Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TillLindemann]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

 

[Telltails]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

 

[TillLindemann]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

I agree!

 

[avocadoontoast]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

 

[TillLindemann]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

When we can spend Packer, Mbye and BJ's money on some non-plodders to play with our promising youth, we'll be in the box seat.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

When we can spend Packer, Mbye and BJ's money on some non-plodders to play with our promising youth, we'll be in the box seat.

Honestly, I don't think it will make a difference. Our team hasn't shown a willingness to compete.

 

[TrueTiger]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

But Avo they are part of the problem,eg AJ flipper hands,Talau wasnt performing well at the start,Mickaele mixture of good and bad,AD just fitting into 5/8 roleand gelling in the spine,Laurie brilliant potential but has defensive floors at the back,Garner great runner of lines worked well on Brooks side ...

They are all still learning and the experienced players must let them find their way and support them,atm things arent fully clicking,but when it does huge improvement will be noted....

Why can this team nearly put a top 4 team like Souths to the sword nearly one week and get hammered by a mid table team the next....

ITS A LEARNING CURVE THAT DOESNT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.....
cheers.....

 

[JC99]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

Initially they'll go better then the same old same old will happen that's happened to every coach we've had the mast decade. The culture of laziness and unaccountability gets to everyone because there's been no change to any front office staff or the club as a whole

 

[avocadoontoast]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

But Avo they are part of the problem,eg AJ flipper hands,Talau wasnt performing well at the start,Mickaele mixture of good and bad,AD just fitting into 5/8 roleand gelling in the spine,Laurie brilliant potential but has defensive floors at the back,Garner great runner of lines worked well on Brooks side ...

They are all still learning and the experienced players must let them find their way and support them,atm things arent fully clicking,but when it does huge improvement will be noted....

Why can this team nearly put a top 4 team like Souths to the sword nearly one week and get hammered by a mid table team the next....

ITS A LEARNING CURVE THAT DOESNT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.....
cheers.....

It's just constant excuses... I don't care about the errors. Why are they not competing? Why does the teams attitude suck? That's what i'd like to know.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

Initially they'll go better then the same old same old will happen that's happened to every coach we've had the mast decade. The culture of laziness and unaccountability gets to everyone because there's been no change to any front office staff or the club as a whole

Madge cannot communicate to players effectively and his coaching strategy is not suited to the modern game.

 

[JC99]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

Initially they'll go better then the same old same old will happen that's happened to every coach we've had the mast decade. The culture of laziness and unaccountability gets to everyone because there's been no change to any front office staff or the club as a whole

Madge cannot communicate to players effectively and his coaching strategy is not suited to the modern game.

Never said he doesn't have his faults but there's no point of changing coaches before we fix the rot at the club otherwise in two and a bit years it'll be the same conversation.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

Initially they'll go better then the same old same old will happen that's happened to every coach we've had the mast decade. The culture of laziness and unaccountability gets to everyone because there's been no change to any front office staff or the club as a whole

Madge cannot communicate to players effectively and his coaching strategy is not suited to the modern game.

Never said he doesn't have his faults but there's no point of changing coaches before we fix the rot at the club otherwise in two and a bit years it'll be the same conversation.

No point keeping a coach that can't get the players playing to their ability. That's his job.

 

[TrueTiger]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

Initially they'll go better then the same old same old will happen that's happened to every coach we've had the mast decade. The culture of laziness and unaccountability gets to everyone because there's been no change to any front office staff or the club as a whole

Madge cannot communicate to players effectively and his coaching strategy is not suited to the modern game.

Never said he doesn't have his faults but there's no point of changing coaches before we fix the rot at the club otherwise in two and a bit years it'll be the same conversation.

No point keeping a coach that can't get the players playing to their ability. That's his job.

Tim Sheens won a premiership,coached well and still got sacked....

Internal problems may be the key factor in all the coaches being sacked..

Potter....JT...different personalities but both had the team at heart....

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

I agree on Morris. He is highly regarded by the playing group at the Sharks. I wouldn't write off his ability to attract good players. He is also very highly regarded for the success of the Sharks' pathways system. This latter point is highly relevant to WTs.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

Initially they'll go better then the same old same old will happen that's happened to every coach we've had the mast decade. The culture of laziness and unaccountability gets to everyone because there's been no change to any front office staff or the club as a whole

How many iterations of the boys' club have been invented to talk down the playing group?

Get a people manager such as Sheens, Payten, Morris, Bennett to support them.

 

[TrueTiger]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

I agree on Morris. He is highly regarded by the playing group at the Sharks. I wouldn't write off his ability to attract good players. He also is very highly regarded for the success of the Sharks' pathways system.

Madge is highly spoken of because of the junior pathways he is developing.....but ....obviously the NRL squad and its performances are first and foremost in most peoples opinion...build the culture and team from the ground up....thats what makes the Panthers so successful so coaches can come in and coach highly skilled juniors as well as long term experienced players...Nathan Cleary is one great example....
to be completely honest if Nathan was her where do you think Luke would be ....not here on a very large salary.....

 

[jirskyr]

how do we improve our senior playing group?

Juniors coming through and taking on those roles. Nofo is one of our senior players now. Maybe he won't be in the future.

I think we just have to keep getting juniors and giving them opportunities.

I suppose you also need good coaching but I reckon they get that. Madge's problem to me is a lack of inspiration when it comes to team selection and game plans. I think the way we are building though is good enough. We shouldn't be going after big dollar marquee players because we end up getting second or third raters that we pay marquee dollars toll and then we go backwards.

You also try and buy a few new ones. James Tamou is the right type of purchase but he's only 1. The other "experienced" players, as you note, are either under-performing Tigers juniors or risk-benefit type signings like BJ and Jimmy Jet, not proven "leaders of men".

 

[JC99]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Look at our spine - is there a more inexperienced one? Who is our one key player? We still only attract players that were not wanted by there clubs - Joe O, Tamou BJ and JTJ all moved on from their clubs. Do you honestly think if we sack Maguire and bring in John Morris as some have suggested - we will miraculously become a destination club for players that are also wanted by other clubs ? I honestly thought it was a coach/money issue when JT was coach but now seeing the struggles that two respected coaches have had in attracting quality players it seems a much bigger problem than sacking the coach and only confirms the perception that we cant get it right- anyway that is my view only - FWIW

I don't think Morris will make us a destination club, I think we're years away from that. Morris however will get us playing to a style more suited to the modern game. I also think the playing group will respond better to his style of coaching.

Initially they'll go better then the same old same old will happen that's happened to every coach we've had the mast decade. The culture of laziness and unaccountability gets to everyone because there's been no change to any front office staff or the club as a whole

How many iterations of the boys' club have been invented to talk down the playing group?

Get a people manager such as Sheens, Payten, Morris, Bennett to support them.

Get rid of anyone who's been at the club for more than 3-4 years and start over!

 

[Newtown]

The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

But Avo they are part of the problem,eg AJ flipper hands,Talau wasnt performing well at the start,Mickaele mixture of good and bad,AD just fitting into 5/8 roleand gelling in the spine,Laurie brilliant potential but has defensive floors at the back,Garner great runner of lines worked well on Brooks side ...

They are all still learning and the experienced players must let them find their way and support them,atm things arent fully clicking,but when it does huge improvement will be noted....

Why can this team nearly put a top 4 team like Souths to the sword nearly one week and get hammered by a mid table team the next....

ITS A LEARNING CURVE THAT DOESNT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.....
cheers.....

TT, maybe it is really about confidence. The team really hs to believe in itself.