Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jirskyr]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

 

[avocadoontoast]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

You'll have to remind me of the year Cleary's approach got Wests Tigers to the finals.

Would you mind pointing us to the year Madge's approach has got West Tigers to the finals?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

You'll have to remind me of the year Cleary's approach got Wests Tigers to the finals.

Would you mind pointing us to the year Madge's approach has got West Tigers to the finals?

Remember the slogan, Madge has a plan. What a load of crap. I can't remember WTs being in such despair onfield even with JT.

 

[avocadoontoast]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

Maybe if you read what I posted rather than posting your usual verbal diarrhoea when anyone remotely says anything negative about the club you'd have your answer?

 

[jirskyr]

I was always in two minds about Madge as our coach.

On one hand he had a great cv and results over several years. But on the other hand, he got the boot at Souths after some player discontent.

After watching the recent documentary, he's 100% the right guy for our club.

Great motivator, really strong vision, very supportive of the guys and I've seen more than a few little things that suggests he's very good at 'mind games' (I mean that in a positive way).

Compared to what I have saw behind the scenes from ivan Cleary, Madge is miles ahead.

So why can't we make the top 8?

I think it's simple, we don't have a roster that's mentally strong enough to play at top 8 quality footy for consistent enough periods. No other coach will change that.

It's important that we stick with Madge for a few more seasons, it does look like he's building a winning culture.

Winning culture?? Our results don't reflect this. The dressing room atmosphere suggests anything but a winning culture. A coach screaming at players who aren't listening is not indicative of a coach building a winning culture.

Culture goes beyond the results you see on the field this week or even this season.

Culture means any new bloke coming into the club or coming through the junior ranks knows what's expected and everyone else around them does too.

Where you see a bloke screaming his head off, all I see a passionate coach who's calling guys out for not upholding the club's values. Which is 100% what we need.

I agree, I think there's a demonstrable difference between a "spray" (negative) and an empassioned rev-up (positive). For example one of the pre-game talks the documentary filmed:

>This f------ jersey makes you rise… be the f------ team that puts on f------ tries, scores f------ tries, f--- there’s nothing better than scoring another one. All those little things you get to do together, it’s f------ good fun. Well go out and f------ do it boys, hey. Go out and rip into this
f------ team.

I found it interesting, he's appealing to the group to respect the jersey (culture), to enjoy tries, to recognise that joy, recognise the good moments about playing a team sport.

I also think it can be reasonably argued: if we do subscribe to the idea that Cleary and Michael Potter (and perhaps JT) were more mild-mannered coaches, that we've already had an extended run of "gentle" coaches and we see that doesn't produce results over a significant period.

We also don't know whether or not Madge has adjusted his style based on the playing group he has in 2021. He may have had a far less emotional approach in 2019 and decided that wasn't working well enough. Everyone would be aware, some folks are difficult to motivate and you may need to try a wide variety of approaches to get the result, and factually Madge has been struggling to get results over 3 seasons.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

I'd put it to you that Maguire has a serious communication issue with the playing group. Clearly, they are disengaged when he is speaking.

 

[jirskyr]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

You'll have to remind me of the year Cleary's approach got Wests Tigers to the finals.

Would you mind pointing us to the year Madge's approach has got West Tigers to the finals?

That's not the point. I'm not making an argument that Madge is getting results, because he is not. I am making the argument that Cleary didn't get the results at Tigers and I don't agree that Cleary has some magical capacity of keeping his audience engaged.

Let us not forget that Cleary has already been dumped once by his current club.

 

[avocadoontoast]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

You'll have to remind me of the year Cleary's approach got Wests Tigers to the finals.

Would you mind pointing us to the year Madge's approach has got West Tigers to the finals?

That's not the point. I'm not making an argument that Madge is getting results, because he is not. I am making the argument that Cleary didn't get the results at Tigers and I don't agree that Cleary has some magical capacity of keeping his audience engaged.

Let us not forget that Cleary has already been dumped once by his current club.

Cool so if Cleary was a failure by that measure Madge is too? Glad we agree on that.

 

[TrueTiger]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I don't think that's correct at all. In the first episode you can see Madge addressing each player individually, approaching them one by one and having more measured discussion. The show for the most part however would mostly focus on the sprays and rev-ups as the entertainment value is higher. As others have said it's a very small sample of the discussions that would be had within the team, and the show would be picking the most impactful ones.

And as for Bellamy and Hasler, they have nothing to blow up at the players about (although Des has been known in the past to rip doors off hinges). I'm sure they'd give as big a yell at their players as Madge does (if not worse). Nonetheless I doubt anyone here is watching a good portion of the discussions unfolding in these teams' sheds each game, so we wouldn't actually know.

On a side note Bellamy is nicknamed Bellyache for a reason, and often an interview with a Storm player leads into them mentioning a spray or hinting at some sort of disapproval they've received from their coach, win or lose. Although it's always said in jest - because they're always winning.

I watch most of the games, or at least I did in the first half of the season. More often than not they show the sheds pre game and at half time. Even at the beginning of the season when Manly were getting flogged I can't recall Hasler losing it. As I said, he and Bellamy DO lose it in the sheds occasionally, but it's the exception, not the rule. Every time they show Madge in the sheds he's fired up - never calm.

Bellamy is a great man manager, it's why he's so popular with all his players - you can see the respect they all have for him when they're together. When he's talking to them, they listen. With Madge it looks like they're clocking out.

Avo,I understand your frustration with Madge as do others,however,if you want to compare Bellamy and his approach and Madge with his approach to adressing players,can you at least make it a little bit of a fairer comparison...
Bellamy has been at the Storm for 20 years,he has a very solid system in place that took a lot of work,cap fines,loss of points and lessons learned over that period with probably 3 of the great players for years to build a fine team around...namely Smith,Slater and Cronk...
Madge worked with Bellamy and knows what it takes as well as probably learned what went wrong at the Storm re cap fines and loss of points..
Madge hasnt had the luxury of an established solid system,that is what he is trying to establish,cap was a mess when he came here,boys club and a rotten culture that has festered for years...
He is developing juniors,trying to get the whole team,many still young and immature to play NRL standard footy..
this takes time and some pain,but I think eventually we will be in a better position than the last 10 years...If he gets booted,so beit but he does need the time of his tenure to at least show the improvement he wants for this club...
His own admission was that he knew it would be a tough gig....he may need to be tough to get it through the players whats needed.....cheers Avo...

 

[jirskyr]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

I'd put it to you that Maguire has a serious communication issue with the playing group. Clearly, they are disengaged when he is speaking.

No I don't think you can say that unequivocally. It may be a group that is not listening, or it may in fact be a group that is listening intently. A group with their heads down are often taking stock of the message rather than ignoring you; it's not a 1-1, you don't necessarily expect eye contact. For example, a relaxation session with a group often involves eyes being closed and focusing on the thoughts, feelings and hearing.

In fact I'd argue that anyone sitting quietly, facing you, not speaking or not turning their back, without headphones or mobile phones, are displaying strong body language towards listening and attempting to understand. But I'm not really a fan of body language analysis, so I try to not engage in those discussions.

Also to capture someone in the middle of a key negative (or a key positive) moment is not necessarily indicative of their general behaviour. For example Robbie Farah has claimed he used to be very difficult to deal with in the days after a loss, even though that would not be his demeanour 24/7. Almost all of the footage we've seen so far is minutes just before or just after a match, when the team are at their emotional zenith or nadir.

A lot of people seem to ignore one piece of key footage towards the end of episode 2, where Madge is doing a review with the players at Leichhardt and they are all sitting back casually, relaxed, and Madge is speaking in a very relaxed manner. And again, all the players are eyes-up, listening, not speaking (in that moment) over the top of the coach. But also, it's a 2-minute snip and we have no idea what happened before or after, from the players.

The only thing we can say for sure is Madge definitely has a message, and the Tigers team 2021 aren't capable of producing the requested results for any consistent basis. That may be the coach's fault, it may be the roster's fault - in reality it's probably a mix of the two. Probably if you modified the roster a bit then Madge might get better results. Alternatively, if you parachuted in another random coach into this exact-same side, there's every chance they get similar non-results.

 

[jirskyr]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

You'll have to remind me of the year Cleary's approach got Wests Tigers to the finals.

Would you mind pointing us to the year Madge's approach has got West Tigers to the finals?

That's not the point. I'm not making an argument that Madge is getting results, because he is not. I am making the argument that Cleary didn't get the results at Tigers and I don't agree that Cleary has some magical capacity of keeping his audience engaged.

Let us not forget that Cleary has already been dumped once by his current club.

Cool so if Cleary was a failure by that measure Madge is too? Glad we agree on that.

Yes so far, Madge has failed at Tigers. 2019 was pass-mark.

Just to be clear, I have no specific issue if Madge, the person, is sacked from Tigers right now. My issue is with the position of head coach - that I believe you need to give the coach more than 2-3 years to turn a historically failing side around. I think it would be repeating mistakes of the past if we sacked Madge now. It is fact that the only other coach we kept for more than 3 seasons got Tigers to the finals.

 

[jirskyr]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

Maybe if you read what I posted rather than posting your usual verbal diarrhoea when anyone remotely says anything negative about the club you'd have your answer?

I read your post and if you need to descend into outbursts directed at the poster, it says a lot.

I'll quote you however just to be clear what I'm referring to:
Don’t get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it’s just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal.

However can you claim to know this?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal.

You are basing this on? The documentary and the pre-game footage? I believe that is wholly insufficient to make a judgement on what "tools" Madge has available.

 

[TigerWest]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

I'd put it to you that Maguire has a serious communication issue with the playing group. Clearly, they are disengaged when he is speaking.

I don't think I've heard any player say anything like that about Madge?

 

[Needaname]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Cleary's blokes are engaged, while our blokes are wondering if they will still get paid on time and don't seem to have any interest in the game, no wonder he gets up them?
Madge come from the Bellamy school and he is supposedly very similar to him, even though his team is the most successful club of recent times, he is seen to rant and rave?

Cleary was on the news last night being interviewed. It was noticeable he had his audience, the press, engaged. Although I didn't enjoy how he departed WTs, it is difficult not to realise Cleary can keep his audience engaged.

You'll have to remind me of the year Cleary's approach got Wests Tigers to the finals.

Would you mind pointing us to the year Madge's approach has got West Tigers to the finals?

Remember the slogan, Madge has a plan. What a load of crap. I can't remember WTs being in such despair onfield even with JT.

I’m pretty sure the slogan is be the player that everybody wants to play with.
A ethos created by the players themselves.
….

 

[avocadoontoast]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

Maybe if you read what I posted rather than posting your usual verbal diarrhoea when anyone remotely says anything negative about the club you'd have your answer?

I read your post and if you need to descend into outbursts directed at the poster, it says a lot.

I'll quote you however just to be clear what I'm referring to:
Don’t get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it’s just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal.

However can you claim to know this?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal.

You are basing this on? The documentary and the pre-game footage? I believe that is wholly insufficient to make a judgement on what "tools" Madge has available.

What other tools does Madge have in his arsenal?

 

[Krammy]

I was always in two minds about Madge as our coach.

On one hand he had a great cv and results over several years. But on the other hand, he got the boot at Souths after some player discontent.

After watching the recent documentary, he's 100% the right guy for our club.

Great motivator, really strong vision, very supportive of the guys and I've seen more than a few little things that suggests he's very good at 'mind games' (I mean that in a positive way).

Compared to what I have saw behind the scenes from ivan Cleary, Madge is miles ahead.

So why can't we make the top 8?

I think it's simple, we don't have a roster that's mentally strong enough to play at top 8 quality footy for consistent enough periods. No other coach will change that.

It's important that we stick with Madge for a few more seasons, it does look like he's building a winning culture.

Winning culture?? Our results don't reflect this. The dressing room atmosphere suggests anything but a winning culture. A coach screaming at players who aren't listening is not indicative of a coach building a winning culture.

Culture goes beyond the results you see on the field this week or even this season.

Culture means any new bloke coming into the club or coming through the junior ranks knows what's expected and everyone else around them does too.

Where you see a bloke screaming his head off, all I see a passionate coach who's calling guys out for not upholding the club's values. Which is 100% what we need.

We will agree to differ on that.

 

[Harvey]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

They showed a video session after the dragons win. He looked wooden again, plenty of swearing but no connection with the players.

Very difficult to mend bridges that have been burned. The player have tuned out of his speeches, he is not going to turn things around.

 

[jirskyr]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

Maybe if you read what I posted rather than posting your usual verbal diarrhoea when anyone remotely says anything negative about the club you'd have your answer?

I read your post and if you need to descend into outbursts directed at the poster, it says a lot.

I'll quote you however just to be clear what I'm referring to:
Don’t get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it’s just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal.

However can you claim to know this?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal.

You are basing this on? The documentary and the pre-game footage? I believe that is wholly insufficient to make a judgement on what "tools" Madge has available.

What other tools does Madge have in his arsenal?

I wouldn't claim to know, I don't work at Wests Tigers.

I don't make any claims at all about what skills Madge does and does not have, what his strengths and weaknesses are. I've never met the bloke, never performance-appraised him, never seen him behind-the-scenes. Tigers employ people whose job is to performance-review the coach, and I am not privy to the outcomes of those assessments.

 

[Tiger5150]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

I'd put it to you that Maguire has a serious communication issue with the playing group. Clearly, they are disengaged when he is speaking.

I don't think I've heard any player say anything like that about Madge?

Not in *words*, but never underestimate the body language translators we are blessed with in the forums.

 

[CarltonDry]

What sticks out clearly is a lack of our club looking at character of players in recruitment. This is the most subdued team for a coach that is fire and brimstone.

The club needs to bring in some hard heads that don’t take a backward step. Our lack of line speed and aggression makes sense to me now. These players look like gold blokes we need some real aggressive players that want to hurt people.

Perhaps there is a smarter way than fire and brimstone.

Perhaps however do you think the coach would blast them if they were playing at full intensity. The Tommy match was a disgrace.

I recall Maguire standing pre-game in the dressing room gesticulating and obviously in an aggressive mood with a team of disengaged players. It is difficult not to compare this to the laid back approach of Cleary where he is sitting speaking with his players, not talking down to them. Cleary's players respond and are engaged in what he has to say. I know which approach I prefer.

Bellamy, Hasler, Stuart are cut from the same cloth. The TV show is not going to spend time on Madge talking strategy to players it will highlight the made for tv moments. It’s not unusual in fact they are worse.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Don't get me wrong, Bellamy, Hasler and Stuart all have massive sprays in them, but it's just one tool they use in a pretty big arsenal. Most of the time they're blowing up in the coaches box, not directly at the players. The sprays at the team are few and far between, maybe once or twice a season?

Madge on the other hand only appears to have that tool in his arsenal. If things are going well, yell, if they're going bad, yell louder, if they keep getting worse, scream. If you're an adult why would you want to listen to that week in and week out? Talk about exhausting.

I'm sorry, how can you claim to know what tools Bellamy and Hasler and Stuart use to motivate their players? From what, the pre-game tidbits of footage? You can't even go close to claiming you know what those coaches are really doing to prepare those sides.

I would put it to you that we also don't typically get footage of Madge's sprays - I'm only aware of a handful ever being filmed outside of the documentary.

Des Hasler ripped a door off its hinges once. Bellyache has been filmed smashing drink bottles and hammering on glass. And you reckon the person who does that, that type of person, only has one or two sprays a season?

I'd put it to you that Maguire has a serious communication issue with the playing group. Clearly, they are disengaged when he is speaking.

I don't think I've heard any player say anything like that about Madge?

Name one player that will bag their coach ?‍♂️