Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Tim Sheens]

do you think Douhie will hang around if he can't play 6 in the next year or so ?

If he’s under contract, then yes.

But that’s not to say he won’t be playing 6 in the

I agree pick him where it fits the team but if he wants to play 6 and say a cowboys come with a good offer and a 6 position then he may kick stones and request a release. He seems to see.himself as a 6 not a centre

Then he needs to improve his game play as a 6.

agree he is a better centre than a 6 especially with Hastings coming next year.
Hope he stays and makes a fist of centre

He missed 6 tackles yesterday

Wouldn’t it be great if he had a big scary human next to him wearing number 11 or 12 who could help in defence. Jamie Soward hardly ever made a tackle because he had Beau Scott. Our halves are left to fend for themselves.

Huh, Doueihi would look like a big scary human in appearance to the comparatively rather demure Beau Scott and as a relative giant of a half, Adam should require little or no help whatsoever.

 

[BZN]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

Usually after my little tantie my mum and dad whould wipe my nose and give me what I wanted . I hope management take note

Noted Mr Moses.

:joy: :joy: :joy:

 

[BZN]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

Imagine taking others opinions on a coach so seriously that you have to resort to this sort of stuff. Pretty tragic ?

Less tragic than the fixation some people have. Meds must be in short supply.

Meds? So now you’re saying it’s a mental health issue. You’re a moron mate.

Yep. You're right. But a moron with a more balanced view of what might be happening within the club.

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[BZN]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

I spent a long time in leadership roles in schools, I saw some really intelligent people who were terrible teachers. I worked out that sometimes when they would do something, especially in maths that they would complete a step automatically in their head that most people explicitly had to think about. When it came time to teaching that skill they would skip that step and confuse kids.

I think this is probably the case for some of the really good footballers too and when they go to coaching they are unable to get their message across as it was so instinctive and automatic for them

Yep. The best teachers are those who break down steps in a process. They then apply the process to see the results and identify what the learners havent picked up on so they can remedy that problem.
One other very important thing they need is empathy with their learners so the learner trusts them enough to admit when they don't understand and ask for help.

:+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[BZN]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

Mikey,

The forum is a two way sounding board. We're not all going to agree but views can be exchanged in a respectful manner.

Respectful manner being the operative words @pawsandclaws1 and you have always been respectful.
Another poster with similar views to yourself in reply to my respectful question suggested I should think about putting him on my foe list, [which I dont have anyone on] which was a gross over reaction imo.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

do you think Douhie will hang around if he can't play 6 in the next year or so ?

If he’s under contract, then yes.

But that’s not to say he won’t be playing 6 in the

I agree pick him where it fits the team but if he wants to play 6 and say a cowboys come with a good offer and a 6 position then he may kick stones and request a release. He seems to see.himself as a 6 not a centre

Then he needs to improve his game play as a 6.

agree he is a better centre than a 6 especially with Hastings coming next year.
Hope he stays and makes a fist of centre

He missed 6 tackles yesterday

Wouldn’t it be great if he had a big scary human next to him wearing number 11 or 12 who could help in defence. Jamie Soward hardly ever made a tackle because he had Beau Scott. Our halves are left to fend for themselves.

Huh, Doueihi would look like a big scary human in appearance to the comparatively rather demure Beau Scott and as a relative giant of a half, Adam should require little or no help whatsoever.

Issue is he needs alot of support as he is a massive liability in defence. Doesn’t mark up & doesn’t hit with his shoulder. Brooks has him all over defense wise & he has alot of work to correct his approach to defence if he is going to be an effective 5/8th or center.

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

Mikey,

The forum is a two way sounding board. We're not all going to agree but views can be exchanged in a respectful manner.

I agree. I think I have been respectful in my posts but will respond accordingly when people aren't.

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

You missed the point again, nobody knows other people on the forum, so they have no idea what they do or how they carry on at work or evryday.
Madge is by choice having his life and job in the shop window, so anybody can see how he performs, there are no video's of us at work to judge us on, Madge can be judged because his work is there for all to see.
If by saying he has not achieved his mantra of fixing the defence, taking a 20 points against a game team, to now a 30 points against a game team in 3 years, is criticism you are mistaken.
If by saying he hasn't landed one high profile or sought after player, or hasn't got us in to the 8, not criticism, but facts, so by a KPI or any other gauge, that is a fail

I don't think I missed the point at all. We are all in the public eye in this forum - we all chose to be by signing up. Madge and the club are in a wider forum - that's the only difference.
I have no problem with people expressing their opinions. I do have a problem with the way some people choose to do it and what I consider an obsessive way of doing it without any consideration of other factors or real knowledge of what the problem could be (I'm an in no way saying I do know).

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

You missed the point again, nobody knows other people on the forum, so they have no idea what they do or how they carry on at work or evryday.
Madge is by choice having his life and job in the shop window, so anybody can see how he performs, there are no video's of us at work to judge us on, Madge can be judged because his work is there for all to see.
If by saying he has not achieved his mantra of fixing the defence, taking a 20 points against a game team, to now a 30 points against a game team in 3 years, is criticism you are mistaken.
If by saying he hasn't landed one high profile or sought after player, or hasn't got us in to the 8, not criticism, but facts, so by a KPI or any other gauge, that is a fail

In some cases - Bellamy, Robinson, Dessie (Manly) - you need to take into account the base from which they started compared to the base Madge had when he started with us. They had solid, higher level squads - we didn't. It took Wickie a few years to get the Raiders going (after destroying the Rorters).
The problem is we have been out of the finals for so long no-one has the patience of another year of waiting (even though we know in our hearts that is the case). The club has had to basically pull the squad apart by getting rid of the dead wood and disenfranchised and rebuild it. I think most people would recognise how important that has been.
I think we have turned a corner and there is the beginning of a solid base. The forwards are young but improving (albeit inconsistently). The back issues are now starting to be addressed. The signs are promising.
My previous post about people behaving like kids is based what I see as the constantly negative reactionary posts some people make laying the blame on one person. There is no constructive criticism and it got to me the other day.

 

[mike]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

You missed the point again, nobody knows other people on the forum, so they have no idea what they do or how they carry on at work or evryday.
Madge is by choice having his life and job in the shop window, so anybody can see how he performs, there are no video's of us at work to judge us on, Madge can be judged because his work is there for all to see.
If by saying he has not achieved his mantra of fixing the defence, taking a 20 points against a game team, to now a 30 points against a game team in 3 years, is criticism you are mistaken.
If by saying he hasn't landed one high profile or sought after player, or hasn't got us in to the 8, not criticism, but facts, so by a KPI or any other gauge, that is a fail

In some cases - Bellamy, Robinson, Dessie (Manly) - you need to take into account the base from which they started compared to the base Madge had when he started with us. They had solid, higher level squads - we didn't. It took Wickie a few years to get the Raiders going (after destroying the Rorters).
The problem is we have been out of the finals for so long no-one has the patience of another year of waiting (even though we know in our hearts that is the case). The club has had to basically pull the squad apart by getting rid of the dead wood and disenfranchised and rebuild it. I think most people would recognise how important that has been.
I think we have turned a corner and there is the beginning of a solid base. The forwards are young but improving (albeit inconsistently). The back issues are now starting to be addressed. The signs are promising.
My previous post about people behaving like kids is based what I see as the constantly negative reactionary posts some people make laying the blame on one person. There is no constructive criticism and it got to me the other day.

Good post. I also think we have turned the corner, at least in the way we are recruiting. It hasn’t shown on the field yet (we’ll maybe in glimpses) but it will as we keep building a better roster.

 

[BZN]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

You missed the point again, nobody knows other people on the forum, so they have no idea what they do or how they carry on at work or evryday.
Madge is by choice having his life and job in the shop window, so anybody can see how he performs, there are no video's of us at work to judge us on, Madge can be judged because his work is there for all to see.
If by saying he has not achieved his mantra of fixing the defence, taking a 20 points against a game team, to now a 30 points against a game team in 3 years, is criticism you are mistaken.
If by saying he hasn't landed one high profile or sought after player, or hasn't got us in to the 8, not criticism, but facts, so by a KPI or any other gauge, that is a fail

In some cases - Bellamy, Robinson, Dessie (Manly) - you need to take into account the base from which they started compared to the base Madge had when he started with us. They had solid, higher level squads - we didn't. It took Wickie a few years to get the Raiders going (after destroying the Rorters).
The problem is we have been out of the finals for so long no-one has the patience of another year of waiting (even though we know in our hearts that is the case). The club has had to basically pull the squad apart by getting rid of the dead wood and disenfranchised and rebuild it. I think most people would recognise how important that has been.
I think we have turned a corner and there is the beginning of a solid base. The forwards are young but improving (albeit inconsistently). The back issues are now starting to be addressed. The signs are promising.
My previous post about people behaving like kids is based what I see as the constantly negative reactionary posts some people make laying the blame on one person. There is no constructive criticism and it got to me the other day.

Good post. I also think we have turned the corner, at least in the way we are recruiting. It hasn’t shown on the field yet (we’ll maybe in glimpses) but it will as we keep building a better roster.

Agree with you :100: @mike re @mikey post.
Good common sense and respectful posts from You as well, as always :+1: .
Also @pawsandclaws1
@TrueTiger
@TigerWest
@twentyforty
Congratulations to all you guys.

 

[sleeve]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

I am concerned with the coaching ,and selections. i was reticent to have a go at Madge,. His selections are baffling, his game plan lacks imagination. He has a quality young forward pack, thanks to Hartigan, but few have gone ahead.
Either himself or his staff lack the skills to improve this side.
People like Desi, Rickie, Bellamy,Flannagan, and Robinson , would have grown these players. Something is missing at the Tigers.

I know whats missing....experienced,hardened,NRL players right through the squad.....Our squad is very young and learning each week,they cant be origin players after 15 rounds....

I hope that is the only problem Truetiger.

 

[851]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

You missed the point again, nobody knows other people on the forum, so they have no idea what they do or how they carry on at work or evryday.
Madge is by choice having his life and job in the shop window, so anybody can see how he performs, there are no video's of us at work to judge us on, Madge can be judged because his work is there for all to see.
If by saying he has not achieved his mantra of fixing the defence, taking a 20 points against a game team, to now a 30 points against a game team in 3 years, is criticism you are mistaken.
If by saying he hasn't landed one high profile or sought after player, or hasn't got us in to the 8, not criticism, but facts, so by a KPI or any other gauge, that is a fail

In some cases - Bellamy, Robinson, Dessie (Manly) - you need to take into account the base from which they started compared to the base Madge had when he started with us. They had solid, higher level squads - we didn't. It took Wickie a few years to get the Raiders going (after destroying the Rorters).
The problem is we have been out of the finals for so long no-one has the patience of another year of waiting (even though we know in our hearts that is the case). The club has had to basically pull the squad apart by getting rid of the dead wood and disenfranchised and rebuild it. I think most people would recognise how important that has been.
I think we have turned a corner and there is the beginning of a solid base. The forwards are young but improving (albeit inconsistently). The back issues are now starting to be addressed. The signs are promising.
My previous post about people behaving like kids is based what I see as the constantly negative reactionary posts some people make laying the blame on one person. There is no constructive criticism and it got to me the other day.

I know our club was hamstrung when Madge arrived, that was addressed, but he hasn't improved the one thing he said he came to fix, the defence, it has gotten over 10 points a game worse.
Madge hasn't got us a finals spot like he said he would year one, he had a side he considered needed changing, but the changes he has made have us looking no better in regards to defence and consistency, his accountability mantra is also flawed, does not apply to everyone, and that is a rookie coach mistake

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

You missed the point again, nobody knows other people on the forum, so they have no idea what they do or how they carry on at work or evryday.
Madge is by choice having his life and job in the shop window, so anybody can see how he performs, there are no video's of us at work to judge us on, Madge can be judged because his work is there for all to see.
If by saying he has not achieved his mantra of fixing the defence, taking a 20 points against a game team, to now a 30 points against a game team in 3 years, is criticism you are mistaken.
If by saying he hasn't landed one high profile or sought after player, or hasn't got us in to the 8, not criticism, but facts, so by a KPI or any other gauge, that is a fail

In some cases - Bellamy, Robinson, Dessie (Manly) - you need to take into account the base from which they started compared to the base Madge had when he started with us. They had solid, higher level squads - we didn't. It took Wickie a few years to get the Raiders going (after destroying the Rorters).
The problem is we have been out of the finals for so long no-one has the patience of another year of waiting (even though we know in our hearts that is the case). The club has had to basically pull the squad apart by getting rid of the dead wood and disenfranchised and rebuild it. I think most people would recognise how important that has been.
I think we have turned a corner and there is the beginning of a solid base. The forwards are young but improving (albeit inconsistently). The back issues are now starting to be addressed. The signs are promising.
My previous post about people behaving like kids is based what I see as the constantly negative reactionary posts some people make laying the blame on one person. There is no constructive criticism and it got to me the other day.

I know our club was hamstrung when Madge arrived, that was addressed, but he hasn't improved the one thing he said he came to fix, the defence, it has gotten over 10 points a game worse.
Madge hasn't got us a finals spot like he said he would year one, he had a side he considered needed changing, but the changes he has made have us looking no better in regards to defence and consistency, his accountability mantra is also flawed, does not apply to everyone, and that is a rookie coach mistake

No argument there are ongoing problems and sometimes seeming worsening of things but does it all lie at the feet of the coach? That is where I feel people are very unfair; the problem lies within the whole club - from players through to the top - not one person.

 

[earl]

That is where I feel people are very unfair; the problem lies within the whole club - from players through to the top - not one person.

The coach should get judged on his coaching. The problem is that it's hard to judge because we don't know everything going on at the club.

I definitely don't get the impression that Madge is the key factor that needs changing for success to come. Look at our team and Parra or Melbourne on paper. Then add to that the officiating which seems to favor the top teams. We aren't traveling too poorly under the circumstances.

 

[mikey]

That is where I feel people are very unfair; the problem lies within the whole club - from players through to the top - not one person.

The coach should get judged on his coaching. The problem is that it's hard to judge because we don't know everything going on at the club.

I definitely don't get the impression that Madge is the key factor that needs changing for success to come. Look at our team and Parra or Melbourne on paper. Then add to that the officiating which seems to favor the top teams. We aren't traveling too poorly under the circumstances.

100% agree.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Blaming the coach for a decade of failure is really clutching at straws. Teams have to be built from the ground up you can’t recruit your way out of dramas. Big name players in Sydney will always sign with winning teams Roosters/Rabbits/Eels. You can get them if you pay overs and screw the cap again.

Titans, Knights are current examples. You also can’t train and select better teams to win if the talent is not at the level of the opposition in particular against the top 5 sides.

We will get flogged virtually every game against Panthers, Storm, Eels, Roosters, Rabbits. Mark it down remember it and don’t blame the coach as it is obvious. We will compete against most other sides.

The club is starting to invest properly in its football department finally and the answer is replace the coach. It’s fantasy stuff it won’t change anything but likely make things worse.

The new narrative, don't blame the coach for the defeats but give him the kudos for the wins. If you want to establish a culture of mediocrity let's go with this initiative.

Yep, better to bring in a bloke who was kicked out of here plus a few other clubs, is 70 yo, hasn't been involved in the game in Australia for 10 years? You don't see anything wrong with this?
Madge is our man to sort the crap out. We are not ready to compete against the powerhouses yet, but we are getting there.

Excellent posts from Yourself @TigerWest and @TrueTiger, with plenty of common sense and no personal attacks.

Sheens was the coach of WTs that won a premiership the second year of his tenure?

Nothing more needs to be written.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

That is where I feel people are very unfair; the problem lies within the whole club - from players through to the top - not one person.

The coach should get judged on his coaching. The problem is that it's hard to judge because we don't know everything going on at the club.

I definitely don't get the impression that Madge is the key factor that needs changing for success to come. Look at our team and Parra or Melbourne on paper. Then add to that the officiating which seems to favor the top teams. We aren't traveling too poorly under the circumstances.

He is being judged. His coaching has been not good. We need a change.

 

[TigerWest]

Blaming the coach for a decade of failure is really clutching at straws. Teams have to be built from the ground up you can’t recruit your way out of dramas. Big name players in Sydney will always sign with winning teams Roosters/Rabbits/Eels. You can get them if you pay overs and screw the cap again.

Titans, Knights are current examples. You also can’t train and select better teams to win if the talent is not at the level of the opposition in particular against the top 5 sides.

We will get flogged virtually every game against Panthers, Storm, Eels, Roosters, Rabbits. Mark it down remember it and don’t blame the coach as it is obvious. We will compete against most other sides.

The club is starting to invest properly in its football department finally and the answer is replace the coach. It’s fantasy stuff it won’t change anything but likely make things worse.

The new narrative, don't blame the coach for the defeats but give him the kudos for the wins. If you want to establish a culture of mediocrity let's go with this initiative.

Yep, better to bring in a bloke who was kicked out of here plus a few other clubs, is 70 yo, hasn't been involved in the game in Australia for 10 years? You don't see anything wrong with this?
Madge is our man to sort the crap out. We are not ready to compete against the powerhouses yet, but we are getting there.

Excellent posts from Yourself @TigerWest and @TrueTiger, with plenty of common sense and no personal attacks.

Sheens was the coach of WTs that won a premiership the second year of his tenure?

Nothing more needs to be written.

16 years ago, a lot has changed in the game since then?

 

[TigerWest]

That is where I feel people are very unfair; the problem lies within the whole club - from players through to the top - not one person.

The coach should get judged on his coaching. The problem is that it's hard to judge because we don't know everything going on at the club.

I definitely don't get the impression that Madge is the key factor that needs changing for success to come. Look at our team and Parra or Melbourne on paper. Then add to that the officiating which seems to favor the top teams. We aren't traveling too poorly under the circumstances.

He is being judged. His coaching has been not good. We need a change.

He is being judged, just a couple don't like him.