Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TIGERPOWER]

Hooper saying we should get the Wayne Bennett & Adam Reynolds double. Doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

 

[TillLindemann]

Hooper saying we should get the Wayne Bennett & Adam Reynolds double. Doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

Wayne. Can. Not. Coach. Weak. Rosters.

 

[hodgo]

for the record I'm against sacking madge atm, however, if they do Flanagan is the pick IMO. I have listened a lot to his commentary and read a few articles he has written and he sounds extremely knowledgeable.

 

[TigerVinnie]

There is not one positive about our current form and I'm seriously torn and confused on all of this.
Recruit new coach and players.
Extend, sack or release.
Feels like the club is forever in a quandary, on the road to nowhere.
No coach is good enough. The culture or environment isn't right for the players. The players are consistently unsatisfactory in effort and attitude. We don't have the right leaders. We don't have or can't recruit the right type of players.

Now recent articles about Madge during Souths have surfaced, the whole Seibold white-anting narrative has been entirely replaced by Madge being incompetent at winning, has obsolete methods and poor man management skills.
The same coach we commended during his appointment despite having an inkling of the aforementioned stuff.
I'm seriously over watching players that look clueless at times, and lack spirit and mental toughness.
I'm also seriously over watching the most unimaginative gameplans attempted to be executed, lacking vision, smarts and skill.
We've got Mbye and Packer left from Ivan and now also a number of recruits handpicked by Madge, does this mean we'll be faced with unloading further players. To what extent does it affect the current playing group? There may be problems between coach and players but will it further impact their performance in any way?
There's a number of questions that already have an historical answer in place.
It's been done before and whether its the correct decision or not it shows an unhealthy pattern at the club. The only constant is the club's backing from the fans, who continue to support and stick up for them.
So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again.

Its all exhausting. I mentioned in a previous post, the club needs to answer to the fans and members. CEO, coach and senior players need to front up to a members Q&A where all answers must be transparent and clear; good bad and ugly. They need to be held accountable and explain themselves to the fans and sponsors why they deserve to keep their jobs and let us suffer through this year and year out.

A Q & A won’t get you anywhere. Some idiot would ask Pascoe about his haircut. That’s about the level you’d get. The real questions would never get asked.

Dont doubt that, but they need to have the floor open - no pre set questions. However they decide to do it - all im saying is we need complete transparency (good or bad) as to what exactly the issues are. If they cannot provide a clear, straight forward answer then they're clearly not the right person for the job.

Do you really think basically all top squad players and key personnel should be exposed to warts and all questioning from members (most if not all lacking any relevant experience) and what do you expect to achieve from it?

I said CEO, Coach and senior players (captain/s)?

I expect transparency. Not saying this is solving our issue I'm saying this is a platform to get a proper explanation from the club about what's been done to move forward.

As a paying member I should have the right to know why the club I invest money into every year is constantly failing and who is accountable for these results. Hearing "we are working hard" doesn't cut it with the amount of mediocracy we out out on the field, however getting a clearer insight into the clubs background will help keep the faith when deciding to renew my membership or not.

Just my thought anyway

 

[Muffstar]

This is difficult.

We have what 7 coaches in 9 or 10 years. Madge inherited some pretty average long term signings which makes it harder to recruit some marque players.

Some of the performances by the players leaves a lot to be desired. If it was a normal work place you would give them 3 warnings and then they are moved on. You either embrace the vision of the club and work together or you look for something else.

The players get pretty decent money to perform and they should perform accordingly.

I don't know what the answer is but hopefully as a club they can work through this.

 

[tony soprano]

Hooper saying we should get the Wayne Bennett & Adam Reynolds double. Doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

Wayne wants to go qld

 

[izotope]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-gallen-column-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-harden-up/e9202b17-9eb3-461e-8e9f-a221978b2d9d
Food for thought.

Pretty accurate except for the sacking 5 coaches

I believe Potter wasnt extended, Cleary was granted a release

 

[WT2K]

Hooper saying we should get the Wayne Bennett & Adam Reynolds double. Doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

Wayne wants to go qld

Wayne will go where the $$$ is

 

[Tim Sheens]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

There is part of the problem right there, "no defensive structure, nor are we taught it", for goodness sake these are professional footballers and they have no idea how to defend. I don't care if its "sliding", "up and in" or "edging", these blokes can't even number up which is the most basic part of defending. Stats back this up.
BY the way why did you use the word "we" as in "nor are we taught it", just curious.

Do you really believe there is no defensive structure not taught - it would be all over the media if that was the case and he would never have one a premiership - don’t listen to people saying so and so said

Believe what you want. I'm not naming players. Clearly the defensive results speak for themselves.

Every club's defensive structure is being tested with the new rules. Very few teams have not been victim to a 30+ defeat and or have had to score more than thirty to win.

Maybe, but our WT are averaging 32 points over seven matches to start the season and finished last season similarly.

The last team we defeated that is going any good in this competition was this weeks opponents the dragons and that was so long ago to be pre-Covid when they were atrocious.

 

[Sco77y]

I thought Galen's article was not too bad

Gallen contradicted himself about ten times...

For example:

**Every decent team has one thing in common: they back their defence. They're tough and resilient without the ball.**

Yet Madge's teams (for his past five years / not just us) have been poor defensively.

Gallen also waffles on about scoring points is our culture, neglecting to look at our points FOR under Madge is third worst in the comp and shows we have no attacking structure.

So...under Madge we have the third worst attack AND the worst defense AND a total record under 37% AND his last two years with Souths were under 37%.

I am tired of people defending Madge on all this...there is only one common denominator in all of these things / from last two years at Souths also...him.

Then again, there is another common denominator - Wests Tigers post Sheens era. There have been 5 coaches including Madge during this time, are the other four coaches common denominators too? Is it as simple as having chosen the wrong coach constantly for the last decade? It hasn't worked the last 5 times, but let's try it again.

It's a bit of a Holy Grail situation imo.

 

[TYGA]

Change the thread from sack Madge to Back Madge. Malcontents back to Ron Massey Cup and bring in our younger players. Announce full rebuild and take the time to fix this. We are light years away cut the nonsense we are near a finals team and then battle away and get better.

 

[TillLindemann]

there is only one common denominator in all of these things / from last two years at Souths also…him.

Fair go mate, you can't just pick the two bad years at Souths and ignore all the excellent years.

Maybe aside from Bellamy (can't remember his earlier years) there is not a coach going around who hasn't had a period of a few rough seasons. That includes Wayne Bennett, who had a woeful record at Newcastle.

 

[tigerbalm]

there is only one common denominator in all of these things / from last two years at Souths also…him.

Fair go mate, you can't just pick the two bad years at Souths and ignore all the excellent years.

Maybe aside from Bellamy (can't remember his earlier years) there is not a coach going around who hasn't had a period of a few rough seasons. That includes Wayne Bennett, who had a woeful record at Newcastle.

Robo has had a good run with the Chooks. I dont think he was there for the spoon years.

 

[Rugba]

Just as a discussion point - I personally think the dud players affecting the cap is a cop-out reason for teams / coaches not performing

Basically every coach has duds they want to move on and those that can do it or just deal with it are successful
Wayne moved a few on at south’s
Des cleared the decks at manly
Griffin has got rid of a few
Cowboys/warriors have moved on players already since season began

Even Ivan “the bus “ cleary has moved on many players paying significant freight for other clubs to play panthers players

 

[pawsandclaws1]

there is only one common denominator in all of these things / from last two years at Souths also…him.

Fair go mate, you can't just pick the two bad years at Souths and ignore all the excellent years.

Maybe aside from Bellamy (can't remember his earlier years) there is not a coach going around who hasn't had a period of a few rough seasons. That includes Wayne Bennett, who had a woeful record at Newcastle.

We've so many good young players that it is important we get this right. Maguire has had three years to get the performance on an upward trajectory. That does not mean winning every game but demonstrating our defence, attack and competitiveness has improved. Our performances are on a downward trajectory and I wonder how bad the situation needs to become before his supporters realise it is finished.

 

[tigertuff]

I cant think of any player in this squad who has improved in the last 2 years. The structures in attack are woeful and bordering on park football. It appears no one knows what he next bloke is doing and the ball just gets passed to someone in the hope they do something. The guys cant complete the fundamentals right and the defensive structures especially on our goal line is not up to standard. People keep blaming different individuals in the team (namely Brooks) but he has no clear attacking options as there is never a structured play on that fools or sucks in defensive lines. Since he arrived at the club he has stated he needs to change the culture so he goes and buys Jimmy the jet and Bj Leilua. If you really wanted to change the culture i cant think of 2 worse guys to buy. Anyway sorry for my rant - just had to get it off my chest.

 

[Bigscreentv]

I cant think of any player in this squad who has improved in the last 2 years. The structures in attack are woeful and bordering on park football. It appears no one knows what he next bloke is doing and the ball just gets passed to someone in the hope they do something. The guys cant complete the fundamentals right and the defensive structures especially on our goal line is not up to standard. People keep blaming different individuals in the team (namely Brooks) but he has no clear attacking options as there is never a structured play on that fools or sucks in defensive lines. Since he arrived at the club he has stated he needs to change the culture so he goes and buys Jimmy the jet and Bj Leilua. If you really wanted to change the culture i cant think of 2 worse guys to buy. Anyway sorry for my rant - just had to get it off my chest.

Agree - he doesn't seem to be signing players with character, then wonders why we lack discipline and ability to tough it out.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There is not one positive about our current form and I'm seriously torn and confused on all of this.
Recruit new coach and players.
Extend, sack or release.
Feels like the club is forever in a quandary, on the road to nowhere.
No coach is good enough. The culture or environment isn't right for the players. The players are consistently unsatisfactory in effort and attitude. We don't have the right leaders. We don't have or can't recruit the right type of players.

Now recent articles about Madge during Souths have surfaced, the whole Seibold white-anting narrative has been entirely replaced by Madge being incompetent at winning, has obsolete methods and poor man management skills.
The same coach we commended during his appointment despite having an inkling of the aforementioned stuff.
I'm seriously over watching players that look clueless at times, and lack spirit and mental toughness.
I'm also seriously over watching the most unimaginative gameplans attempted to be executed, lacking vision, smarts and skill.
We've got Mbye and Packer left from Ivan and now also a number of recruits handpicked by Madge, does this mean we'll be faced with unloading further players. To what extent does it affect the current playing group? There may be problems between coach and players but will it further impact their performance in any way?
There's a number of questions that already have an historical answer in place.
It's been done before and whether its the correct decision or not it shows an unhealthy pattern at the club. The only constant is the club's backing from the fans, who continue to support and stick up for them.
So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again.

Its all exhausting. I mentioned in a previous post, the club needs to answer to the fans and members. CEO, coach and senior players need to front up to a members Q&A where all answers must be transparent and clear; good bad and ugly. They need to be held accountable and explain themselves to the fans and sponsors why they deserve to keep their jobs and let us suffer through this year and year out.

A Q & A won’t get you anywhere. Some idiot would ask Pascoe about his haircut. That’s about the level you’d get. The real questions would never get asked.

Dont doubt that, but they need to have the floor open - no pre set questions. However they decide to do it - all im saying is we need complete transparency (good or bad) as to what exactly the issues are. If they cannot provide a clear, straight forward answer then they're clearly not the right person for the job.

Do you really think basically all top squad players and key personnel should be exposed to warts and all questioning from members (most if not all lacking any relevant experience) and what do you expect to achieve from it?

I said CEO, Coach and senior players (captain/s)?

I expect transparency. Not saying this is solving our issue I'm saying this is a platform to get a proper explanation from the club about what's been done to move forward.

As a paying member I should have the right to know why the club I invest money into every year is constantly failing and who is accountable for these results. Hearing "we are working hard" doesn't cut it with the amount of mediocracy we out out on the field, however getting a clearer insight into the clubs background will help keep the faith when deciding to renew my membership or not.

Just my thought anyway

That you did and I must have lost some of that between those after your first post.

Not being a member this year, mainly as a protest to the Parramatta games after a couple of paying for that footy graveyard, I no longer have financial skin in the game other than game day tickets and Kayo at home. Still, myself, I don't see it as good for anyone to be exposed to that situation, even if limited, but hey, each to their own as long as not abusive.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Hooper saying we should get the Wayne Bennett & Adam Reynolds double. Doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

Wayne. Can. Not. Coach. Weak. Rosters.

Or ... Anyone .... else!

 

[hobbo1]

I cant think of any player in this squad who has improved in the last 2 years. The structures in attack are woeful and bordering on park football. It appears no one knows what he next bloke is doing and the ball just gets passed to someone in the hope they do something. The guys cant complete the fundamentals right and the defensive structures especially on our goal line is not up to standard. People keep blaming different individuals in the team (namely Brooks) but he has no clear attacking options as there is never a structured play on that fools or sucks in defensive lines. Since he arrived at the club he has stated he needs to change the culture so he goes and buys Jimmy the jet and Bj Leilua. If you really wanted to change the culture i cant think of 2 worse guys to buy. Anyway sorry for my rant - just had to get it off my chest.

Agree - he doesn't seem to be signing players with character, then wonders why we lack discipline and ability to tough it out.

They’re all sooky pretty boys .. even Easter island head is soft ..
When it gets hard they hit jog mode..
We have no enforcers at all ..
Coach either coaches to there abilities or goes ...