Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Red88_Tiger]

Watch the dressingroom before/halftime/after the game, he’s lost them. Just yelling and swearing at them over and over again gets old quick!
I know there is not much on offer but I would take the drug cheat any day over this hoax. Our season is done and he still picks Chee Kim who won’t be here next year, instead of giving Ogden or Cini a go at centre, he’s got no idea.
We are just wasting more years with him there. My problem with Flanagan is how would he work with sheens? They don’t seem like they would mix.

My brother played under Gould in the early 90's at Penrith and he has maintained his friendship with him ever since. Not long they had a catch up and Gould said to him that you have 2 blasts a year at the most and that's it, otherwise the blast loses its effect and you can lose the players - so you need to be really careful with when you get up your players. I just watched NRL 360 and when Blocker was asked of his opinion he said yelling and screaming doesn't work. He too said once or twice a year only. I just don't think Madge is the man to take this group forward and I have very real doubts he will want to work with Sheens

That must be why Bellamy is a crap coach

 

[The_Patriot]

Watch the dressingroom before/halftime/after the game, he’s lost them. Just yelling and swearing at them over and over again gets old quick!
I know there is not much on offer but I would take the drug cheat any day over this hoax. Our season is done and he still picks Chee Kim who won’t be here next year, instead of giving Ogden or Cini a go at centre, he’s got no idea.
We are just wasting more years with him there. My problem with Flanagan is how would he work with sheens? They don’t seem like they would mix.

Disappointing to see so many downvotes on this post.

Did everyone hear Blocker and Elias on 360 last night? A must watch.

Cliffs:

- Benny said he'd talk to his team mates and tell them weakness he saw on field, leadership role... did a lot of the chatting in the sheds

- Blocker said he wouldn't even listen to the coach in the sheds, he'd be doing his own thing and listen to his team mates.

- Blocker said none of the good coaches he had ever had to swear, yell and carry on like that. Message was simple.

- Blocker mentioned again, which he has stated a few times before that he believes a coach only has 1 or 2 real blow ups a year in them.
.
- Both said which Pk agreed with NO LEADERS in this group. Supposed to be a player rallying in the troops in the sheds, on the field.... without the exception of AD, there is NO ONE. Mentioned Tamou talks it up in the media then plays 5 minutes a half. Its a clear weakness we lack.

Adam Reynolds would've been great.
Nicho Hynes.

Something we have really lacked since Farah left.

Matty and Fletch also had some good points to add on the topic.

Only defence of Madge that makes any sense is that he is over compensating because the senior playing roster has a lack of natural leaders. This results in having to take on a bigger role on game day than he should have to. Has to talk and yell more.

All well and good but the recruitment has failed to identify this problem. To amke matters worse Maguire brought in players like BJ and Roberts when they were the exact opposite of what was needed.

You reap what you sow!

Lets find a coach who can clearly identify short coming in the roster and recruit players who will address the culture issues.

 

[Dyloh]

Didn’t players try to voice their opinion about the game plan last year only be to told that they havnt made the finals so they should shut up and do as they’re told? Now they are doing that, they’re weak men with no leadership?

 

[jadtiger]

I'd go for Shane Flanagan. Players seem to like him. What we have ain't working.

No thank you

I agree....big no for flanagan

1. Sack Maguire

For who?

Separate issues. Maguire's sacking is not dependent upon a replacement.

As is often said, "better the devil you know".

To sack Maguire without a continuity plan, without some confidence of a replacement - that's mismanagement. One of your least sensible suggestions.

Multi national companies and Federal/State Department change CEOs and Directors routinely. Changing a football coach cannot be too difficult

And you conveniently forget we have Sheens and Hartigan to provide continuity.

You show me a big company that changes the CEO, except for unlawful activity, without having the replacement already lined up. Business suicide and your stocks will tank.

Removing a football coach isn't difficult - just tell him not to come back. Replacing a football coach is very difficult.

I didn't conveniently forget anything. You want a 70 year old ex-coach who hasn't been in the country for several years to caretake for an unspecified time until we replace the head coach? And a football general manager to help him.

I'm sorry it's a dumb suggestion to remove a coach without a proper replacement. By all means, go sign up Ciraldo or someone else (no drug or suspension cheats thanks) and let Madge finish the season, or install a caretaker if Madge quits a la John Morris, but don't just hook him with no proper replacement lined up.

Where did I write I expected Sheens to be coach or a caretaker?

Appointing a younger coach like Morris with Sheens to provide guidance is a reasonable outcome. It cannot be any worse than the banquet of bullshit that is being produced currently.

I did also mention appointing a caretaker coach whilst a robust recruitment process identifies a replacement. That can occur this year whilst a caretaker coach restores confidence in the playing group.

Mate how can Tim Sheens provide continuity for Madge being sacked? The bloke isn't even in the country. This season has 5 rounds to go, there's no point doing anything with season 2021, the new bloke wouldn't even get his feet wet.

If you were going to do it, you'd advise Madge that he's not being retained, let him see out the year, get the new guy now and have the new guy prep for the off-season. That's the smart way to do the transition.

And I'll say again - "not being worse" than the current predicament is a very bad benchmark to be setting. I want the new coach to be very strong odds of putting in a much better performance than 2019-2021, not another limp into 9th or 10th place. Madge has proven he can get us to 9th.

You didn't answer my question. Where did I write that I expected Sheens to be coach or caretaker?

Sheens has started work now according to the post on this forum yesterday. Seems like continuity has commenced. Imagine that!

Bring in the caretaker, or bring in a permanent replacement after the process. John Morris has always been my choice. Get rid of Maguire.

Not going to happen imo and if it did we would be worse next year

 

[cochise]

The players aren’t talking before games because they are over the Madge crap. Seriously how many times does he say eyes up?? They don’t even want to look at him. I have it on good authority that the player the old alcho was referring to as disgruntled with the club is Luciano, he like most of the new gen players are way not into the yelling crap. They’re looking for a caress not a slap!
I get there’s not much options but Madge is just going to get us in a worse situation.
Why do u think they went after sheens, the club knows he is struggling big time and they’re praying that the sheens can save them.

It wasn't Luch

 

[cktiger]

Didn’t players try to voice their opinion about the game plan last year only be to told that they havnt made the finals so they should shut up and do as they’re told? Now they are doing that, they’re weak men with no leadership?

Doubt very much they're doing what they're told now.

 

[cochise]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

Tell me then, you forgive Melbourne Storm for rorting the cap during those premiership seasons? Tim Simona is forgiven too?

Personally I think it's one thing to have off-field indiscretions that you can legitimately do your time for. Rusty Packer went to jail, so did Manu Ma'u... that's how society deals with and attempts to reform criminal acts.

But in-game cheats, for me, that's something entirely different. Drug cheats too. How can you take anyone seriously for the rest of their career if they are a proven drug cheat? How can you assure yourself they won't do that again, won't cheat, aren't using performance enhancers ever again? Tainted for life I'm afraid.

Fair point,however I am not Jesus, I don’t need to forgive anyone, I have never said I condone any illegal activity, nor do I need to burden myself with anything I can’t control, all I am saying is it is hypocritical to crucify Flannogan but support someone with a past like Roberts.

No its not hypocritical, Roberts has his own demons he is dealing with, issues he is very open and honest about. His actions largely effect him. Flanagan on the other hand was involved in a systematic program of doping players in his care with substances that the players were unaware of the contents. His actions primarily effected the players he was supposed to guide and assist and trusted him to do the right thing by them. It is a completely different situations.

I'll make this clear, I support Roberts and think that Flanagan is a low life of the highest order. In my opinion he should have faced criminal charges and should be banned from any involvement in the game for life. I wouldn't even allow him to commentate.

 

[twentyforty]

Watch the dressingroom before/halftime/after the game, he’s lost them. Just yelling and swearing at them over and over again gets old quick!
I know there is not much on offer but I would take the drug cheat any day over this hoax. Our season is done and he still picks Chee Kim who won’t be here next year, instead of giving Ogden or Cini a go at centre, he’s got no idea.
We are just wasting more years with him there. My problem with Flanagan is how would he work with sheens? They don’t seem like they would mix.

Disappointing to see so many downvotes on this post.

Did everyone hear Blocker and Elias on 360 last night? A must watch.

Cliffs:

- Benny said he'd talk to his team mates and tell them weakness he saw on field, leadership role... did a lot of the chatting in the sheds

- Blocker said he wouldn't even listen to the coach in the sheds, he'd be doing his own thing and listen to his team mates.

- Blocker said none of the good coaches he had ever had to swear, yell and carry on like that. Message was simple.

- Blocker mentioned again, which he has stated a few times before that he believes a coach only has 1 or 2 real blow ups a year in them.
.
- Both said which Pk agreed with NO LEADERS in this group. Supposed to be a player rallying in the troops in the sheds, on the field.... without the exception of AD, there is NO ONE. Mentioned Tamou talks it up in the media then plays 5 minutes a half. Its a clear weakness we lack.

Adam Reynolds would've been great.
Nicho Hynes.

Something we have really lacked since Farah left.

All very good points from Benny and Blocker, it’s obvious they were barred from the joint for having too much logic lol.
It’s all very hilarious really..we have a club, a team and 50 employees supporting that team, all wanting the same thing, to win bloody football games, while we get further away from that goal by arguing about the route. We complain about lack of leadership in the 17 , but where’s the leadership example in the organisation? I think if we looked hard enough we would find a few leaders in the 17.

 

[jadtiger]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

Tell me then, you forgive Melbourne Storm for rorting the cap during those premiership seasons? Tim Simona is forgiven too?

Personally I think it's one thing to have off-field indiscretions that you can legitimately do your time for. Rusty Packer went to jail, so did Manu Ma'u... that's how society deals with and attempts to reform criminal acts.

But in-game cheats, for me, that's something entirely different. Drug cheats too. How can you take anyone seriously for the rest of their career if they are a proven drug cheat? How can you assure yourself they won't do that again, won't cheat, aren't using performance enhancers ever again? Tainted for life I'm afraid.

Fair point,however I am not Jesus, I don’t need to forgive anyone, I have never said I condone any illegal activity, nor do I need to burden myself with anything I can’t control, all I am saying is it is hypocritical to crucify Flannogan but support someone with a past like Roberts.

No its not hypocritical, Roberts has his own demons he is dealing with, issues he is very open and honest about. His actions largely effect him. Flanagan on the other hand was involved in a systematic program of doping players in his care with substances that the players were unaware of the contents. His actions primarily effected the players he was supposed to guide and assist and trusted him to do the right thing by them. It is a completely different situations.

I'll make this clear, I support Roberts and think that Flanagan is a low life of the highest order. In my opinion he should have faced criminal charges and should be banned from any involvement in the game for life. I wouldn't even allow him to commentate.

Completely agree with this,Flanagan is the coach i would never want involved in any capacity at my club.Even the bag of manure JT would be preferable and he is the worst coach i have seen coaching the Tigers in over 50 years.

 

[cochise]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

Tell me then, you forgive Melbourne Storm for rorting the cap during those premiership seasons? Tim Simona is forgiven too?

Personally I think it's one thing to have off-field indiscretions that you can legitimately do your time for. Rusty Packer went to jail, so did Manu Ma'u... that's how society deals with and attempts to reform criminal acts.

But in-game cheats, for me, that's something entirely different. Drug cheats too. How can you take anyone seriously for the rest of their career if they are a proven drug cheat? How can you assure yourself they won't do that again, won't cheat, aren't using performance enhancers ever again? Tainted for life I'm afraid.

Fair point,however I am not Jesus, I don’t need to forgive anyone, I have never said I condone any illegal activity, nor do I need to burden myself with anything I can’t control, all I am saying is it is hypocritical to crucify Flannogan but support someone with a past like Roberts.

No its not hypocritical, Roberts has his own demons he is dealing with, issues he is very open and honest about. His actions largely effect him. Flanagan on the other hand was involved in a systematic program of doping players in his care with substances that the players were unaware of the contents. His actions primarily effected the players he was supposed to guide and assist and trusted him to do the right thing by them. It is a completely different situations.

I'll make this clear, I support Roberts and think that Flanagan is a low life of the highest order. In my opinion he should have faced criminal charges and should be banned from any involvement in the game for life. I wouldn't even allow him to commentate.


Completely agree with this,Flanagan is the coach i would never want involved in any capacity at my club.Even the bag of manure JT would be preferable and he is the worst coach i have seen coaching the Tigers in over 50 years.

Yeah if Flanagan become coach it would really effect any enjoyment I have of any success the club would achieve.

 

[jag]

Same coach plus same roster next season virtually plus 2 players that have no recent NRL football equals another disappointing season in 22. Our team has no leadership at all and lacks vital game management skills in the positions of hooker and halfback Our five eight has passion but lacks experience is a novice learning the game in that position. We blooded a young fullback who has been the shining light of our team this season but he too is still learning how to play the game.
We are a error riddled club both on and off the field. We don’t play as a team, cannot believe the schoolboy mistakes we make each week esp from our backs.
I see another year of pain with same coach and the same roster. We have a lot of players coming off contract in 22. I see next year as the year when there is going to be a big turnover of players and coach. The best we can do at this stage is to continue to identify and blood young players as senior players of quality won’t come here regardless of how much we offer them.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

Tell me then, you forgive Melbourne Storm for rorting the cap during those premiership seasons? Tim Simona is forgiven too?

Personally I think it's one thing to have off-field indiscretions that you can legitimately do your time for. Rusty Packer went to jail, so did Manu Ma'u... that's how society deals with and attempts to reform criminal acts.

But in-game cheats, for me, that's something entirely different. Drug cheats too. How can you take anyone seriously for the rest of their career if they are a proven drug cheat? How can you assure yourself they won't do that again, won't cheat, aren't using performance enhancers ever again? Tainted for life I'm afraid.

Fair point,however I am not Jesus, I don’t need to forgive anyone, I have never said I condone any illegal activity, nor do I need to burden myself with anything I can’t control, all I am saying is it is hypocritical to crucify Flannogan but support someone with a past like Roberts.

No its not hypocritical, Roberts has his own demons he is dealing with, issues he is very open and honest about. His actions largely effect him. Flanagan on the other hand was involved in a systematic program of doping players in his care with substances that the players were unaware of the contents. His actions primarily effected the players he was supposed to guide and assist and trusted him to do the right thing by them. It is a completely different situations.

I'll make this clear, I support Roberts and think that Flanagan is a low life of the highest order. In my opinion he should have faced criminal charges and should be banned from any involvement in the game for life. I wouldn't even allow him to commentate.


Completely agree with this,Flanagan is the coach i would never want involved in any capacity at my club.Even the bag of manure JT would be preferable and he is the worst coach i have seen coaching the Tigers in over 50 years.

Yeah if Flanagan become coach it would really effect any enjoyment I have of any success the club would achieve.

Although I am often in agreement with you Cochise on many things I just don’t get the holier than thou attitude on this. Flanagan has served his time, the NRL has said that he has served his time and is allowed to coach again in the NRL .. They are the arbiters of what is good for the game and it’s reputation and the conduct of its “employees”.. The broadcasters respect him enough to put him out front of the cameras and facing the community as a representative of the sport . The NRL are quick to act against anyone that they think may bring the sport into disrepute and they did their investigation and decided what Flanagans punishment should be after looking at all the facts.. Flanagan is highly regarded for his knowledge and understanding of Rugby League and took a struggling club from the doldrums to a Grand Final and the Premiership.. us Wests Tigers fans have had years and years of disappointment and struggle and a guy that could maybe help turn it all around for us and simultaneously achieve some sort of redemption for himself by doing it all the right way with a fresh start is just too horrible to consider? This is Australia, our modern history started as a penal colony, surely in this country you can redeem yourself by applying yourself in the career you have a talent in? Flanagan is a football coach, a good one, he served his time and I’d love to see him given another chance. That’s what life is about, learning from your mistakes and getting back on the horse and doing it better.. that’s what Flanagan wants to do and I’d like to see him to do it at Wests Tigers, id hate to see a guy like him be expected to slink away in shame and be lost to the game forever. It takes a bit of courage to face up to it all and want another go in my opinion…

 

[twentyforty]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

Tell me then, you forgive Melbourne Storm for rorting the cap during those premiership seasons? Tim Simona is forgiven too?

Personally I think it's one thing to have off-field indiscretions that you can legitimately do your time for. Rusty Packer went to jail, so did Manu Ma'u... that's how society deals with and attempts to reform criminal acts.

But in-game cheats, for me, that's something entirely different. Drug cheats too. How can you take anyone seriously for the rest of their career if they are a proven drug cheat? How can you assure yourself they won't do that again, won't cheat, aren't using performance enhancers ever again? Tainted for life I'm afraid.

Fair point,however I am not Jesus, I don’t need to forgive anyone, I have never said I condone any illegal activity, nor do I need to burden myself with anything I can’t control, all I am saying is it is hypocritical to crucify Flannogan but support someone with a past like Roberts.

No its not hypocritical, Roberts has his own demons he is dealing with, issues he is very open and honest about. His actions largely effect him. Flanagan on the other hand was involved in a systematic program of doping players in his care with substances that the players were unaware of the contents. His actions primarily effected the players he was supposed to guide and assist and trusted him to do the right thing by them. It is a completely different situations.

I'll make this clear, I support Roberts and think that Flanagan is a low life of the highest order. In my opinion he should have faced criminal charges and should be banned from any involvement in the game for life. I wouldn't even allow him to commentate.


Completely agree with this,Flanagan is the coach i would never want involved in any capacity at my club.Even the bag of manure JT would be preferable and he is the worst coach i have seen coaching the Tigers in over 50 years.

Flano applied for the CC job and lost out to snoops, so why would the club hire him for the top job?

 

[Pascoes_barber]

I think if we looked hard enough we would find a few leaders in the 17.

That's counter-intuitive though isn't it?

If there are leaders in the squad they would've demonstrated it by now without having to go searching for them.

Have only really seen hints of it from AD and Luciano.

I remain completely baffled by the appointment of Tamou as captain, regardless of the minutes he plays (all 27 of them).

 

[TrueTiger]

If only people would stop and think that this is the NRL an arena for the elite rugby league players we have to offer competing for huge money and personal gain...
coaches have to play their contracted players and use them the best they can to achieve success....
we have a very young immature roster,no junior comps to get a guideline on standout talent,we know some are very talented but they arent developing because of lack of game time...
I think if Madge can spend a lot more time with the young guys he has planned to become NRL stars then the better results will come...
some coaches can coach poorly....some players on big money play poorly and talented kids in lower grades play well,but step up to NRL and play poorly because of lack of experience and spend time learning the trade...
we have a mixed bag,the only way to sort out our future is to stay on the path we are on,things will get better,we are going through our tough patch and covid hasnt helped thats why its taking longer than a normal NRL season.....hang in there,keep the faith and even though its hard at times,stay positive and back the club you love and follow through good times and bad...

 

[cochise]

Yesterday the Tigers looked lost in attack and shakey in defense but what’s new?

Madge is done.

Right now I would take Flanagan as coach only because when he coached Cronulla he had them defend very well. I don’t care about peptides, that’s history. I want a coach that can get the team to defend.

Some will say that he had a team of old heads, players that had loads of experience. Well he put them there over a number of years, he built that team. No-one can argue that they weren’t a good defensive unit.

I want a coach who can get a team to defend well. That’s all, is that too hard?

From your keyboard , but every word could have been from my own… Flanagan coaches strong, committed football teams that can get down and dirty and win however it needs to be done… players perform for him, he knows how to build a “team” out of players that compliment each other and his teams play what’s in front of them..the Cronulla grand final team took down Melbourne in their prime, even set a record for consecutive wins and they were good to watch. Tough and entertaining, but most importantly they used to fight to win, they were competitors, and in my estimation they were representative of the coaches own personality… Flanagan is smart and his a hard head, we need that at this club, he bought an identity to that Cronulla club and we need that desperately at the West’s tigers… he would be perfect, the right man at the exact right time….. cmon Justin “guns” Pascoe, bring Shane to Tiger Town!

He hasn't achieved anything without cheating.

You may see it that way. Many other people do not….

Im with cochise.....we have morals...

Yet look at the players Madge has brought to the club or tried to attract, hardly clean skins how does that sit with your morals?

Pretty good because none of them tried to inject illegal substances into players to gain an unfair advantage...

I suppose your morals a far different to mine...Im old school ....better your self fairly and treat competition they way you want to be treated yourself...

sorry if this doesnt suit your moral compass....

I don’t support anyone using illegal substances but he served his punishment which is no different to the players here that have also paid their dues so it is fair game.

Tell me then, you forgive Melbourne Storm for rorting the cap during those premiership seasons? Tim Simona is forgiven too?

Personally I think it's one thing to have off-field indiscretions that you can legitimately do your time for. Rusty Packer went to jail, so did Manu Ma'u... that's how society deals with and attempts to reform criminal acts.

But in-game cheats, for me, that's something entirely different. Drug cheats too. How can you take anyone seriously for the rest of their career if they are a proven drug cheat? How can you assure yourself they won't do that again, won't cheat, aren't using performance enhancers ever again? Tainted for life I'm afraid.

Fair point,however I am not Jesus, I don’t need to forgive anyone, I have never said I condone any illegal activity, nor do I need to burden myself with anything I can’t control, all I am saying is it is hypocritical to crucify Flannogan but support someone with a past like Roberts.

No its not hypocritical, Roberts has his own demons he is dealing with, issues he is very open and honest about. His actions largely effect him. Flanagan on the other hand was involved in a systematic program of doping players in his care with substances that the players were unaware of the contents. His actions primarily effected the players he was supposed to guide and assist and trusted him to do the right thing by them. It is a completely different situations.

I'll make this clear, I support Roberts and think that Flanagan is a low life of the highest order. In my opinion he should have faced criminal charges and should be banned from any involvement in the game for life. I wouldn't even allow him to commentate.


Completely agree with this,Flanagan is the coach i would never want involved in any capacity at my club.Even the bag of manure JT would be preferable and he is the worst coach i have seen coaching the Tigers in over 50 years.

Yeah if Flanagan become coach it would really effect any enjoyment I have of any success the club would achieve.

Although I am often in agreement with you Cochise on many things I just don’t get the holier than thou attitude on this. Flanagan has served his time, the NRL has said that he has served his time and is allowed to coach again in the NRL .. They are the arbiters of what is good for the game and it’s reputation and the conduct of its “employees”.. The broadcasters respect him enough to put him out front of the cameras and facing the community as a representative of the sport . The NRL are quick to act against anyone that they think may being the sport into disrepute and they did their investigation and decided what Flanagans punishment should be after looking at all the facts.. Flanagan is highly regarded as for his knowledge and understanding of Rugby League and took a struggling club from the doldrums to a Grand Final and the Premiership.. us West’s Tigers fans have had years and years of disappointment and struggle and a guy that could maybe help turn it all around for us and simultaneously achieve some sort of redemption for himself by doing it all the right way with a fresh start is just too horrible to consider? This is Australia, our modern history started as a penal colony, sure;y in this country you can redeem yourself by applying yourself in the career you have a talent in? Flanagan is a football coach, a good one, he served his time and I’d love to see him given another chance. That’s what life is about, learning from your mistakes and getting back on the horse and doing it better.. that’s what Flanagan wants to do and I’d like to see him to do it at Wests Tigers, if hate to see a guy like him be expected to slink away in shame and be lost to the game forever. It takes a bit of courage to face up to it all and want another go in my opinion…

It is not a holier than thou attitude, believe me I am in no position to judge people in that manner. To me it is a player welfare issue, football clubs have young people around them, young people that the coach is responsible for the welfare and health of. Flanagan has shown he can not and should not be trusted in that role. It is not like he was just cheating the cap, though he did that as well, he was risking the health and lives of the young people whose care he was trusted to look after.

To me it is just unacceptable to risk the health of the players we have at our club for success.

 

[twentyforty]

I think if we looked hard enough we would find a few leaders in the 17.

That's counter-intuitive though isn't it?

If there are leaders in the squad they would've demonstrated it by now without having to go searching for them.

Have only really seen hints of it from AD and Luciano.

I remain completely baffled by the appointment of Tamou as captain, regardless of the minutes he plays (all 27 of them).

It’s more counter intuitive to create the expectation in the minds of the players that there are no leaders.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think if we looked hard enough we would find a few leaders in the 17.

That's counter-intuitive though isn't it?

If there are leaders in the squad they would've demonstrated it by now without having to go searching for them.

Have only really seen hints of it from AD and Luciano.

I remain completely baffled by the appointment of Tamou as captain, regardless of the minutes he plays (all 27 of them).

It’s more counter intuitive to create the expectation in the minds of the players that there are no leaders.

At this stage with the exception of AD there is no-one who exhibits leadership in the team. Tamou has been an absolute bust of a signing.

 

[earl]

Tamou has been an absolute bust of a signing.

I don't think he has been that bad. He wasn't signed as a marquee player. The problem is that we made him captain. If he was just a role player he'd be fine. Is Twal much better than Tamou ? I reckon Twal is better but it's pretty close.

 

[twentyforty]

What I really find depressing about this push for Flano as coach with WT is the way in which WT is perceived as an option of last resort. Why is there no push to see him at another club?