Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[GNR4LIFE]

If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

Umm a premiership?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The first we punted because we couldn't win, why go back to that?

The second doesn't want to come here, and only has a track record of success at star-studded clubs. At Newcastle he was abysmal. Coaching England and Great Britain he was a disgrace and was hounded out. If he came here we would get his Newcastle record, not his Broncos/Souths record.

The third we tried, he was useless here, we couldn't make the 8, he was the worst recruiter in club history, and ultimately the greatest dog in club history.

The fourth is a good bloke who has briefly done ok, but has no long term track record to judge.

None of the above will solve our issues.

That's not a particularly strong case for retention! You would retain him because there is no one else suitable?

There are suitable candidates, Morris being one.

But that's the Luke Brooks argument lol. Double standards paws.

Brooks is a good player who Maguire cannot get the best from. But Brooks is not the lone ranger as it is a consistent theme with our roster.

 

[sleeve]

My concern is that Maguire isn't getting enough out of the team he has nor are players keen on coming here to play for him. Aloiai left. Matterson left. We are linked to the right players but in the end they don't want to come here. We have identified good young players and have a decent squad but they are playing horrendously.

It’s very concerning momo, Thompson, aloiai, left and our current squad have ?

Laurie hasn’t and don’t know if he will be an elite fullback, BJ was never the centre we wanted him to be who’s to blame and who can help us with recruitment moving forward.

Has Hartigan failed us with the first grade squad the noise has been very quite with him.

Would a better recruitment guy and recruitment minded ceo help with the squad

TT, Douehie, Nouffa, Mbye , Brooks were not Hartigans recruitments, and Jl and JTJ were fill ins only. I doubt he is the blame.

 

[tony soprano]

What I found hard to fathom was Chee Kam a second rower in the centres, have you seen his form in NSW Knockout Cup, not inspiring, poor selection. James Roberts is busting for the right balls to score, but NO, have a look at his tries scored, 6o% are a nice kick into the in goal and he burns to the ball. Whoever the defensive and attacking coaches are the need to get with the modern game, but saying that Madge has overall responsibility. Watching Flegg and Knockout, Hartigan is doing a great job.
Fitzgibbon has real potential, hands are not the best, but runs hard and fast, a real project.

I think chee kamm move to centre shows Madge lack of faith in his squad. Cini replacing chee doesn’t fix sundays issues and would not have been a great game to debut our young ones. They really need to fix our pack and centres.

Agree mate Fitz is on the improve he’s had some issues with his hands and defence but played the game hard last week improving in those areas.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The first we punted because we couldn't win, why go back to that?

The second doesn't want to come here, and only has a track record of success at star-studded clubs. At Newcastle he was abysmal. Coaching England and Great Britain he was a disgrace and was hounded out. If he came here we would get his Newcastle record, not his Broncos/Souths record.

The third we tried, he was useless here, we couldn't make the 8, he was the worst recruiter in club history, and ultimately the greatest dog in club history.

The fourth is a good bloke who has briefly done ok, but has no long term track record to judge.

None of the above will solve our issues.

That's not a particularly strong case for retention! You would retain him because there is no one else suitable?

There are suitable candidates, Morris being one.

He is a good coach with a good track record, who has chosen the longer term approach of youth over instant success. This WILL pay off in the years ahead, even if not this year. But if we get yet another new coach in, it's all for nothing and we start the whole process again. People used to scoff at Gould saying "he's into the 8th year of his 5 year plan" or whatever, but it was precisely that long term planning that has paved the way for what Penrith has now. The Penrith team in 2021 is the product of Gould and Griffin, NOT Cleary.

This is precisely what Madge is doing here. And we are going to throw all that in the bin and waste another 3 or 4 years because of a simplistic narrative that he's 'too hard and can't manage players'. Even though half his signings played for him previously and wanted to join him again.

The fans have had enough, understandably, after a decade and a half of no success. That's not on Madge though. He has won premierships in different hemispheres, he has beaten Australia as an international coach, his win rate over his career is higher than Sheens and Cleary. But because some veteran players who should know better couldn't be bothered to put the effort into a tackle, all of a sudden the narrative is "Madge can't coach". It's rubbish.

The strategy of investing in youth is a good one. How much of that is attributable to Maguire or Hartigan? But Morris was responsible for the highly regarded Cronulla junior pathways system. If a change of coach did occur, I have confidence Hartigan and Morris would be on the same page and our junior investment would continue full steam ahead,

 

[Rugba]

If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.

I don’t know he inherited a side that had salary cap mess , salary cap sanctions , players on big money injured half the time an tking up the cap , huge injury toll playing a lot of youngsters — scenario sounds familiar .. and would have been 3rd season in a row he would have got his side in the 8 if wasn’t punted

Whether they would have made the 8 this year is hypothetical. While acknowledging some of the things you mentioned, the leaders of the Club chose to dump him in favour of a guy who has zero NRL head coaching experience. Hardly a vote of confidence for Morris from those who know him and his abilities best.

So why keep madge he was sacked by Souths for someone with zero coaching experience and they would know his abilities best ?

anyway my comment was in relation to Morris being competent , with similar circumstances he has made the 8 last 2 years running

 

[diedpretty]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

I think Madge may well be part of the problem, but the bigger issue IS the board - things need to be cleaned out at the top before any meaningful change below can be fully realised. We jump into another coach right now, nothing much will change, they'll have a roster they aren't happy with and we're back to square one.

You are right in saying the board is the problem however the board isn't going to change - they would have to vote themselves out and that is not going to happen. Wests Ashfield run the show and answer to no one. Perfect example is Mick Lubinskas. One week after being re elected to his positions Mick was removed from the Wests Magpies Football club and removal from WT board for supposedly having his say on how he thought Wt and Wests Magpies should be moving forward. To date there has been no announcement from either WT or Wests Ashfield about his removal. The WT board is merely a puppet with Wests Ashfield pulling the strings.

 

[Rugba]

If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

Not saying Morris should he hired , but he is competent

However can you elaborate what constitutes a proven coach tho , he has had 2 and a bit years nrl coaching and been in finals past 2 years . Does a coach have to have x numbers or years coaching or had to win a premiership ?

 

[bigsiro]

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The first we punted because we couldn't win, why go back to that?

The second doesn't want to come here, and only has a track record of success at star-studded clubs. At Newcastle he was abysmal. Coaching England and Great Britain he was a disgrace and was hounded out. If he came here we would get his Newcastle record, not his Broncos/Souths record.

The third we tried, he was useless here, we couldn't make the 8, he was the worst recruiter in club history, and ultimately the greatest dog in club history.

The fourth is a good bloke who has briefly done ok, but has no long term track record to judge.

None of the above will solve our issues.

That's not a particularly strong case for retention! You would retain him because there is no one else suitable?

There are suitable candidates, Morris being one.

He is a good coach with a good track record, who has chosen the longer term approach of youth over instant success. This WILL pay off in the years ahead, even if not this year. But if we get yet another new coach in, it's all for nothing and we start the whole process again. People used to scoff at Gould saying "he's into the 8th year of his 5 year plan" or whatever, but it was precisely that long term planning that has paved the way for what Penrith has now. The Penrith team in 2021 is the product of Gould and Griffin, NOT Cleary.

This is precisely what Madge is doing here. And we are going to throw all that in the bin and waste another 3 or 4 years because of a simplistic narrative that he's 'too hard and can't manage players'. Even though half his signings played for him previously and wanted to join him again.

The fans have had enough, understandably, after a decade and a half of no success. That's not on Madge though. He has won premierships in different hemispheres, he has beaten Australia as an international coach, his win rate over his career is higher than Sheens and Cleary. But because some veteran players who should know better couldn't be bothered to put the effort into a tackle, all of a sudden the narrative is "Madge can't coach". It's rubbish.

Solid post

 

[sleeve]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

I think Madge may well be part of the problem, but the bigger issue IS the board - things need to be cleaned out at the top before any meaningful change below can be fully realised. We jump into another coach right now, nothing much will change, they'll have a roster they aren't happy with and we're back to square one.


You are right in saying the board is the problem however the board isn't going to change - they would have to vote themselves out and that is not going to happen. Wests Ashfield run the show and answer to no one. Perfect example is Mick Lubinskas. One week after being re elected to his positions Mick was removed from the Wests Magpies Football club and removal from WT board for supposedly having his say on how he thought Wt and Wests Magpies should be moving forward. To date there has been no announcement from either WT or Wests Ashfield about his removal. The WT board is merely a puppet with Wests Ashfield pulling the strings.

Is it really that bad ? I was not aware, and if true, no wonder we have problems. The strength of the club starts in the head office.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

Not saying Morris should he hired , but he is competent

However can you elaborate what constitutes a proven coach tho , he has had 2 and a bit years nrl coaching and been in finals past 2 years . Does a coach have to have x numbers or years coaching or had to win a premiership ?

Look at Seibold. Looked like was Bellamy 2.0 the year he was at Souths. Went to the Broncos and you know the rest.

 

[Rugba]

If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

Not saying Morris should he hired , but he is competent

However can you elaborate what constitutes a proven coach tho , he has had 2 and a bit years nrl coaching and been in finals past 2 years . Does a coach have to have x numbers or years coaching or had to win a premiership ?


Look at Seibold. Looked like was Bellamy 2.0 the year he was at Souths. Went to the Broncos and you know the rest.

Hey no negative talk around siebold he is my last hero :blush:
He brought me many lol’s during covid

 

[mccarry2]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

If the board is leaking the stuff does that not mean the writing is on the wall.... how much longer can he stick around if they're not backing him

Pretty messed up that the board never comes under as much scrutiny

Sorry did I miss something. What is the board leaking? Source please

 

[Rugba]

What I don’t get you have the mole saying west’s Ashfield happy to keep madge but it’s the Campbelltown faction that wants him gone ... thought campbo had nothing to do with the club

 

[Geo]

Don't read Fantasies...

 

[Tiger5150]

I'm for keeping Madge but the narrative that tigers will have sacked 5 coaches in 9 years is hyperbole. Jason Taylor, Mick Potter and Tim Sheens were sacked. Madge would be the fourth coach sacked. Cleary left us, he wasn't sacked. Four coaches sacked in ten years would be a fair few, but it's not really more than Penrith, gold coast, Manly, Warriors, Sharks, Newcastle, Brisbane, Souths etc. Really not much different. So it's a bit of a false narrative.

Potter wasn’t sacked, just wasn’t extended

Stating something factual now gets downvoted on here. Pathetic

Agendas mate

 

[Telltails]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

Maguire has zero leadership on the field with senior players that don't show an ounce of passion on the field for the club or the jersey - LL excluded. The young players have no one to lead and the player who has been there the longest and in a key position seems more than content to hang around and accept the coaching merry go round. Great example to set.
Last year we saw what a quality player in Harry Grant can do for a team. At 22 he had more desire than the lot of our blokes, and the players followed him. We all know what they should be doing but they don't have to because they know who will wear the blame for their lack of desire and it won't be them. That is what we are about.

We have regressed.

Our roster is better than results indicate.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire to lead.

The other player you refer to performed well under Cleary.

Tamou is only leading because the obvious player who should be is incapable of leadership. Tamou has been at the club for five minutes, and yet the player most identified with the club in a key position, and is on the field for 80 mins at 26yrs old is still not up to it. He should be demanding the job.
Our roster is better than results indicate - based on what? A spine with a 19 and 20 year old with less than 10 FG games between them and a new halves pairing where the senior player is reluctant to lead?
Brooks could play well under anyone he has the skills and as a senior player he has a responsibility to set the standard. He is singley not to blame for our position no more than Maguire is but he has a responsiblity to own his deficiencies. The "He played well under Cleary" line is getting just as old as the Maguire won a premiership.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire as a leader. Has he been jettisoned by Maguire already?

And being flogged by Manly, not considered a genuine premiership threat, is hardly indicative of our roster strength.

Brooks will be another WTs disaster story going on to success at another club if he leaves.

I don't believe Maguire can attract quality players required and in any case it would be a futile exercise with the coaching, tactics, defensive structures in place

The approach to Sam Burgess story if true reaffirms a coaching change is needed.

No need to worry about losing Brooks already stated he "is not going anywhere" - content just where he is.

 

[jadtiger]

What I don’t get you have the mole saying west’s Ashfield happy to keep madge but it’s the Campbelltown faction that wants him gone ... thought campbo had nothing to do with the club

They dont,it is probably just a board member spreading misinformation to cover their tracks.

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr
If given time, the Brad Arthur comparison might be right...no idea...
Re ***Ricky Stuart, IMO the jury is still out on him as a coach*** (maybe it's personal bias, but he irritates me...)
The Roosters team he coached was a team that was already making finals and Grand Finals; a team stacked with all-time talent. They really should have won more.
Likewise his team at Canberra ***now*** is pretty damn good.

I'd like to think that if Madge had either of those teams now we wouldn't be talking about sacking him.

The jury is well and truly in on Sticky. He is coaching a team with no attractive virtues (who wants to live in Canberra instead of Sydney or Qld?), no particular money (no Politis/Crowe or Hagipetalis for that matter) and has used his football brain to establish a team that ALWAYS competes for the 8. Look at his squad, how many established stars has he pinched from elsewhere. He has built that team.

You use the fact that the Canberra team he is coaching is "pretty damn good" to denigrate his abilities. How do you think that team was put together?

 

[rihannafan1]

My concern is that Maguire isn't getting enough out of the team he has nor are players keen on coming here to play for him. Aloiai left. Matterson left. We are linked to the right players but in the end they don't want to come here. We have identified good young players and have a decent squad but they are playing horrendously.

It’s very concerning momo, Thompson, aloiai, left and our current squad have ?

Laurie hasn’t and don’t know if he will be an elite fullback, BJ was never the centre we wanted him to be who’s to blame and who can help us with recruitment moving forward.

Has Hartigan failed us with the first grade squad the noise has been very quite with him.

Would a better recruitment guy and recruitment minded ceo help with the squad

Woah woah woah. Hartigan has done just fine. There is a clear plan with the buys he has made and it is the exact opposite of burning money that Ivan had. It will work. Look at things clicking into gear in the lower grades. They can be criticised for not buying more professional veterans and have been caught trying to win now and develop players.

Laurie doesn't need to be brought into this. Were you expecting him to be Papenhuyzen, Tedesco or Turbo? Penrith would have kept him if so.

The issue appears to be with Maguire's game plans and communication. The team is also bog average.

I think the club will identify better coaching support to put around Maguire, that's their biggest deficiency right now. His character is respectable but his approach to footy hasn't worked here.