Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[pawsandclaws1]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

 

[TigerWest]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

 

[Telltails]

Cleary is like a cardboard cut out and is about as exciting as one. He achieved nothing at this club and left it in a mess and walked into a system completely set up for him with a talent pool unmatched to any in the competition.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Cleary is like a cardboard cut out and is about as exciting as one. He achieved nothing at this club and left it in a mess and walked into a system completely set up for him with a talent pool unmatched to any in the competition.

Cleary has the charisma to keep his players and audience engaged. His results at Penrith confirm that fact. Maguire's approach, described as fire and brimstone, would wear thin quickly, This would be amplified if his audience have doubts about his message.

 

[TYGA]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

It was pre-game on Channel 9 and it is hard not to come to the conclusion the camera was in the shed because the tv staff had picked up on the disengagement of players.

 

[rihannafan1]

Cleary has a system and his players at Warriors, Penrith and Tigers have been able to follow it.

 

[avocadoontoast]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

 

[Papacito]

I was always in two minds about Madge as our coach.

On one hand he had a great cv and results over several years. But on the other hand, he got the boot at Souths after some player discontent.

After watching the recent documentary, he's 100% the right guy for our club.

Great motivator, really strong vision, very supportive of the guys and I've seen more than a few little things that suggests he's very good at 'mind games' (I mean that in a positive way).

Compared to what I have saw behind the scenes from ivan Cleary, Madge is miles ahead.

So why can't we make the top 8?

I think it's simple, we don't have a roster that's mentally strong enough to play at top 8 quality footy for consistent enough periods. No other coach will change that.

It's important that we stick with Madge for a few more seasons, it does look like he's building a winning culture.

Winning culture?? Our results don't reflect this. The dressing room atmosphere suggests anything but a winning culture. A coach screaming at players who aren't listening is not indicative of a coach building a winning culture.

Culture goes beyond the results you see on the field this week or even this season.

Culture means any new bloke coming into the club or coming through the junior ranks knows what's expected and everyone else around them does too.

Where you see a bloke screaming his head off, all I see a passionate coach who's calling guys out for not upholding the club's values. Which is 100% what we need.

 

[Needaname]

Cleary is like a cardboard cut out and is about as exciting as one. He achieved nothing at this club and left it in a mess and walked into a system completely set up for him with a talent pool unmatched to any in the competition.

Cleary has the charisma to keep his players and audience engaged. His results at Penrith confirm that fact. Maguire's approach, described as fire and brimstone, would wear thin quickly, This would be amplified if his audience have doubts about his message.

Your right about one thing, Cleary has charisma. With it he was able to fool his best mate, his chairwoman, the board, his fans and his entire squad.

 

[the_third]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

this was discussed pretty well on 360 last night Sampson/Read/Blocker and scum Elias. The best coaches use break out groups why blocker didn't listen at half time and why the Wests Tigers/Maguire cant do that.

Pretty reasonable discussion, give it a look

 

[innsaneink]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

But he wasn't yelling after the sainst win... When things were going well.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

But he wasn't yelling after the sainst win... When things were going well.

Or saying how Saints are at the bottom of the ladder like us.

 

[rihannafan1]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.


this was discussed pretty well on 360 last night Sampson/Read/Blocker and scum Elias. The best coaches use break out groups why blocker didn't listen at half time and why the Wests Tigers/Maguire cant do that.

Pretty reasonable discussion, give it a look

Shame on these talking heads trying to tell an experienced pro how to do his job, based on 2 hours of dramatic TV footage.

 

[twentyforty]

Benny and Block are allowed to have a view, as do others who may agree or disagree with that view. But remember these guys aren’t allowed near the players so they are seeing the same thing we saw. 😂 which is a controlled moment in the life of Madge basically.
If they’re not creating controversy and getting quoted in social media the next day, then they won’t keep their jobs. I like those guys, wish we had them playing today.

 

[Sco77y]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I don't think that's correct at all. In the first episode you can see Madge addressing each player individually, approaching them one by one and having more measured discussion. The show for the most part however would mostly focus on the sprays and rev-ups as the entertainment value is higher. As others have said it's a very small sample of the discussions that would be had within the team, and the show would be picking the most impactful ones.

And as for Bellamy and Hasler, they have nothing to blow up at the players about (although Des has been known in the past to rip doors off hinges). I'm sure they'd give as big a yell at their players as Madge does (if not worse). Nonetheless I doubt anyone here is watching a good portion of the discussions unfolding in these teams' sheds each game, so we wouldn't actually know.

On a side note Bellamy is nicknamed Bellyache for a reason, and often an interview with a Storm player leads into them mentioning a spray or hinting at some sort of disapproval they've received from their coach, win or lose. Although it's always said in jest - because they're always winning.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.


this was discussed pretty well on 360 last night Sampson/Read/Blocker and scum Elias. The best coaches use break out groups why blocker didn't listen at half time and why the Wests Tigers/Maguire cant do that.

Pretty reasonable discussion, give it a look

Shame on these talking heads trying to tell an experienced pro how to do his job, based on 2 hours of dramatic TV footage.

Edited footage at that

 

[avocadoontoast]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I don't think that's correct at all. In the first episode you can see Madge addressing each player individually, approaching them one by one and having more measured discussion. The show for the most part however would mostly focus on the sprays and rev-ups as the entertainment value is higher. As others have said it's a very small sample of the discussions that would be had within the team, and the show would be picking the most impactful ones.

And as for Bellamy and Hasler, they have nothing to blow up at the players about (although Des has been known in the past to rip doors off hinges). I'm sure they'd give as big a yell at their players as Madge does (if not worse). Nonetheless I doubt anyone here is watching a good portion of the discussions unfolding in these teams' sheds each game, so we wouldn't actually know.

On a side note Bellamy is nicknamed Bellyache for a reason, and often an interview with a Storm player leads into them mentioning a spray or hinting at some sort of disapproval they've received from their coach, win or lose. Although it's always said in jest - because they're always winning.

I watch most of the games, or at least I did in the first half of the season. More often than not they show the sheds pre game and at half time. Even at the beginning of the season when Manly were getting flogged I can't recall Hasler losing it. As I said, he and Bellamy DO lose it in the sheds occasionally, but it's the exception, not the rule. Every time they show Madge in the sheds he's fired up - never calm.

Bellamy is a great man manager, it's why he's so popular with all his players - you can see the respect they all have for him when they're together. When he's talking to them, they listen. With Madge it looks like they're clocking out.

 

[jirskyr]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

You'll have to remind me of the year Cleary's approach got Wests Tigers to the finals.