Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[izotope]

if this squad puts some pride in the jersey and competes for 80 minutes we will be a vastly improved football team, it doesn't matter who the coach is. if the players say they want to play for Madge it's about time they showed it, because if they dish up what they did this year he will be gone.

defence is all about attitude. yes our assistant coaches are dinosaurs, but we showed very little intent this year. attack is a little bit different, but there are plenty of games you can pick out where we looked lifeless and bereft of ideas as well.

Where's it going to come from though?
I can't even remember an impressive performance since that souths game.

Sure we beat some minnows but we never put in a complete performance

Went backwards on performance all year for mine

 

[PJ_]

Why would Ciraldo knock us back not many opportunities to coach 1st grade. he wouldn't even need to move his family . Every other club looking for a coach would be down the bottom of the ladder like us. Plus our new COE things are looking good for the future.

I don't think he even wants to come here so its all speculation, but I will put this out there....

In 12 months time when Trent Barrett is struggling, Phil Gould makes good on a promise for a former disciple Cameron Ciraldo and says " Son, we have a nice club here, lots of dollars, already some Panther juniors here and more on the way.....lets say you stay at the Panthers for another 12 months and I'll call you next June?"


I am certain that conversation has already taken place.

You would think if we were targeting Ciraldo we would want him soon.
Few jobs will come up in the new year.
If parra crash out then Arthur gone
Sticky would have to be close if they have another shocker.
Cowboys?
Broncos?
Maybe drags?

I'm not saying we should sign him but it would be like us to miss out because we made our minds up too late.

 

[jirskyr]

The main reason Madge got the job in the first place was because he said he could take our current (2019) squad to the finals, and he wouldn’t require a rebuild. We liked what he was saying so gave Bennett an ultimatum to make sure we didn’t lose both.

Who is the potential candidate who says they could not work with the current squad, at any football club in history? Unless you are hiring Craig Bellamy or Trent Robinson, a new coach does not get to dictate a rebuild.

Um, several other prospects said a rebuild would be required and that that would be their priority upon taking the job. To turnaround the squad as quickly as possible. Madge said that wasn't necessary and he could work with our squad and current contacts and get the team to play finals.

Playing finals in the first season isn't a statement all coaches make in the interview process, and with good reason.

Which other prospects said this? You were present during the interviews?

So you go into a head coach interview and you tell the prospective club - this needs to be a rebuild (another, just after Ivan Cleary started one), and we probably can't make the finals the first season. But please hire me.

Regardless of what is promised or not, making the finals is a minimum benchmark for a new coach, and regardless of whether or not they say it can be done within 12 months or 36 months, they are judged on the actual outcome (if they can actually get themselves into the job in the first place).

 

[jirskyr]

There’s just one problem - Ciraldo is unlikely to accept the job if it’s offered to him.
The former Sharks and Panthers forward is seen as the next man in line for a head coaching gig, but is more than happy with life as number two to Ivan Cleary at Penrith.
Ciraldo is also smart enough to know that the Tigers are a rabble - and turning them into a winning club could take years.

The stupidity of all this line of thinking is a junior coach almost never gets a go at an ongoing successful club. Either the coach has what it takes to make any club competitive, or they don't. If they need to be picky about their appointments, it tells you what kind of potential coach they are.

It's all well and good for assistants to sit back and wait for the perfect role, but that is to assume someone steps aside at a high-profile club (e.g. Bennett at Rabbits), when there are only 16 NRL sides.

Ciraldo is, what, waiting for Ivan Cleary to step down? Whilst his son is the NSW halfback, 23 years old and years and years to go in his career?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-cameron-ciraldo-to-coach-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-contract-penrith-panthers/news-story/3fe53ad8d59ae5e4cc33ae655fea6a6d

 

[jadtiger]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-cameron-ciraldo-to-coach-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-contract-penrith-panthers/news-story/3fe53ad8d59ae5e4cc33ae655fea6a6d

Lol so the drunken sot has no information just speculation as per usual.The sooner that dopes liver gives up the unequal fight the better

 

[cochise]

Very good news that Sheens will be the head coach with Maguire as the figurehead coach.
Congratulations to the club. With Sheens heading the coaching I have hope again.
Well done to Maguire for accepting the demotion to figurehead. it can't be easy.
We should all now get behind Sheens and the club and move into our improving future.

Wow that’s a winning move from the club if that’s the case ,Sheens head coach .. Maguire figurehead coach ? the new position created by the review board to cover everyone’s failures .
Well I suppose it’s like 6 home grounds now the board are collecting coaches you do not want to pay one out so you employ another only at the Tigers ??

We still need to get pascoe, Lee and hartigan away from first grade recruitment.

Hartigan needs to have final say on recruitment, with a little guidance from Sheens.

And surely with guidance from Madge as well Cochise.
He is the Head Coach, so surely he gets a say in who he feels he can best work with.

Should be the other way in my opinion.

Why?

I am more talking about as a mentor, I am happy for Madge and Sheens to have input into recruitment decisions, but strongly believe the final decision should rest with Hartigan.

Genuine question. How does that work with the concept of a coach's accountability? I wouldn't want to be accountable if I didn't have final say on my team.

There are not many sports in the world where coaches have final say over the roster.

 

[Geo]

So it looks like to me Ciraldo doesn’t really want the job… can’t blame him really..

 

[coivtny]

Very good news that Sheens will be the head coach with Maguire as the figurehead coach.
Congratulations to the club. With Sheens heading the coaching I have hope again.
Well done to Maguire for accepting the demotion to figurehead. it can't be easy.
We should all now get behind Sheens and the club and move into our improving future.

Wow that’s a winning move from the club if that’s the case ,Sheens head coach .. Maguire figurehead coach ? the new position created by the review board to cover everyone’s failures .
Well I suppose it’s like 6 home grounds now the board are collecting coaches you do not want to pay one out so you employ another only at the Tigers ??

We still need to get pascoe, Lee and hartigan away from first grade recruitment.

Hartigan needs to have final say on recruitment, with a little guidance from Sheens.

And surely with guidance from Madge as well Cochise.
He is the Head Coach, so surely he gets a say in who he feels he can best work with.

Should be the other way in my opinion.

Why?

I am more talking about as a mentor, I am happy for Madge and Sheens to have input into recruitment decisions, but strongly believe the final decision should rest with Hartigan.

Genuine question. How does that work with the concept of a coach's accountability? I wouldn't want to be accountable if I didn't have final say on my team.

There are not many sports in the world where coaches have final say over the roster.

OK, agree to disagree. From previous posts I believe you are a CEO and I was for 15 years before retiring. In my role I would only accept accountability if I chose my team. You can't do it from day one because there are incumbents but, over time, I chose and shaped my team to produce the best outcomes for my organisation.

 

[cochise]

Very good news that Sheens will be the head coach with Maguire as the figurehead coach.
Congratulations to the club. With Sheens heading the coaching I have hope again.
Well done to Maguire for accepting the demotion to figurehead. it can't be easy.
We should all now get behind Sheens and the club and move into our improving future.

Wow that’s a winning move from the club if that’s the case ,Sheens head coach .. Maguire figurehead coach ? the new position created by the review board to cover everyone’s failures .
Well I suppose it’s like 6 home grounds now the board are collecting coaches you do not want to pay one out so you employ another only at the Tigers ??

We still need to get pascoe, Lee and hartigan away from first grade recruitment.

Hartigan needs to have final say on recruitment, with a little guidance from Sheens.

And surely with guidance from Madge as well Cochise.
He is the Head Coach, so surely he gets a say in who he feels he can best work with.

Should be the other way in my opinion.

Why?

I am more talking about as a mentor, I am happy for Madge and Sheens to have input into recruitment decisions, but strongly believe the final decision should rest with Hartigan.

Genuine question. How does that work with the concept of a coach's accountability? I wouldn't want to be accountable if I didn't have final say on my team.

There are not many sports in the world where coaches have final say over the roster.

OK, agree to disagree. From previous posts I believe you are a CEO and I was for 15 years before retiring. In my role I would only accept accountability if I chose my team. You can't do it from day one because there are incumbents but, over time, I chose and shaped my team to produce the best outcomes for my organisation.

A coach is not a ceo though. I am not happy to have the future of the team in the hands of the person that is in the most transitional position in the organisation, a position that is often reliant on short term success, a position that requires no qualifications in financial management. The coach is employed to coach the team, I am happy for him to have input into the roster and who he would like to sign, but after that it is someone else role to manage the squad. I want the team built for the next 10 years and not to maximise the chances of the coach getting an extension. Many coaches sell the future for short term success when handed the keys to a club.

 

[coivtny]

Very good news that Sheens will be the head coach with Maguire as the figurehead coach.
Congratulations to the club. With Sheens heading the coaching I have hope again.
Well done to Maguire for accepting the demotion to figurehead. it can't be easy.
We should all now get behind Sheens and the club and move into our improving future.

Wow that’s a winning move from the club if that’s the case ,Sheens head coach .. Maguire figurehead coach ? the new position created by the review board to cover everyone’s failures .
Well I suppose it’s like 6 home grounds now the board are collecting coaches you do not want to pay one out so you employ another only at the Tigers ??

We still need to get pascoe, Lee and hartigan away from first grade recruitment.

Hartigan needs to have final say on recruitment, with a little guidance from Sheens.

And surely with guidance from Madge as well Cochise.
He is the Head Coach, so surely he gets a say in who he feels he can best work with.

Should be the other way in my opinion.

Why?

I am more talking about as a mentor, I am happy for Madge and Sheens to have input into recruitment decisions, but strongly believe the final decision should rest with Hartigan.

Genuine question. How does that work with the concept of a coach's accountability? I wouldn't want to be accountable if I didn't have final say on my team.

There are not many sports in the world where coaches have final say over the roster.

OK, agree to disagree. From previous posts I believe you are a CEO and I was for 15 years before retiring. In my role I would only accept accountability if I chose my team. You can't do it from day one because there are incumbents but, over time, I chose and shaped my team to produce the best outcomes for my organisation.

A coach is not a ceo though. I am not happy to have the future of the team in the hands of the person that is in the most transitional position in the organisation, a position that is often reliant on short term success, a position that requires no qualifications in financial management. The coach is employed to coach the team, I am happy for him to have input into the roster and who he would like to sign, but after that it is someone eleses role role to manage the squad. I' want the team built for the next 10 years and not to maximise the chances of the coach getting an extension. Many coaches sell the future for short term success when handed the keys to a club.

Fair points.

 

[Swordy]

Just to prove not a single journalist has a clue.......

**Michael Chammas quoted on ‘100%footy’ 13/9**
“**The review is finalised** that will determine Michael Maguire’s future - the report will be submitted to the board and a decision will be made soon,"

NEXT DAY

**(Foxsports 14/9 @8.24am)**
“The Tigers **are in the midst of an internal review** after another failed bid to break their finals drought and Rothfield revealed Ciraldo is in their sights.”

**Phil Rothfield NRL 360 Monday 6/9**
“ I spoke to someone who told me that Tim Sheens doesn’t know when he is coming back and in fact, **doesn’t know what the role is!** Can you believe that guys? He doesn’t even know what his role is!”

**Michael Chammas on ‘100% footy’ 13/9**
"There’s going to be a significant development – Tim Sheens, who was brought into the club **as a consultant to look after pathways**, is going to be promoted into the coaching director role.”

**Zachary gates for Nine.com.au 14/9 @6am**
“Sheens was originally **lured back to Concord in May** as head of football performance…”

First the report is finished as of yesterday, but as of 8am this morning it is back on.

Then Rothfield says Sheens doesnt know his role, some other crocodile says he was lured back in MAY as head of football.

These idiots are making it all up. They are guessing and hoping they are correct. If you guess enough, you will get something right. Like throwing a dart, you will eventually get the bullseye.

If you quote any of these dudes as fact for your arguments, you are a bigger dick than you realise.

 

[balmain boy]

The main reason Madge got the job in the first place was because he said he could take our current (2019) squad to the finals, and he wouldn’t require a rebuild. We liked what he was saying so gave Bennett an ultimatum to make sure we didn’t lose both.

Who is the potential candidate who says they could not work with the current squad, at any football club in history? Unless you are hiring Craig Bellamy or Trent Robinson, a new coach does not get to dictate a rebuild.

Um, several other prospects said a rebuild would be required and that that would be their priority upon taking the job. To turnaround the squad as quickly as possible. Madge said that wasn't necessary and he could work with our squad and current contacts and get the team to play finals.

Playing finals in the first season isn't a statement all coaches make in the interview process, and with good reason.

Which other prospects said this? You were present during the interviews?

So you go into a head coach interview and you tell the prospective club - this needs to be a rebuild (another, just after Ivan Cleary started one), and we probably can't make the finals the first season. But please hire me.

Regardless of what is promised or not, making the finals is a minimum benchmark for a new coach, and regardless of whether or not they say it can be done within 12 months or 36 months, they are judged on the actual outcome (if they can actually get themselves into the job in the first place).

Another of jirskyr's many super literal tweets. I presume you never talk about anything to which you didn't witness first hand? Get in the real world. You must be real fun at parties.

 

[4jtigers]

The main reason Madge got the job in the first place was because he said he could take our current (2019) squad to the finals, and he wouldn’t require a rebuild. We liked what he was saying so gave Bennett an ultimatum to make sure we didn’t lose both.

Who is the potential candidate who says they could not work with the current squad, at any football club in history? Unless you are hiring Craig Bellamy or Trent Robinson, a new coach does not get to dictate a rebuild.

Um, several other prospects said a rebuild would be required and that that would be their priority upon taking the job. To turnaround the squad as quickly as possible. Madge said that wasn't necessary and he could work with our squad and current contacts and get the team to play finals.

Playing finals in the first season isn't a statement all coaches make in the interview process, and with good reason.

Which other prospects said this? You were present during the interviews?

So you go into a head coach interview and you tell the prospective club - this needs to be a rebuild (another, just after Ivan Cleary started one), and we probably can't make the finals the first season. But please hire me.

Regardless of what is promised or not, making the finals is a minimum benchmark for a new coach, and regardless of whether or not they say it can be done within 12 months or 36 months, they are judged on the actual outcome (if they can actually get themselves into the job in the first place).

Another of jirskyr's many super literal tweets. I presume you never talk about anything to which you didn't witness first hand? Get in the real world. You must be real fun at parties.

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[JC99]

It can't JUST be Madge going. I want him to go but sacking just him doesn't fix the bigger issues. Majority of the support staff and Pascoe need to go out with him

 

[Demps]

Just to prove not a single journalist has a clue.......

**Michael Chammas quoted on ‘100%footy’ 13/9**
“**The review is finalised** that will determine Michael Maguire’s future - the report will be submitted to the board and a decision will be made soon,"

NEXT DAY

**(Foxsports 14/9 @8.24am)**
“The Tigers **are in the midst of an internal review** after another failed bid to break their finals drought and Rothfield revealed Ciraldo is in their sights.”

**Phil Rothfield NRL 360 Monday 6/9**
“ I spoke to someone who told me that Tim Sheens doesn’t know when he is coming back and in fact, **doesn’t know what the role is!** Can you believe that guys? He doesn’t even know what his role is!”

**Michael Chammas on ‘100% footy’ 13/9**
"There’s going to be a significant development – Tim Sheens, who was brought into the club **as a consultant to look after pathways**, is going to be promoted into the coaching director role.”

**Zachary gates for Nine.com.au 14/9 @6am**
“Sheens was originally **lured back to Concord in May** as head of football performance…”

First the report is finished as of yesterday, but as of 8am this morning it is back on.

Then Rothfield says Sheens doesnt know his role, some other crocodile says he was lured back in MAY as head of football.

These idiots are making it all up. They are guessing and hoping they are correct. If you guess enough, you will get something right. Like throwing a dart, you will eventually get the bullseye.

If you quote any of these dudes as fact for your arguments, you are a bigger dick than you realise.

Doesn't add up eh.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

So it looks like to me Ciraldo doesn’t really want the job… can’t blame him really..

What’s the big deal with this guy anyway?
He’s assistant coach ….. saw nothing special when he was on short firsts team duties while back.
We do get worked up about nothing.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Just to prove not a single journalist has a clue.......

**Michael Chammas quoted on ‘100%footy’ 13/9**
“**The review is finalised** that will determine Michael Maguire’s future - the report will be submitted to the board and a decision will be made soon,"

NEXT DAY

**(Foxsports 14/9 @8.24am)**
“The Tigers **are in the midst of an internal review** after another failed bid to break their finals drought and Rothfield revealed Ciraldo is in their sights.”

**Phil Rothfield NRL 360 Monday 6/9**
“ I spoke to someone who told me that Tim Sheens doesn’t know when he is coming back and in fact, **doesn’t know what the role is!** Can you believe that guys? He doesn’t even know what his role is!”

**Michael Chammas on ‘100% footy’ 13/9**
"There’s going to be a significant development – Tim Sheens, who was brought into the club **as a consultant to look after pathways**, is going to be promoted into the coaching director role.”

**Zachary gates for Nine.com.au 14/9 @6am**
“Sheens was originally **lured back to Concord in May** as head of football performance…”

First the report is finished as of yesterday, but as of 8am this morning it is back on.

Then Rothfield says Sheens doesnt know his role, some other crocodile says he was lured back in MAY as head of football.

These idiots are making it all up. They are guessing and hoping they are correct. If you guess enough, you will get something right. Like throwing a dart, you will eventually get the bullseye.

If you quote any of these dudes as fact for your arguments, you are a bigger dick than you realise.

Nothing new there.
They are a bunch of story tellers looking for a fast buck.

 

[851]

It can't JUST be Madge going. I want him to go but sacking just him doesn't fix the bigger issues. Majority of the support staff and Pascoe need to go out with him

I fully agree, and some players as well, show everyone this time it is for real, not just a half baked review, a real line in the sand moment, we can't mess this up with just getting rid of the assistant coaches

 

[851]

So it looks like to me Ciraldo doesn’t really want the job… can’t blame him really..

What’s the big deal with this guy anyway?
He’s assistant coach ….. saw nothing special when he was on short firsts team duties while back.
We do get worked up about nothing.

Madge has produced nothing in 3 years, actually taken the team backwards, and plenty want him here next year