Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TigerVinnie]

There is not one positive about our current form and I'm seriously torn and confused on all of this.
Recruit new coach and players.
Extend, sack or release.
Feels like the club is forever in a quandary, on the road to nowhere.
No coach is good enough. The culture or environment isn't right for the players. The players are consistently unsatisfactory in effort and attitude. We don't have the right leaders. We don't have or can't recruit the right type of players.

Now recent articles about Madge during Souths have surfaced, the whole Seibold white-anting narrative has been entirely replaced by Madge being incompetent at winning, has obsolete methods and poor man management skills.
The same coach we commended during his appointment despite having an inkling of the aforementioned stuff.
I'm seriously over watching players that look clueless at times, and lack spirit and mental toughness.
I'm also seriously over watching the most unimaginative gameplans attempted to be executed, lacking vision, smarts and skill.
We've got Mbye and Packer left from Ivan and now also a number of recruits handpicked by Madge, does this mean we'll be faced with unloading further players. To what extent does it affect the current playing group? There may be problems between coach and players but will it further impact their performance in any way?
There's a number of questions that already have an historical answer in place.
It's been done before and whether its the correct decision or not it shows an unhealthy pattern at the club. The only constant is the club's backing from the fans, who continue to support and stick up for them.
So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again.

Its all exhausting. I mentioned in a previous post, the club needs to answer to the fans and members. CEO, coach and senior players need to front up to a members Q&A where all answers must be transparent and clear; good bad and ugly. They need to be held accountable and explain themselves to the fans and sponsors why they deserve to keep their jobs and let us suffer through this year and year out.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sack another coach how dumb would that be

So your happy to put up with this every week

We've put up with it for 10 seasons. Sacking the coach has clearly not improved things.

I posted on the Forum the day Maguire had signed with WTs as a colleague still had close links to Souths and told me. What I didn't post was his reply when I asked him about what he would be like which I remember well - not the coach for WTs' style of football.

You have a good memory

He was correct.

What is the WT's style of football?

Not tackling? 5th tackle bombs with no pressure?

21 years and 3 times we finished in the top half of the comp. Need a new style.

I do remember we played a very attractive style. WTs may not have won every game but our players played like the Club, their teamates and supporters mattered. Fans of other clubs liked our attractive style.

We haevnt played taht style of footy since Potter.

 

[tbones10]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

There is part of the problem right there, "no defensive structure, nor are we taught it", for goodness sake these are professional footballers and they have no idea how to defend. I don't care if its "sliding", "up and in" or "edging", these blokes can't even number up which is the most basic part of defending. Stats back this up.
BY the way why did you use the word "we" as in "nor are we taught it", just curious.

 

[tiger_one]

"> So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again."

I loved the movie Inception, and am stoked that champion @Lauren has brought the paradoxical illusion of the Penrose staircase into this discussion.
It's much cooler than the dated ever-lasting circle diatribe.
Now if we can maybe create a coaching communication mode of artificial intelligence leading to our players responding with a winning virtual reality system of game management - that would solve all our problems, from the front office down.
Jack Gibson would be proud.

 

[Rugba]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

There is part of the problem right there, "no defensive structure, nor are we taught it", for goodness sake these are professional footballers and they have no idea how to defend. I don't care if its "sliding", "up and in" or "edging", these blokes can't even number up which is the most basic part of defending. Stats back this up.
BY the way why did you use the word "we" as in "nor are we taught it", just curious.

Do you really believe there is no defensive structure not taught - it would be all over the media if that was the case and he would never have one a premiership - don’t listen to people saying so and so said

 

[mike]

There is not one positive about our current form and I'm seriously torn and confused on all of this.
Recruit new coach and players.
Extend, sack or release.
Feels like the club is forever in a quandary, on the road to nowhere.
No coach is good enough. The culture or environment isn't right for the players. The players are consistently unsatisfactory in effort and attitude. We don't have the right leaders. We don't have or can't recruit the right type of players.

Now recent articles about Madge during Souths have surfaced, the whole Seibold white-anting narrative has been entirely replaced by Madge being incompetent at winning, has obsolete methods and poor man management skills.
The same coach we commended during his appointment despite having an inkling of the aforementioned stuff.
I'm seriously over watching players that look clueless at times, and lack spirit and mental toughness.
I'm also seriously over watching the most unimaginative gameplans attempted to be executed, lacking vision, smarts and skill.
We've got Mbye and Packer left from Ivan and now also a number of recruits handpicked by Madge, does this mean we'll be faced with unloading further players. To what extent does it affect the current playing group? There may be problems between coach and players but will it further impact their performance in any way?
There's a number of questions that already have an historical answer in place.
It's been done before and whether its the correct decision or not it shows an unhealthy pattern at the club. The only constant is the club's backing from the fans, who continue to support and stick up for them.
So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again.

Its all exhausting. I mentioned in a previous post, the club needs to answer to the fans and members. CEO, coach and senior players need to front up to a members Q&A where all answers must be transparent and clear; good bad and ugly. They need to be held accountable and explain themselves to the fans and sponsors why they deserve to keep their jobs and let us suffer through this year and year out.

A Q & A won’t get you anywhere. Some idiot would ask Pascoe about his haircut. That’s about the level you’d get. The real questions would never get asked.

 

[TigerTownSFS]

Ok hear me out. 2 of the best coaches of the past 30 years are off contract at the end of 2021. Club throws everything we’ve got at Bellamy or Bennet to come for 3 years just as our salary cap is sorted and the lower grades stacked with talent. We all know Bennet was close to coming before Madge and he would not be shy about taking the gig for money he could demand, plus he can’t recruit!

 

[cktiger]

If Maguire is sacked than Brooks should go with him. His eagerness to stay at the club and not show any hunger for growth shows a lack of confidence or desire. His comfortable chair should be pulled out from underneath him for his sake and ours.

Brooks is one of the best halfback in the game, only Cleary is obviously better. Brooks keeps engaging the line and when he goes to pass there is no one there, everyone is just watching and he has to run himself. Anyone that thinks replacing Brooks with anyone but Cleary has no idea about the game and is just looking for a scapegoat.

We have the worst fullback in the comp. One day he may be the best but he is not at the moment.

Our other backs have not worked out as planned, we all had hope that Tommy, AJ, JTJ and BJ would be a threatening back line but for varying reasons they haven't.

Our forwards have been poor, none of them are making good metres.

Average running meters per game (middle forwards)
Payne Haas 163
David Klemmer 160
James Fisher-Harris 141
Thomas Burgess 149
Josh Aloiai 147
Paul Vaughn 141
Josh Papalii 141

Zane Musgrove 106
Alex Twal 104
Joe Ofahengaue 103
James Tamou 78
Stefano Utoikamanu 76
Thomas Mikale 59
Source: https://www.nrl.com/stats

Brooks, AD, Simpkin and Liddle are not the problem, they are doing their jobs. Laurie and Stefano are doing as well as can be expected. Luch is great.

The others are not showing the effort required to compete in the NRL.

Good to see we have the ‘second best’ half in the competition to lead us around.
How’s that working out for us?
PS The bloke who played halfback against us yesterday doesn’t agree with you... or the one the week before.

Brooks had no support yesterday. He competed hard, had a try assist and created several other opportunities, made 26 tackles, got some turnovers, nearly kicked a 40-20. DCE just gave the ball to Turbo then followed him. Do you watch other teams and see the impact that Paps, Tedesco, Turbo, Ponga, Latrell, Gutherson, Brimson, Edwards and even Kennedy have on a game?

Do you see the difference???

Yes- I see the difference between everyone you mentioned and Brooks.
He doesn’t bring anything like they bring to a game.
Just accept the truth.

 

[TigerVinnie]

There is not one positive about our current form and I'm seriously torn and confused on all of this.
Recruit new coach and players.
Extend, sack or release.
Feels like the club is forever in a quandary, on the road to nowhere.
No coach is good enough. The culture or environment isn't right for the players. The players are consistently unsatisfactory in effort and attitude. We don't have the right leaders. We don't have or can't recruit the right type of players.

Now recent articles about Madge during Souths have surfaced, the whole Seibold white-anting narrative has been entirely replaced by Madge being incompetent at winning, has obsolete methods and poor man management skills.
The same coach we commended during his appointment despite having an inkling of the aforementioned stuff.
I'm seriously over watching players that look clueless at times, and lack spirit and mental toughness.
I'm also seriously over watching the most unimaginative gameplans attempted to be executed, lacking vision, smarts and skill.
We've got Mbye and Packer left from Ivan and now also a number of recruits handpicked by Madge, does this mean we'll be faced with unloading further players. To what extent does it affect the current playing group? There may be problems between coach and players but will it further impact their performance in any way?
There's a number of questions that already have an historical answer in place.
It's been done before and whether its the correct decision or not it shows an unhealthy pattern at the club. The only constant is the club's backing from the fans, who continue to support and stick up for them.
So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again.

Its all exhausting. I mentioned in a previous post, the club needs to answer to the fans and members. CEO, coach and senior players need to front up to a members Q&A where all answers must be transparent and clear; good bad and ugly. They need to be held accountable and explain themselves to the fans and sponsors why they deserve to keep their jobs and let us suffer through this year and year out.

A Q & A won’t get you anywhere. Some idiot would ask Pascoe about his haircut. That’s about the level you’d get. The real questions would never get asked.

Dont doubt that, but they need to have the floor open - no pre set questions. However they decide to do it - all im saying is we need complete transparency (good or bad) as to what exactly the issues are. If they cannot provide a clear, straight forward answer then they're clearly not the right person for the job.

 

[Bigscreentv]

honestly, bennet doesn't really coach anymore he player manages. His assistants do the bulk of the work


For a bit of a reminder:

https://www.change.org/p/newcastle-knights-rugby-league-club-sack-wayne-bennett-immediately

And another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/no-helmets-required/2019/nov/12/great-britain-lions-coach-wayne-bennett-new-zealand

Not saying Bennett is necessarily a bad coach, but his record is more mixed than people like to think. And the very complaints made about Madge are complaints that have previously been made about Wayne.

The Tigers need to be very careful what they do here. If we sack Madge and the next one turns out to have no luck either, I fear for our club's survival. It is a very risky gamble.

But Bennett has adapted his coaching for 2021. The backline plays Souths put on are reminiscent of the Sheens' era. Credit to him and you have to admit his pre and post match interviews are interesting.

How much is adapted coaching and how much is simply having better players?

Better coach.

Good coaches build strong teams, effective game plans that work for the players they have and improve the players they work with, which attracts better players. It's not one or the other.

Our game strategy/approach is dated. We've recruited players who aren't capable of playing our way, which means they're set up to fail. Then, when they fail, they're told to work harder. You can see it in them...they are mentally defeated. Just watch the body language of the players at half-time in the sheds when Madge talks.

If i was in his position, what would I do? I'd:

- Eat some humble pie and change the game plan

- Make our forward pack more mobile, i'd encourage playing wider of the ruck in the first 4 tackles - for god's sake Garner needs to start. He's our best edge forward (excluding Luciano). The rest of our backrowers are converted props. I'd even think about playing Mbye as a lock to get an extra ballplayer in there. I know it's strange, but we need to change things up, stop trucking it up and get some quicker play the balls.

- The defence-first game plan clearly isn't working, so he should stop talking about defence and how we need to build off of it. I know it's important but the messaging doesn't seem to be working, and if our attack was better yesterday we would have scored more points early and maybe confidence would have risen a bit. I feel like he focuses so much on defence that our attack is neglected.

- I'd drop James Roberts...he has potential, but he killed us yesterday and there needs to be consequences for playing poorly for all players, not just some. Also, if he stays in the team it probably sends the wrong message to reserve-graders who are doing well.

 

[hank37w]

I'm a fan of Madge but wouldn't be against it at this point. Worst start we've ever had to a season.

The thing which bothers me the most is we never appear to have a gameplan suited to the team, or a strong or the right team in the first place. Some players look out of place/position or like they aren't up to NRL level.
Our defence is horrendous and the team plays some dumb footy, and I don't mean that as a personal dig at the players but we always manage to look incompetent and chaotic when any pressure comes along.

That's what I really liked about Sheens before he lost the plot with some of his selections, he always seemed to come up with a game plan to suit the team we were playing.

As much as I had faith in Madge as a coach, I just don't see him doing that, or if he is, the team is disregarding his instructions and as far as him being a coach that places importance on defensive structures, unfortunately I can't see that either.

 

[Furious1]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

There is part of the problem right there, "no defensive structure, nor are we taught it", for goodness sake these are professional footballers and they have no idea how to defend. I don't care if its "sliding", "up and in" or "edging", these blokes can't even number up which is the most basic part of defending. Stats back this up.
BY the way why did you use the word "**we**" as in "nor are we taught it", just curious.

We as in Wests Tigers.

 

[Furious1]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

There is part of the problem right there, "no defensive structure, nor are we taught it", for goodness sake these are professional footballers and they have no idea how to defend. I don't care if its "sliding", "up and in" or "edging", these blokes can't even number up which is the most basic part of defending. Stats back this up.
BY the way why did you use the word "we" as in "nor are we taught it", just curious.

Do you really believe there is no defensive structure not taught - it would be all over the media if that was the case and he would never have one a premiership - don’t listen to people saying so and so said

Believe what you want. I'm not naming players. Clearly the defensive results speak for themselves.

 

[bigsiro]

TBH I’m more irate about the management than the coach.

 

[Telltails]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

There is part of the problem right there, "no defensive structure, nor are we taught it", for goodness sake these are professional footballers and they have no idea how to defend. I don't care if its "sliding", "up and in" or "edging", these blokes can't even number up which is the most basic part of defending. Stats back this up.
BY the way why did you use the word "we" as in "nor are we taught it", just curious.

Do you really believe there is no defensive structure not taught - it would be all over the media if that was the case and he would never have one a premiership - don’t listen to people saying so and so said

Believe what you want. I'm not naming players. Clearly the defensive results speak for themselves.

Every club's defensive structure is being tested with the new rules. Very few teams have not been victim to a 30+ defeat and or have had to score more than thirty to win.

 

[KevB]

If Maguire is sacked than Brooks should go with him. His eagerness to stay at the club and not show any hunger for growth shows a lack of confidence or desire. His comfortable chair should be pulled out from underneath him for his sake and ours.

Brooks is one of the best halfback in the game, only Cleary is obviously better. Brooks keeps engaging the line and when he goes to pass there is no one there, everyone is just watching and he has to run himself. Anyone that thinks replacing Brooks with anyone but Cleary has no idea about the game and is just looking for a scapegoat.

We have the worst fullback in the comp. One day he may be the best but he is not at the moment.

Our other backs have not worked out as planned, we all had hope that Tommy, AJ, JTJ and BJ would be a threatening back line but for varying reasons they haven't.

Our forwards have been poor, none of them are making good metres.

Average running meters per game (middle forwards)
Payne Haas 163
David Klemmer 160
James Fisher-Harris 141
Thomas Burgess 149
Josh Aloiai 147
Paul Vaughn 141
Josh Papalii 141

Zane Musgrove 106
Alex Twal 104
Joe Ofahengaue 103
James Tamou 78
Stefano Utoikamanu 76
Thomas Mikale 59
Source: https://www.nrl.com/stats

Brooks, AD, Simpkin and Liddle are not the problem, they are doing their jobs. Laurie and Stefano are doing as well as can be expected. Luch is great.

The others are not showing the effort required to compete in the NRL.

Good to see we have the ‘second best’ half in the competition to lead us around.
How’s that working out for us?
PS The bloke who played halfback against us yesterday doesn’t agree with you... or the one the week before.

Brooks had no support yesterday. He competed hard, had a try assist and created several other opportunities, made 26 tackles, got some turnovers, nearly kicked a 40-20. DCE just gave the ball to Turbo then followed him. Do you watch other teams and see the impact that Paps, Tedesco, Turbo, Ponga, Latrell, Gutherson, Brimson, Edwards and even Kennedy have on a game?

Do you see the difference???

I tend to agree with you mate, probably a good halfback but not the second best in the NRL currently. I thought he was one of our best yesterday in a poor side with no support when he run on our left, and when he went right he ran at an angle then straightened up and then would pass to Doueihi who would just ran across field at snails pace cramping the centre and wing.

 

[Blake]

If Maguire is sacked than Brooks should go with him. His eagerness to stay at the club and not show any hunger for growth shows a lack of confidence or desire. His comfortable chair should be pulled out from underneath him for his sake and ours.

Brooks is one of the best halfback in the game, only Cleary is obviously better. Brooks keeps engaging the line and when he goes to pass there is no one there, everyone is just watching and he has to run himself. Anyone that thinks replacing Brooks with anyone but Cleary has no idea about the game and is just looking for a scapegoat.

We have the worst fullback in the comp. One day he may be the best but he is not at the moment.

Our other backs have not worked out as planned, we all had hope that Tommy, AJ, JTJ and BJ would be a threatening back line but for varying reasons they haven't.

Our forwards have been poor, none of them are making good metres.

Average running meters per game (middle forwards)
Payne Haas 163
David Klemmer 160
James Fisher-Harris 141
Thomas Burgess 149
Josh Aloiai 147
Paul Vaughn 141
Josh Papalii 141

Zane Musgrove 106
Alex Twal 104
Joe Ofahengaue 103
James Tamou 78
Stefano Utoikamanu 76
Thomas Mikale 59
Source: https://www.nrl.com/stats

Brooks, AD, Simpkin and Liddle are not the problem, they are doing their jobs. Laurie and Stefano are doing as well as can be expected. Luch is great.

The others are not showing the effort required to compete in the NRL.

Good to see we have the ‘second best’ half in the competition to lead us around.
How’s that working out for us?
PS The bloke who played halfback against us yesterday doesn’t agree with you... or the one the week before.

Brooks had no support yesterday. He competed hard, had a try assist and created several other opportunities, made 26 tackles, got some turnovers, nearly kicked a 40-20. DCE just gave the ball to Turbo then followed him. Do you watch other teams and see the impact that Paps, Tedesco, Turbo, Ponga, Latrell, Gutherson, Brimson, Edwards and even Kennedy have on a game?

Do you see the difference???

I tend to agree with you mate, probably a good halfback but not the second best in the NRL currently. I thought he was one of our best yesterday in a poor side with no support when he run on our left, and when he went right he ran at an angle then straightened up and then would pass to Doueihi who would just ran across field at snails pace cramping the centre and wing.

Nathan Cleary is the standout halfback in the comp at the moment then its a big drop to a bunch of OK ones.

 

[Bigscreentv]

If Maguire is sacked than Brooks should go with him. His eagerness to stay at the club and not show any hunger for growth shows a lack of confidence or desire. His comfortable chair should be pulled out from underneath him for his sake and ours.

Brooks is one of the best halfback in the game, only Cleary is obviously better. Brooks keeps engaging the line and when he goes to pass there is no one there, everyone is just watching and he has to run himself. Anyone that thinks replacing Brooks with anyone but Cleary has no idea about the game and is just looking for a scapegoat.

We have the worst fullback in the comp. One day he may be the best but he is not at the moment.

Our other backs have not worked out as planned, we all had hope that Tommy, AJ, JTJ and BJ would be a threatening back line but for varying reasons they haven't.

Our forwards have been poor, none of them are making good metres.

Average running meters per game (middle forwards)
Payne Haas 163
David Klemmer 160
James Fisher-Harris 141
Thomas Burgess 149
Josh Aloiai 147
Paul Vaughn 141
Josh Papalii 141

Zane Musgrove 106
Alex Twal 104
Joe Ofahengaue 103
James Tamou 78
Stefano Utoikamanu 76
Thomas Mikale 59
Source: https://www.nrl.com/stats

Brooks, AD, Simpkin and Liddle are not the problem, they are doing their jobs. Laurie and Stefano are doing as well as can be expected. Luch is great.

The others are not showing the effort required to compete in the NRL.

Good to see we have the ‘second best’ half in the competition to lead us around.
How’s that working out for us?
PS The bloke who played halfback against us yesterday doesn’t agree with you... or the one the week before.

Brooks had no support yesterday. He competed hard, had a try assist and created several other opportunities, made 26 tackles, got some turnovers, nearly kicked a 40-20. DCE just gave the ball to Turbo then followed him. Do you watch other teams and see the impact that Paps, Tedesco, Turbo, Ponga, Latrell, Gutherson, Brimson, Edwards and even Kennedy have on a game?

Do you see the difference???

I tend to agree with you mate, probably a good halfback but not the second best in the NRL currently. I thought he was one of our best yesterday in a poor side with no support when he run on our left, and when he went right he ran at an angle then straightened up and then would pass to Doueihi who would just ran across field at snails pace cramping the centre and wing.

Nathan Cleary is the standout halfback in the comp at the moment then its a big drop to a bunch of OK ones.

I agree. After our trial games I thought "thank god, finally some early ball for the outside backs" but haven't seen much of that from Doueihi in the last few weeks.

 

[happy_tiger]

If Maguire is sacked than Brooks should go with him. His eagerness to stay at the club and not show any hunger for growth shows a lack of confidence or desire. His comfortable chair should be pulled out from underneath him for his sake and ours.

Brooks is one of the best halfback in the game, only Cleary is obviously better. Brooks keeps engaging the line and when he goes to pass there is no one there, everyone is just watching and he has to run himself. Anyone that thinks replacing Brooks with anyone but Cleary has no idea about the game and is just looking for a scapegoat.

We have the worst fullback in the comp. One day he may be the best but he is not at the moment.

Our other backs have not worked out as planned, we all had hope that Tommy, AJ, JTJ and BJ would be a threatening back line but for varying reasons they haven't.

Our forwards have been poor, none of them are making good metres.

Average running meters per game (middle forwards)
Payne Haas 163
David Klemmer 160
James Fisher-Harris 141
Thomas Burgess 149
Josh Aloiai 147
Paul Vaughn 141
Josh Papalii 141

Zane Musgrove 106
Alex Twal 104
Joe Ofahengaue 103
James Tamou 78
Stefano Utoikamanu 76
Thomas Mikale 59
Source: https://www.nrl.com/stats

Brooks, AD, Simpkin and Liddle are not the problem, they are doing their jobs. Laurie and Stefano are doing as well as can be expected. Luch is great.

The others are not showing the effort required to compete in the NRL.

Good to see we have the ‘second best’ half in the competition to lead us around.
How’s that working out for us?
PS The bloke who played halfback against us yesterday doesn’t agree with you... or the one the week before.

Brooks had no support yesterday. He competed hard, had a try assist and created several other opportunities, made 26 tackles, got some turnovers, nearly kicked a 40-20. DCE just gave the ball to Turbo then followed him. Do you watch other teams and see the impact that Paps, Tedesco, Turbo, Ponga, Latrell, Gutherson, Brimson, Edwards and even Kennedy have on a game?

Do you see the difference???

I tend to agree with you mate, probably a good halfback but not the second best in the NRL currently. I thought he was one of our best yesterday in a poor side with no support when he run on our left, and when he went right he ran at an angle then straightened up and then would pass to Doueihi who would just ran across field at snails pace cramping the centre and wing.

Nathan Cleary is the standout halfback in the comp at the moment then its a big drop to a bunch of OK ones.

And then their is the ones under that and then Brooks and co behind them

And what I really don't get ..if Brooks is that damn good why aren't forwards rushing to play at teh WT's

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

when we signed Madge I was excited a tough coach who would put some mental toughness in to us. I was worried about the souths time given all the good players they had Burgess Inglis Reynolds Luke etc was it just right place right time for Madge. Also know some allied health professionals who used to be around souths and they told me some Madge stories.
I just want Madge gone now and I know it is Sack another coach I feel bad about that but what are we going to do I think the game has passed Madge by.
I'm worried about who is available for us

John Morris
Can he attract talent, possibly he has played for us and seems a good bloke he might get us playing footy again and maybe we could sign a tobu Rudolph or something

Shane Flannagan
The peps bother me but I think the guy can coach and probably communicate better than Madge

Geoff Toovey
Maybe, has the game passed him by ?

Walker Brothers
Sign them and maybe have a shot at Walker the halfback

Eddie Jones
Do you roll the dice and put a john Morris as assistant coach I know a bit out there but never know