore, Ogden, Laurie & Simpkin will play that role very soon. Madge has been able to recruit those players.

I don't think Mikele has improved, I actually think he is getting worse, Laurie I don't see as an improver as such, he was always that good but never got game time at Penrith.
Luch was very good in his last 6 games for Saints, but he is no 80 minute player as Madge is using him, Joe is passionate and I like that, Doueihi was good at souths, he is just carrying that form, he should be left alone at 6 and not shuffling him around, Simpkin is getting a real rough deal considering how poor Liddle has been playing.
Madge has done well with some juniors, but nothing that screams out he is worth keeping considering how poor the NRL team are now

 

[Needaname]

I'd go for Shane Flanagan. Players seem to like him. What we have ain't working.

No thank you

I agree....big no for flanagan

1. Sack Maguire

For who?

Separate issues. Maguire's sacking is not dependent upon a replacement.

As is often said, "better the devil you know".

To sack Maguire without a continuity plan, without some confidence of a replacement - that's mismanagement. One of your least sensible suggestions.

Multi national companies and Federal/State Department change CEOs and Directors routinely. Changing a football coach cannot be too difficult

And you conveniently forget we have Sheens and Hartigan to provide continuity.

You show me a big company that changes the CEO, except for unlawful activity, without having the replacement already lined up. Business suicide and your stocks will tank.

Removing a football coach isn't difficult - just tell him not to come back. Replacing a football coach is very difficult.

I didn't conveniently forget anything. You want a 70 year old ex-coach who hasn't been in the country for several years to caretake for an unspecified time until we replace the head coach? And a football general manager to help him.

I'm sorry it's a dumb suggestion to remove a coach without a proper replacement. By all means, go sign up Ciraldo or someone else (no drug or suspension cheats thanks) and let Madge finish the season, or install a caretaker if Madge quits a la John Morris, but don't just hook him with no proper replacement lined up.

But sharks did this, and its been seen as such a smart move…

 

[Telltails]

The position of our team on the table reflects the roster that we currently have. How many of our players have experienced what it takes to play finals footy in FG - James Tamou! To suggest they are even close is delusional. All the young blokes have got valuable experience this year but this current squad is not finals standard Maguire or no Maguire.

 

[iofthetigers]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

 

[avocadoontoast]

How many of our players have experienced what it takes to play finals footy in FG - James Tamou!

Joe O
BJ
JTJ
AD
Maumolo
Luc
Mbye
Packer

Have all played finals football.

 

[TheDaBoss]

How many of our players have experienced what it takes to play finals footy in FG - James Tamou!

Joe O
BJ
JTJ
AD
Maumolo
Luc
Mbye
Packer

Have all played finals football.

Oporto guy took a firework to the face in finals footy

 

[avocadoontoast]

How many of our players have experienced what it takes to play finals footy in FG - James Tamou!

Joe O
BJ
JTJ
AD
Maumolo
Luc
Mbye
Packer

Have all played finals football.

Oporto guy took a firework to the face in finals footy

He's never been the same since.

 

[TrueTiger]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

 

[Telltails]

How many of our players have experienced what it takes to play finals footy in FG - James Tamou!

Joe O
BJ
JTJ
AD
Maumolo
Luc
Mbye
Packer

Have all played finals football.

Packer BJ not good enough to be in the side or any side JTJ little or no contribution - some would say Mybe not much better. So AD Luc once probably two of our best players - but not in any position to be

How many of our players have experienced what it takes to play finals footy in FG - James Tamou!

Joe O
BJ
JTJ
AD
Maumolo
Luc
Mbye
Packer

Have all played finals football.

BJ Packer JTJ passed it. Mybe not committed to the club. So we got AD, LL - maybe one series, and a discarded JO - a combination of youngsters and players with no experience of what it
takes to win. It's going to take more than that 5o to break the drought.

 

[iofthetigers]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

 

[TrueTiger]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

So did Russell Packer ,but people still chastise him and treat him like a criminal even though he paid his dues and educated himself...
Russell acted out of a moment of rage and brain snap..it happens ...Flannagan knew what was going on from the moment Dank stepped foot in the door....

for me no comparison at all...

sorry if my opinion is different to yours....I see what is and I see what can be....

 

[cochise]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

He shouldn't be allowed to be around young players, he has shown he can not be trusted in that role. It is not worth risking the young people the club is responsible for.

 

[iofthetigers]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

He shouldn't be allowed to be around young players, he has shown he can not be trusted in that role. It is not worth risking the young people the club is responsible for.

I don’t know the whole situation & I don’t believe he was the only one that knew what happened & that something like that would happen again, especially in a club like the Tigers with the structure that is in place. Once again he has paid his dues & I am happy to support any change of head coach as no change at all would be negligent.

 

[TrueTiger]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

He shouldn't be allowed to be around young players, he has shown he can not be trusted in that role. It is not worth risking the young people the club is responsible for.

I don’t know the whole situation & I don’t believe he was the only one that knew what happened & that something like that would happen again, especially in a club like the Tigers with the structure that is in place. Once again he has paid his dues & I am happy to support any change of head coach as no change at all would be negligent.

Any change at all would be negligent.......In your opinion....

 

[cochise]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

He shouldn't be allowed to be around young players, he has shown he can not be trusted in that role. It is not worth risking the young people the club is responsible for.

I don’t know the whole situation & I don’t believe he was the only one that knew what happened & that something like that would happen again, especially in a club like the Tigers with the structure that is in place. Once again he has paid his dues & I am happy to support any change of head coach as no change at all would be negligent.

He may have paid is dues but certain actions disqualify you from working with young people, I believe this should be one such situation. I would not want my kids in his care when they are teenagers.

 

[Alltheway]

Watch the dressingroom before/halftime/after the game, he’s lost them. Just yelling and swearing at them over and over again gets old quick!
I know there is not much on offer but I would take the drug cheat any day over this hoax. Our season is done and he still picks Chee Kim who won’t be here next year, instead of giving Ogden or Cini a go at centre, he’s got no idea.
We are just wasting more years with him there. My problem with Flanagan is how would he work with sheens? They don’t seem like they would mix.