Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[PJ_]

When Maguire retired from playing he initially left the game and taught physical education before signing as a strength and conditioning coach for Canberra.

He later became an assistant coach for the Raiders' reserve grade under Mal Meninga.

Maguire was eventually promoted to assistant coach of the Canberra first team alongside Matthew Elliott, before leaving the club in 2004 to take the assistant coaching job at Melbourne Storm under a former Raiders teammate, Craig Bellamy.

Maguire was an integral part in Melbourne's stripped NRL premierships and took control of first team affairs when head coach Bellamy took up representative duties for the Blues in State of Origin.

Some of Maguire's statistics, for me it's abit alarming seeing our win ratio very low.


So seeing this, you could say its the culture of the club and the lazy players - or you could say that Maguire has been out of the NRL for awhile and cant adjust to it anymore?

For me... I think its the lazy players we currently have and the cattle we can never get.

It’s the roster pure and simple.

What was his excuse at Souths in 2016 and 2017? They came 12th both seasons then Seibold got essentially the same roster to 3rd the following year.

why is that downvoted? fair enough question i think.

The cult don't like reasonable questions.
If they get hold of you you'll be audited.

Didn't know I signed up for a cult. Mums gonna kick my ass

 

[pawsandclaws1]

When Maguire retired from playing he initially left the game and taught physical education before signing as a strength and conditioning coach for Canberra.

He later became an assistant coach for the Raiders' reserve grade under Mal Meninga.

Maguire was eventually promoted to assistant coach of the Canberra first team alongside Matthew Elliott, before leaving the club in 2004 to take the assistant coaching job at Melbourne Storm under a former Raiders teammate, Craig Bellamy.

Maguire was an integral part in Melbourne's stripped NRL premierships and took control of first team affairs when head coach Bellamy took up representative duties for the Blues in State of Origin.

Some of Maguire's statistics, for me it's abit alarming seeing our win ratio very low.


So seeing this, you could say its the culture of the club and the lazy players - or you could say that Maguire has been out of the NRL for awhile and cant adjust to it anymore?

For me... I think its the lazy players we currently have and the cattle we can never get.

It’s the roster pure and simple.

What was his excuse at Souths in 2016 and 2017? They came 12th both seasons then Seibold got essentially the same roster to 3rd the following year.

God I hate this question, its such a short sighted attack on Madge.

In 2017, they had just lost Keary to the roosters and Inglis went down with a knee injury in round 1 for the season. Losing two of your spine is going to impact your teams capacity to compete.

Souths were in such state of salary cap transition post premiership success. We should give Madge some credit for bringing over Cook and starting him at hooker, debuting Walker, Crichton, Murray, Campbell - Graham and a bunch of others. Their development across 2016-17 were the foundation blocks of the 2018 success. I think Seibolds post Souths performances may be more indicative of him benefiting from Madge's work than Seibold turning around a dysfunctional side. At least Madge went on to succeed in England.

I know we are all broken inside, but I think the same foundations are being built by the Madge orientated players. Laurie, Douhei, Talau, Stefano, these are our chance at foundation blocks, similar to what I think Madge helped build at Souths, twice.

Hi Madge. Welcome to the WTF. Great first post.

Souths didn't obviously feel the same way about Maguire's performance end of 2017.

 

[CCWT]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

 

[GNR4LIFE]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

We had Tedesco 5 years ago with arguably a better roster.

 

[CCWT]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

We had Tedesco 5 years ago with arguably a better roster.

Yes but not a 2 x premiership winning coach ?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

We had Tedesco 5 years ago with arguably a better roster.

Yes but not a 2 x premiership winning coach ?

I wouldn’t be including his ESL premiership. That means jack.

 

[CCWT]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

We had Tedesco 5 years ago with arguably a better roster.

Yes but not a 2 x premiership winning coach ?

I wouldn’t be including his ESL premiership. That means jack.

Really? Seems odd to not include but ok.. so you think if we had turbo this year we wouldn’t have done any better?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

We had Tedesco 5 years ago with arguably a better roster.

Yes but not a 2 x premiership winning coach ?

I wouldn’t be including his ESL premiership. That means jack.

Really? Seems odd to not include but ok.. so you think if we had turbo this year we wouldn’t have done any better?

I doubt it, as he wouldn’t have solved any of our main issues.

 

[Needaname]

When Maguire retired from playing he initially left the game and taught physical education before signing as a strength and conditioning coach for Canberra.

He later became an assistant coach for the Raiders' reserve grade under Mal Meninga.

Maguire was eventually promoted to assistant coach of the Canberra first team alongside Matthew Elliott, before leaving the club in 2004 to take the assistant coaching job at Melbourne Storm under a former Raiders teammate, Craig Bellamy.

Maguire was an integral part in Melbourne's stripped NRL premierships and took control of first team affairs when head coach Bellamy took up representative duties for the Blues in State of Origin.

Some of Maguire's statistics, for me it's abit alarming seeing our win ratio very low.


So seeing this, you could say its the culture of the club and the lazy players - or you could say that Maguire has been out of the NRL for awhile and cant adjust to it anymore?

For me... I think its the lazy players we currently have and the cattle we can never get.

It’s the roster pure and simple.

What was his excuse at Souths in 2016 and 2017? They came 12th both seasons then Seibold got essentially the same roster to 3rd the following year.

God I hate this question, its such a short sighted attack on Madge.

In 2017, they had just lost Keary to the roosters and Inglis went down with a knee injury in round 1 for the season. Losing two of your spine is going to impact your teams capacity to compete.

Souths were in such state of salary cap transition post premiership success. We should give Madge some credit for bringing over Cook and starting him at hooker, debuting Walker, Crichton, Murray, Campbell - Graham and a bunch of others. Their development across 2016-17 were the foundation blocks of the 2018 success. I think Seibolds post Souths performances may be more indicative of him benefiting from Madge's work than Seibold turning around a dysfunctional side. At least Madge went on to succeed in England.

I know we are all broken inside, but I think the same foundations are being built by the Madge orientated players. Laurie, Douhei, Talau, Stefano, these are our chance at foundation blocks, similar to what I think Madge helped build at Souths, twice.

It really isn't though. Even with Inglis out for 2017 there were a blend of youth and high quality senior players - a way better squad than 12th. He simply couldn't get them firing. And look at the 2016 squad. If he could only get this team to 12th, what chance does he have getting us to the finals?

I think Seibold is hopeless but from the final round of 2017 to the opening round of 2018 they played a different style of football - that's why they had success. Madge ball doesn't work anymore.

I believe the instances above are a fair example of why we should keep Madge. It’s pretty evident that Madge has all the tools required to develop a roster. He’s proven it on more than two occasions and despite the disappointment of this year his shown how well he has got the youth in the side humming.

So whilst we are running in quicksand at the moment I’m happy with having a coach whose proven he can build and ready a squad to be a force long term to be the guy that builds this squad.

All that said though i can very easily see this being a Nathan Brown / Newcastle assignment.

But the upside is with Madge I feel we’ll be in a better place when the time comes than where Newcastle were at prior to AOB taking over.

The key will be identifying our next coach as well need someone better than the current options to put the polish on the team. I wouldn’t be oppose to getting this person in now into an assistant spot ready to take over in /24

 

[CCWT]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

We had Tedesco 5 years ago with arguably a better roster.

Yes but not a 2 x premiership winning coach ?

I wouldn’t be including his ESL premiership. That means jack.

Really? Seems odd to not include but ok.. so you think if we had turbo this year we wouldn’t have done any better?

I doubt it, as he wouldn’t have solved any of our main issues.

Fair enough, I think his leadership and tackle breaking alone would have got us into the 8.

 

[GCfan]

When Maguire retired from playing he initially left the game and taught physical education before signing as a strength and conditioning coach for Canberra.

He later became an assistant coach for the Raiders' reserve grade under Mal Meninga.

Maguire was eventually promoted to assistant coach of the Canberra first team alongside Matthew Elliott, before leaving the club in 2004 to take the assistant coaching job at Melbourne Storm under a former Raiders teammate, Craig Bellamy.

Maguire was an integral part in Melbourne's stripped NRL premierships and took control of first team affairs when head coach Bellamy took up representative duties for the Blues in State of Origin.

Some of Maguire's statistics, for me it's abit alarming seeing our win ratio very low.


So seeing this, you could say its the culture of the club and the lazy players - or you could say that Maguire has been out of the NRL for awhile and cant adjust to it anymore?

For me... I think its the lazy players we currently have and the cattle we can never get.

It’s the roster pure and simple.

What was his excuse at Souths in 2016 and 2017? They came 12th both seasons then Seibold got essentially the same roster to 3rd the following year.

why is that downvoted? fair enough question i think.

The cult don't like reasonable questions.
If they get hold of you you'll be audited.

Ill be a card carrying member if he can win some games next year. I want to be a Madgeadite, I just don't buy into the preaching's just yet.

You’d be a Madget

Gold

 

[jirskyr]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

We had Tedesco 5 years ago with arguably a better roster.

Yes but not a 2 x premiership winning coach ?

I wouldn’t be including his ESL premiership. That means jack.

It means a lot for a coach. Maybe less for a player - if they are talented, the ESL is a lower standard and they can dominate more easily.

But for a coach - if the comp is lower standard, that's universal, both the opposition and his own roster. It's not as if he's coaching an NRL side in an ESL-level competition.

 

[hsvjones]

A coach that’s won 2 premierships knows what they are doing. It’s now about the roster, if we had a Turbo, Tedesco game changing player or 2 we would be fine

Spot on and agree 100%... With the team he has had we should of got a spoon in the last 3 years.. add a few quality players and we are in the 8

 

[wet tiger coloured bird]

if you can take a photo of yourself or your kids with your favourite west tigers player who would it be? before it would be benji of chris lawerence. now no one

 

[frullens]

if you can take a photo of yourself or your kids with your favourite west tigers player who would it be? before it would be benji of chris lawerence. now no one

Easy The Ute, AD , Blore, Lauire and Seyfarth

 

[cochise]

if you can take a photo of yourself or your kids with your favourite west tigers player who would it be? before it would be benji of chris lawerence. now no one

Laurie, AD, Blore or Stefano?

 

[yeahcaz]

if you can take a photo of yourself or your kids with your favourite west tigers player who would it be? before it would be benji of chris lawerence. now no one

Laurie, AD, Blore or Stefano?

They’ll be good relics when they all leave in 2 years time

 

[cochise]

if you can take a photo of yourself or your kids with your favourite west tigers player who would it be? before it would be benji of chris lawerence. now no one

Laurie, AD, Blore or Stefano?

They’ll be good relics when they all leave in 2 years time

Can't get much more sooky than that.

 

[yeahcaz]

if you can take a photo of yourself or your kids with your favourite west tigers player who would it be? before it would be benji of chris lawerence. now no one

Laurie, AD, Blore or Stefano?

They’ll be good relics when they all leave in 2 years time

Can't get much more sooky than that.

I’d love to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will be.

 

[cochise]

if you can take a photo of yourself or your kids with your favourite west tigers player who would it be? before it would be benji of chris lawerence. now no one

Laurie, AD, Blore or Stefano?

They’ll be good relics when they all leave in 2 years time

Can't get much more sooky than that.

I’d love to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will be.

Might as well give up.