Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Speed2burn]

He’s living in the early 2010’s still

The high completion rate boring style of grinding footy. I don’t blame some of the players but it’s clear from an outsider looking in madges style of play just doesn’t work in today’s game

We had a heavy flow of possession for the first 30 mins yet seemed happy to plod along and try and grind our way to victory. A real team would have put their foot on the throat...not us and I put that on madges tactics.

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

You can play like that if you can defend well all game but even then the top teams will score points against you no matter what.

The souffs game was a blue print to how he wants it to be played

We don’t have the cattle to back it up week to week though imo. That’s why Madge needs to change up his tactics

 

[facepalmer]

The media coming out in support of Madge feels agenda-driven. He must be one of the boys.

No because when you take off the Black ,Tangerine and White sunnies Mac you can see how underwhelming this squad actually is

Oh no I am aware it sucks.

 

[Needaname]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

 

[Speed2burn]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

 

[jirskyr]

“We’ve seen champions come out of that area, (James) Tedesco, (Israel) Folau, Jarryd Hayne. They are building a high performance centre in Concord. Why aren’t they doing what Penrith did and setting up elite junior pathways in a growth area like Campbelltown?

Buzz's overall arguments not so bad, but this is just where the dumb arguments come in.

Firstly, I'm pretty sure the Tigers have set up their elite junior pathway based in Macarthur. Also the obvious - we have Wests Magpies teams fielded in every division.

Then the players, it's dumb arguments like "Player X grew up in Campbelltown, why wasn't he signed to Tigers". For starters on specific players, Folau moved to Brisbane when he was an early teenager, and that's where Storm scouted him from. Secondly, you can't conceivably retain 100% of players who happened to live in your district at one point in their lives, esp. if you are from a young league area and esp when low-participation clubs like Easts go about signing up juniors from other regions.

 

[jirskyr]

Interesting how every media pundit has tried to have his/her say within 48 hours of the match. I know Tigers are travelling badly but I don't quite get why we had suddenly become the focus of analysis/opinion on what is going wrong. A lot of other battling clubs currently avoiding attention.

 

[jadtiger]

Interesting how every media pundit has tried to have his/her say within 48 hours of the match. I know Tigers are travelling badly but I don't quite get why we had suddenly become the focus of analysis/opinion on what is going wrong. A lot of other battling clubs currently avoiding attention.

In Slothfields case it is most likely because he is trying to divert attention away from cronullas lack of effort since they shafted Morris

 

[joeblock]

Anyone who follows US sport will know the concept of a rebuild. Little different here as there is no draft but elements can be followed in NRL.

The plan is pretty obvious to me at least, pursue marquee signings up to a realistic level within cap, otherwise amass young prospects, some who will hopefully become marquee and core of future contending squad, few low risk high reward reclamation projects who are still young enough such as Roberts, Ofahengaue, then odd affordable veteran to fill role not covered by above, ie Tamou- Leadership/front row.

Then play all above between NRL and Reserves, win/loss less important than develop/discover if players have anything to add to a hopefully successful team in the future.

Good example was the Benji Saga, plain fact is the roster spot-money-**dressing room capital** is better used on a younger player, ie Doueihi, Simpkin, even 26 yr old Brooks😱 etc.
Give them a chance to prove they should be around in the future when Benji will be long retired and sharing his thoughts weekly on foxsports.

Yes it’s been too many years of finals wilderness,
Yes we all would like better immediate results on the field, I’m certain Madge and Hartigan would too, but hey not every plan is without setbacks.
But I can at least see a plan, behind closed doors it must have been explained to the powerbrokers, so up to them to hold firm. I vote **No** to sacking Madge.

 

[Needaname]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

 

[clontarfkid]

Its interesting that the 3 who had contract extensions (Nofa/Musgrove and Brooks)were 3 of our absolute worst on Sunday(albeit in a crowded field).That says something about the culture.What are these guys thinking...?
Id drop Brooks particularly in a heartbeat...get those eggshells out!!
Seperately,the LAST thing we need rite now is another demanding empathy free coach like Farah helping out..we need a man manager to assist.Maybe John Morris for rest of season as attack coach...?
Weve got an easier draw over next month which will determine Madges future


Just off the top of my head Musgrove Roberts and MCK were far worse than the 3 you mentioned not that they played particularly well

I DID mention Musgrove actually,who was shocking last Sunday
JTJ and MCK simply arent anywhere near NRL standard,so u come to expect it from them

 

[TrueTiger]

Before the season began, we were predicted to finish towards the bottom of the ladder.

A lot of people thought we'd challenge for the 8, including myself. Our roster isn't as bad as our results suggest.


Our roster IS that bad.
For the last 10 years the same people (mostly) are in denial of this and predicted we would be top 8, often top 4!
It's as unrealistic as Bulldogs fans who thought they would make the 8.
Heart over head, or something like that...

I'm pretty realistic about us as a team and haven't been confident of making the 8 for years. In saying that, I think our roster is a lot better than our results suggest. It's the best roster we've had in quite a few years imo.

Agree, just hard to explain why they are not having a go at least?

My opinion is there is a huge disconnect between the playing group and the coach.

Our current squad unfortunately would react more positively to a softly-softly, bum-patting coach. The soft as butter style fairy coach like Ivan.
Maguire is too hard for these blokes......hell he would be odds-on to bash nearly all of them to a man if it came to a stink. That sums the current situation up.

Ivan's approach seems to be working for the Panthers.

Chair throwing and other displays of anger do not necessarily assist in getting the message across to players.

The only reason Ivans approach is working is because Gould put a fantastic recruitment and junior development in place..
Des Hassler tore off dressing room doors...how is his team going now he has his major players back...keep up the hate for Madge Paws..eventually you will convince yourself...

 

[Speed2burn]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

When are we going to start chancing our arm a bit more? Run on the last? A short grubber kick near the opposition goal line for Jimmy?


At the start of the year we salivated at the thought of Jimmy the Jet / Laurie steaming onto a Luciano offload. Haven’t seen it once

Are the players scared they’ll cop a spray if they make an error?

 

[DarlingSt]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

When are we going to start chancing our arm a bit more? Run on the last? A short grubber kick near the opposition goal line for Jimmy?


At the start of the year we salivated at the thought of Jimmy the Jet / Laurie steaming onto a Luciano offload. Haven’t seen it once

Are the players scared they’ll cop a spray if they make an error?

short answer: yes

 

[Speed2burn]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

When are we going to start chancing our arm a bit more? Run on the last? A short grubber kick near the opposition goal line for Jimmy?


At the start of the year we salivated at the thought of Jimmy the Jet / Laurie steaming onto a Luciano offload. Haven’t seen it once

Are the players scared they’ll cop a spray if they make an error?

short answer: yes

It seems that way to me aswell

 

[TIGERPOWER]

When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

I think the actual quote was "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"


I think you’re right Avo. But the version I prefer is ..
“Winning isn’t everything, but the will to win is (everything)”

Love this quote. We’ve got a young team with plenty of upside. I think it’s more about how we are losing then actually us losing . They half lost me with that performance against the cowboys, then completely lost me with that capitulation against manly.

 

[hobbo1]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

When are we going to start chancing our arm a bit more? Run on the last? A short grubber kick near the opposition goal line for Jimmy?


At the start of the year we salivated at the thought of Jimmy the Jet / Laurie steaming onto a Luciano offload. Haven’t seen it once

Are the players scared they’ll cop a spray if they make an error?

Agree
I’m over the robotic plays like dying with the ball for a handover..

 

[TIGERPOWER]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

When are we going to start chancing our arm a bit more? Run on the last? A short grubber kick near the opposition goal line for Jimmy?


At the start of the year we salivated at the thought of Jimmy the Jet / Laurie steaming onto a Luciano offload. Haven’t seen it once

Are the players scared they’ll cop a spray if they make an error?

Agree
I’m over the robotic plays like dying with the ball for a handover..

This x 100. We are so robotic no one even supports. Luciano makes a half break, gets his hands free and no one is there in support. Would have been a try.

 

[Speed2burn]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

When are we going to start chancing our arm a bit more? Run on the last? A short grubber kick near the opposition goal line for Jimmy?


At the start of the year we salivated at the thought of Jimmy the Jet / Laurie steaming onto a Luciano offload. Haven’t seen it once

Are the players scared they’ll cop a spray if they make an error?

Agree
I’m over the robotic plays like dying with the ball for a handover..

Don’t forget the Alex Twal 4th tackle hit up ... riveting
Our defence is a shambles and we can barely score a point anyway what’s the worst that could happen?

 

[hobbo1]

As soon as the possession started to even out manly went stuff this and had blokes isolating defenders/quick play the balls/enter tommy turbo and we were cooked.

Right.
So all that above is restricted by a rigid grinding gameplan is it....

I like how you edited out the most important part of my post lol

Yes we play high completion grind football. 4 hit ups and a bomb on last

I like how your ignoring what I quoted.

I know the style of football we play. But.
Your telling me we can’t do quick play the balls, isolate defenders etc because we play a boring style.

I disagree, they are efforts on an individual basis. Nothing to do with the team structure.

When are we going to start chancing our arm a bit more? Run on the last? A short grubber kick near the opposition goal line for Jimmy?


At the start of the year we salivated at the thought of Jimmy the Jet / Laurie steaming onto a Luciano offload. Haven’t seen it once

Are the players scared they’ll cop a spray if they make an error?

Agree
I’m over the robotic plays like dying with the ball for a handover..

Don’t forget the Alex Twal 4th tackle hit up ... riveting
Our defence is a shambles and we can barely score a point anyway what’s the worst that could happen?

I’d rather win 40-38 each week ..at least it would be entertaining.

Usually a plodder takes a hit up on the fourth to attract multiple defenders which creates space either side of the ruck for the strike team ..
But when Tamou the turtle gets put on his back it’s not very effective.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Before the season began, we were predicted to finish towards the bottom of the ladder.

A lot of people thought we'd challenge for the 8, including myself. Our roster isn't as bad as our results suggest.


Our roster IS that bad.
For the last 10 years the same people (mostly) are in denial of this and predicted we would be top 8, often top 4!
It's as unrealistic as Bulldogs fans who thought they would make the 8.
Heart over head, or something like that...

I'm pretty realistic about us as a team and haven't been confident of making the 8 for years. In saying that, I think our roster is a lot better than our results suggest. It's the best roster we've had in quite a few years imo.

Agree, just hard to explain why they are not having a go at least?

My opinion is there is a huge disconnect between the playing group and the coach.

Our current squad unfortunately would react more positively to a softly-softly, bum-patting coach. The soft as butter style fairy coach like Ivan.
Maguire is too hard for these blokes......hell he would be odds-on to bash nearly all of them to a man if it came to a stink. That sums the current situation up.

Ivan's approach seems to be working for the Panthers.

Chair throwing and other displays of anger do not necessarily assist in getting the message across to players.

The only reason Ivans approach is working is because Gould put a fantastic recruitment and junior development in place..
Des Hassler tore off dressing room doors...how is his team going now he has his major players back...keep up the hate for Madge Paws..eventually you will convince yourself...

Ivan's approach had more success at WTs as well TT.

Have you noticed the difference in the football played in our lower grades to our NRL team?

I don't know why we bother writing about marquee signings. It's fanciful really. Even if our offer is similar to another club, don't you think for example a player like Staggs will note Roberts being starved so we can have more of the robotic hit-ups and bomb favoured by Maguire?