Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[watersider]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.

 

[Bigscreentv]

This is the last I will say about this.

Just had the source confirm that Madge has lost the senior players. They wouldn't verify a specific incident, but pretty sure it's referring to Tamou -unfortunately things aren't looking pretty.

I'm not stirring garbage. I wouldn't say it if I wasn't 100% sure on my source.

And how can your source confirm this? If it's true - Madge won't see out the season. We've all seen what happens when a coach loses the dressing room.

I don't buy the fact that Madge is responsible for these nuffies not showing any line speed in defence on a weekly basis. Either they don't care or they're not up to it. Every first grader out there should know how to defend yet our mob consistently stuff it up with great aplomb.

You hearing anything similar to this @AUBURNON80

Haven't heard anything about player/coach issues. Was specifically told that on-field performance is in stark contrast to intensity at training (stating the obvious). But means they are switching on and listening at training, but not translating to game day.

Hope this is the case.

Stange that Roberts looked gassed after 5 mins on the weekend if training intensity is high.

I also don't think it's a cattle issue; when they are in they are on. It's doing it for 80 mins that's the issue. At this rate we will need to score 40 points to win a game.


Hope Im wrong but Roberts looks like he has issues, and they might not be physical. He doesnt look right.

I agree. Not good for him. Hopefully he gets through it as he's such a talent.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.

I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

 

[Bigscreentv]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely? To me our starting positions are all wrong i.e forwards don't work together, backs aren't deep...that's not due to individuals, it's like people don't know their roles.

Happy to be wrong on this one.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?

A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

 

[hobbo1]

This is the last I will say about this.

Just had the source confirm that Madge has lost the senior players. They wouldn't verify a specific incident, but pretty sure it's referring to Tamou -unfortunately things aren't looking pretty.

I'm not stirring garbage. I wouldn't say it if I wasn't 100% sure on my source.

And how can your source confirm this? If it's true - Madge won't see out the season. We've all seen what happens when a coach loses the dressing room.

I don't buy the fact that Madge is responsible for these nuffies not showing any line speed in defence on a weekly basis. Either they don't care or they're not up to it. Every first grader out there should know how to defend yet our mob consistently stuff it up with great aplomb.

You hearing anything similar to this @AUBURNON80

Haven't heard anything about player/coach issues. Was specifically told that on-field performance is in stark contrast to intensity at training (stating the obvious). But means they are switching on and listening at training, but not translating to game day.

Hope this is the case.

Stange that Roberts looked gassed after 5 mins on the weekend if training intensity is high.

I also don't think it's a cattle issue; when they are in they are on. It's doing it for 80 mins that's the issue. At this rate we will need to score 40 points to win a game.


Hope Im wrong but Roberts looks like he has issues, and they might not be physical. He doesnt look right.

Looks hungover to me ..last 2 weeks

 

[dazza65]

the rumour going round is Tamou confronted Madge in dressing room at half time about how wrong the game plan was and they had a blow up, hence why Tamou didnt play any of the 2nd half

Yeah saw that posted on Facebook. Hate these rumours.

I can't see how any sort of plan involved the players not making tackles.

Interesting, none of the main journo's have got on to it, how legit is facebook with this stuff?

Seriously asking if Facebook is legit??????

 

[Speed2burn]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass

 

[TrueTiger]

This is the last I will say about this.

Just had the source confirm that Madge has lost the senior players. They wouldn't verify a specific incident, but pretty sure it's referring to Tamou -unfortunately things aren't looking pretty.

I'm not stirring garbage. I wouldn't say it if I wasn't 100% sure on my source.

And how can your source confirm this? If it's true - Madge won't see out the season. We've all seen what happens when a coach loses the dressing room.

I don't buy the fact that Madge is responsible for these nuffies not showing any line speed in defence on a weekly basis. Either they don't care or they're not up to it. Every first grader out there should know how to defend yet our mob consistently stuff it up with great aplomb.

You hearing anything similar to this @AUBURNON80

Haven't heard anything about player/coach issues. Was specifically told that on-field performance is in stark contrast to intensity at training (stating the obvious). But means they are switching on and listening at training, but not translating to game day.

Hope this is the case.

Stange that Roberts looked gassed after 5 mins on the weekend if training intensity is high.

I also don't think it's a cattle issue; when they are in they are on. It's doing it for 80 mins that's the issue. At this rate we will need to score 40 points to win a game.


Hope Im wrong but Roberts looks like he has issues, and they might not be physical. He doesnt look right.

I agree. Not good for him. Hopefully he gets through it as he's such a talent.

JTJ has talent and has been a rep player,he has had issues that we are all aware of....
BUT look at it from another perspective...JTJ is dynamite with the ball,wanted to come here to make a difference and help the club because they have given him a chance,UNFORTUNATELY he desires to compete BUT he is starved of the ball because we dont give it to him and he has to come looking for it which in turn leaves a space that he should have ran through...there are more problems deeper than the Jet and the coach...some of the more popular players arent earning their pay checks.....
eg...NRL standard players should know how to defend no need for constant coaching of a basic of the game tackling is a major part of the game and is taught at a very young age,,,,poor excuses not acceptable...

 

[Curaeus]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Agree completely. We have to give young Jake Simpkin a go or ultimately we'll lose him. Talented 9's are rare and he looks a good one.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass

No it wasnt that one. It wasnt a forward pass, it was a hospital pass. Liddle passing left to right, stood up, a few slow steps for no purpose, waited, waited, gave it to (I think) Joffa immediately before he got belted.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass


No it wasnt that one. It wasnt a forward pass, it was a hospital pass. Liddle passing left to right, stood up, a few slow steps for no purpose, waited, waited, gave it to (I think) Joffa immediately before he got belted.

Hospital passes ...great way for a 9 to remain friendless..but Liddle can do much better and should know better than to leave a teammate open to getting smashed...

 

[Geo]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass


No it wasnt that one. It wasnt a forward pass, it was a hospital pass. Liddle passing left to right, stood up, a few slow steps for no purpose, waited, waited, gave it to (I think) Joffa immediately before he got belted.

I was thinking about this today..You know what we also miss a 9 that has some semblance of a long kicking game out of dummy half..Jacob never has not sure on Simpkin but haven't seen it in reggies yet..doesn't have to be dominate because as it is now you know a kick is only comming from the halves..

 

[TrueTiger]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass


No it wasnt that one. It wasnt a forward pass, it was a hospital pass. Liddle passing left to right, stood up, a few slow steps for no purpose, waited, waited, gave it to (I think) Joffa immediately before he got belted.

I was thinking about this today..You know what we also miss a 9 that has some semblance of a long kicking game out of dummy half..Jacob never has not sure on Simpkin but haven't seen it in reggies yet..doesn't have to be dominate because as it is now you know a kick is only comming from the halves..

Thats it GEO,,,a ploy,they all think LB or AD are going to kick and low and behold Jacob puts one up unexpectedly and the opposition are left dumbfoundered...a true PLOY,,,you little genius...:+1: :clap:

 

[Speed2burn]

Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass


No it wasnt that one. It wasnt a forward pass, it was a hospital pass. Liddle passing left to right, stood up, a few slow steps for no purpose, waited, waited, gave it to (I think) Joffa immediately before he got belted.

Yeah I must have missed that one, thanks for correcting me haha. We all praised his quick, accurate passing but it all seems to be a distant memory now. Maybe his bulk has slowed down his explosiveness

 

[TigerLouis]

Madge should be held accountable he has made some questionable signings so far including Kepaoa,Roberts,Joey Leilua,Douiehi,Ofahengaue & Tamou who thus far have not been the best acquisitions & the resigning of Brooks for five years & Garner were not good decisions at all.

 

[jirskyr]

the rumour going round is Tamou confronted Madge in dressing room at half time about how wrong the game plan was and they had a blow up, hence why Tamou didnt play any of the 2nd half

Ironic we brought in a leader and allegedly that leader stood up for his players.

Contrast that to what was been reported in the SMH article.

Well, I don't think he's the type to take criticism well. Once again, an old school coach that doesn't work collaboratively. His way or the highway.

Sheens could be tough, remember Simona and that flick pass. But, Sheens was a communicator and could get his message across in a positive manner. I wish he was back.

Ah the day when 30% finals appearances becomes acceptable.

 

[jirskyr]

Bennett, Sheens, Gould, Cleary, Bellamy are good communicators and man managers. I include Morris in this group as well. Communication and man management are so underrated with coaching.

How do we know Madge is not good in these areas?

Saw it on facebook..

Was it legit?

 

[jirskyr]

Bennett, Sheens, Gould, Cleary, Bellamy are good communicators and man managers. I include Morris in this group as well. Communication and man management are so underrated with coaching.

How do we know Madge is not good in these areas?

I'll comment on Morris. The players want to play for him. Even when down on the score board or down on players the Sharks perform. I love that in their team. Morris has been instrumental in their successful junior dev. I think we need to get him at WTs in some capacity.

I would love him in an assistant role with an eye to one day taking the head coach gig.

The Return of Johnny Cronk

 

[jirskyr]

Just had the source confirm that Madge has lost the senior players.

The senior players? BJ, Packer, Mbye? They're all playing terribly. Tamou and Brooks have been ok in my eyes, but plenty are unimpressed.

Maybe there's a reason the senior players have been lost.

It's similar to when a couple of posters were using Reynolds as a source for players being offside with the coach, of course he was.

Well, the source isn't a player.

From what I understand it's not like there's going to be a revolt or anything, it's just that it's not cohesive at the moment due to inconsistencies in communications etc. Some of the older players have questioned things and it wasn't met with open arms. Tbh, it doesn't look like much has worked so far, so questioning the approach is probably reasonable thing to do. Problem is that players weren't really heard out and told to shut it essentially.

Once again, I'm just repeating something I heard. Could be bollocks/biased, but I know the person well and trust them. I'm hoping this can be worked through, however having been involved in teams, these things are often quite difficult to resolve if parties involved are stubborn.

Honestly you keep qualifying your comments, I'm confused. First you couldn't verify your source, then they contacted you and it's 100%, now you are back to saying it could be complete rubbish.