Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TigerWest]

If you are a competitor and you want to win wouldn't you get dirty at blokes playing like they don't give a rat's? I think it would be far more concerning if they weren't bickering at least it demonstrates that some dont think it's ok.

I have belief in our playing group. To me it looks as though they're playing without confidence. A breath of fresh air from an old friend of the Club in Tim Sheens will work wonders. Just having the father figure around to advise, have a few chats and make suggestion will be beneficial.

Mate you have got him as the second coming - the pressure is on Sheens - the saviour of all saviours. I'm expecting miraculous turnaround when he arrives.

His style of football was WTs. We've gone away from it. Time we reclaimed our identity as a team that throws the ball around . We've got great potential in the lower grades and if anyone can make the most of it, it is Sheens.


Sheens could not get a coaching position in the NRL after we sacked him so he went to the UK as a coach.Moving forward he cant get a job there as one either (poor results).
He needs to be kept as far away from coaching as possible,it is a good idea to use him in the background with developing pathways but not in a coaching capacity

Yeah our current coaching staff are doing awesome why would you use a bloke with more experience than Bennett. **Madge and co could be reporting to sheens**

But there not, you need to let it go.

They will be let go first

All good, as long as you don’t get upset about it.

 

[hobbo1]

Who are the good CEO’s out there..

List

Storm Justin Rodski
Broncos Dave Donaghy
Roosters Joe Kelly
Parra Jim Sarantinos
Newcastle Matt Gidley
Wests Justin Pascoe
Gold Coast Steve Mitchell
NQC Jeff Reibel
Dogs Aaron Warburton
Warriors Cameron George
Penrith Brian Fletcher
Souths Blake Solly
Manly Steve Humphries
Cronulla Dino Mezatesta
Canberra Don Furner
Saints Ryan Webb

Fire away .....

Bring back the Humph ?

 

[TigerWest]

The issue at the Tigers is culture and attitude.

We attract the wrong player in general from year 1.

This is a hard job fir the bext 2 or so more years.

Madge has the strength to see this through to get us to change.


Yep. Totally agree. The roster needs to change, not the coach.

And it may need to happen a few times, before they get it right?

 

[mike]

The issue at the Tigers is culture and attitude.

We attract the wrong player in general from year 1.

This is a hard job fir the bext 2 or so more years.

Madge has the strength to see this through to get us to change.


Yep. Totally agree. The roster needs to change, not the coach.

And it may need to happen a few times, before they get it right?

Maybe. We need to get this poisonous culture out of the club where so called professionals come to the club and just fake it (I'm looking at you Mbye). Do the minimal amount needed and get paid for it. We need men, not mouths.

 

[happy_tiger]

Who are the good CEO’s out there..

List

Storm Justin Rodski
Broncos Dave Donaghy
Roosters Joe Kelly
Parra Jim Sarantinos
Newcastle Matt Gidley
Wests Justin Pascoe
Gold Coast Steve Mitchell
NQC Jeff Reibel
Dogs Aaron Warburton
Warriors Cameron George
Penrith Brian Fletcher
Souths Blake Solly
Manly Steve Humphries
Cronulla Dino Mezatesta
Canberra Don Furner
Saints Ryan Webb

Fire away .....

Bring back the Humph ?

Humpty to you thanks .....

 

[Lauren]

Maguire calling out the playing squad and questioning their manhood could be a much bigger issue than a throw away line.

To me this is the first time Maguire has criticised his players in this way.

All the talk of losing the dressing room will start to come out now. He has been overly patient with this lot, praising them and supporting them.

What has changed?

Maybe what has changed is the guy has finally woken up to what most of already know. These players arent responding to him and they are not putting in the efforts required to play first grade.

Players tank/play poorly to put pressure on the coach. Coach finally wakes up to them not wanting him to be the coach.

This wont end well.

The one thing I've always found extremely difficult in our history of sacking coaches is that it feels like a nasty and bitter divorce - with the supporter base being the kids, hoping for the best future for everyone involved.
Through the dividing of assets, we often lose out(talented players) and somehow end up worse off than previously, meanwhile we've been neglected during the whole experience.

We've(the fans) been pretty good with handling failures and setbacks but the fact the team has somewhat adopted a losing culture seems to suggest its the club's management actually impairing/preventing the bounceback required to finally quash it.
There was mention of players looking lost and tentative during our first month of footy, same goes with the attacking and defensive structures but the organisation as a whole seem uncompromised in sorting it out.
It looks a lot like self sabotage and no one wants to take the reins.
I'm frigging over it, the whole NRL supporter base probably is as well and soon it will be the NRL governing body if it continues down this path.
How hard is it to do your own job? That goes for everyone in the whole club. It's incompetence of the highest order.

 

[TrueTiger]

The issue at the Tigers is culture and attitude.

We attract the wrong player in general from year 1.

This is a hard job fir the bext 2 or so more years.

Madge has the strength to see this through to get us to change.


Yep. Totally agree. The roster needs to change, not the coach.

And it may need to happen a few times, before they get it right?


Maybe. We need to get this poisonous culture out of the club where so called professionals come to the club and just fake it (I'm looking at you Mbye). Do the minimal amount needed and get paid for it. We need men, not mouths.

I have said it many times Mike,the culture in our club has been festering for years and Madge is trying to get rid of it and develope a winning one....unfortunately he has a job ahead of him and as much as he is trying people want him sacked because the soft players cant respond to hard work ethics...so do we keep blaming Madge or the players he thought would be strong enough to become a strong winning unit ?...and I dont think some of the players have much between the ears if they cant get the basics of the game right...learn to tackle,pass,cut out stupid penalties and mark up in defense...simple really if you have the heart to do it...

 

[TYGA]

I reckon Madge will walk away

I hope so, the club don't look like they are game to pull the trigger, we have a 2 week break, something has to give

If Madge couldn't do it...

Hopefully the next guy can.

We've been burning through coaches for years. No issues have been addressed.

If Madge can’t get it done we are toast. If people can’t see that they must be blind to the reality of our footy club. It’s management has been for years. Sheens is a wise move he understands grass roots footy. We have no experience in player identification and development any more. The days of multiple good tigers young players are finished. Many of the good young players were poached.

We should have a pipeline of young talent in our catchment it’s embarrassing we are so bad and have to recruit and pay too dollar.

Madge said in the presser the other night that a lot of things at the club and around the club such as pathways are all going in the right directions and the first grade team does not reflect that.

To me, it sounds like everything within the club is going well - COE, lower grades, pathways, sponsorship, community stuff, even the cap is getting back to a good spot... it's just the first grade team is the only thing struggling.

We need a review of the FG team desperately. We all do this on here every week but the powers that be need to bust out the red pen and make some harsh decisions and have a strategic plan how our team can be competitive

Waiting 5 years for our youth to develope is a slow burn. In theory, it's great but we aren't going to to be stoked with 14, 15th place finishes every year.

I agree but when you get pathways right you are talking about 16-19 year olds. It won’t filter through until 3 years. It has to be done and it looks like they are moving in the right direction.
Sheens has to look at the coaching structure right through to juniors It seems like younger players are not ready and are learning on the job. Penrith juniors come straight in and looks ready from day one.

 

[PJ_]

I just read sterlo saying Sheens is going to be Head of Football performance. Is that true or is it, as I read on here, pathways related?
I can't find the announcement of his signing.

 

[WT46]

I just read sterlo saying Sheens is going to be Head of Football performance. Is that true or is it, as I read on here, pathways related?
I can't find the announcement of his signing.

There you go

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/05/wests-tigers-appoint-tim-sheens-as-head-of-football-performance/

 

[GCfan]

Who are the good CEO’s out there..

Good question

Is the CEO’s primary function to manage the books or manage a football side?
I know it’s not simply one or the other but I would have thought the commercial side was the bigger focus

 

[twentyforty]

I just read sterlo saying Sheens is going to be Head of Football performance. Is that true or is it, as I read on here, pathways related?
I can't find the announcement of his signing.

There you go

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/05/wests-tigers-appoint-tim-sheens-as-head-of-football-performance/

"Sheens, who remains the longest-serving coach in Wests Tigers history and guided the club to its maiden Premiership in 2005, will take up the newly-created role aimed at supporting pathway development and planning, recruitment, football administration, club culture and ensuring sustainability in all aspects of the organisation."

The buck stops with Tim. His word is final, regardless of boards decisions?

 

[TigerWest]

I just read sterlo saying Sheens is going to be Head of Football performance. Is that true or is it, as I read on here, pathways related?
I can't find the announcement of his signing.

There you go

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/05/wests-tigers-appoint-tim-sheens-as-head-of-football-performance/



"Sheens, who remains the longest-serving coach in Wests Tigers history and guided the club to its maiden Premiership in 2005, will take up the newly-created role aimed at supporting pathway development and planning, recruitment, football administration, club culture and ensuring sustainability in all aspects of the organisation."

**The buck stops with Tim. His word is final, regardless of boards decisions**?

I doubt they gave him the club?

 

[jirskyr]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

Because I have eyes

WOW, Ok.:eyes:

Watch the games, look at the structures in place. It's diabolical. Why does he use Tamou for only 25 minutes - if that's all he can do dont play him at all? Why are we so passive in defence? Why do we have zero flair in attack?

Funny, i don’t think attack is our problem. I feel that our attack has looked better in recent times since Brooks has found a bit more form. If we could tackle we would win some footy games. Defence has and continues to be our biggest issue

I think our attack is pretty dreadful. It's 5 hit ups and bomb. There's no structure, just occasional pieces of good play from individuals.

Well interestingly, the last two years under Madge Tigers are averaging more points per game than any year since 2012. And in fact 2020 points scored per game was the highest since 2010.

Might not look great but they do score points.

But measuring anything from 2020 onwards is basically giving a false positive ...wouldn't you agree ??

You mean because of the blow-outs? Tigers are hardly involved in the positive side of any blowouts so maybe not.

But the only way to do that is to all clubs points scored during last few years and see if the average trend is up, by the same degree as Tigers. I'm not going to spend the time doing that; I already had the points-for stats to hand.

 

[jirskyr]

I just read sterlo saying Sheens is going to be Head of Football performance. Is that true or is it, as I read on here, pathways related?
I can't find the announcement of his signing.

There you go

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/05/wests-tigers-appoint-tim-sheens-as-head-of-football-performance/



"Sheens, who remains the longest-serving coach in Wests Tigers history and guided the club to its maiden Premiership in 2005, will take up the newly-created role aimed at supporting pathway development and planning, recruitment, football administration, club culture and ensuring sustainability in all aspects of the organisation."

The buck stops with Tim. His word is final, regardless of boards decisions?

No I think he gives advice in a broad range of subjects without being the ultimate boss of any of them.

 

[PJ_]

I just read sterlo saying Sheens is going to be Head of Football performance. Is that true or is it, as I read on here, pathways related?
I can't find the announcement of his signing.

There you go

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/05/wests-tigers-appoint-tim-sheens-as-head-of-football-performance/

Thanks

 

[PJ_]

I just read sterlo saying Sheens is going to be Head of Football performance. Is that true or is it, as I read on here, pathways related?
I can't find the announcement of his signing.

There you go

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/06/05/wests-tigers-appoint-tim-sheens-as-head-of-football-performance/



"Sheens, who remains the longest-serving coach in Wests Tigers history and guided the club to its maiden Premiership in 2005, will take up the newly-created role aimed at supporting pathway development and planning, recruitment, football administration, club culture and **ensuring sustainability in all aspects of the organisation."**

The buck stops with Tim. His word is final, regardless of boards decisions?

No I think he gives advice in a broad range of subjects without being the ultimate boss of any of them.

Yeah. It's quite ambiguous. He either supports all area with advice, or he supports it all by being in charge.

 

[PJ_]

“Sheens, who remains the longest-serving coach in Wests Tigers history and guided the club to its maiden Premiership in 2005, will take up the newly-created role aimed at supporting pathway development and planning, recruitment, football administration, club culture and **ensuring sustainability in all aspects of the organisation.”**

In bold, reads like he's the man.

 

[851]

I reckon Madge will walk away

I hope so, the club don't look like they are game to pull the trigger, we have a 2 week break, something has to give

If Madge couldn't do it...

Hopefully the next guy can.

We've been burning through coaches for years. No issues have been addressed.

That is what we have to hope, Madge has had more than enough time to get the team to show some improvement, which they haven't, also to attract some good players, which he hasn't.

 

[jrtiger]

Tim Sheens is not the messiah many of you claim him to be. yes he understands Wests Tigers and its DNA, but he's not coming to fix the first grade side. he can offer Madge a few ideas and be a sounding board, but he's here to futureproof the organisation and longevity of our pathways. he has very little to do with our first grade side, if at all.

this is not Mal Meninga at the Titans, nor is it Gus at the Warriors or Panthers. to anyone that thinks he's here to tell Madge what to do, think again. given the respect Madge has for Sheens then no doubt he will certainly ask him for guidance here and there, but he's not going to be a Director of Football or work directly above Madge and oversee the operations of the first grade side. if Madge is sacked, which is possible, and they want to move Sheens into a role that effectively oversees and mentors a rookie coach, then that's another thing entirely, but for now he's working within our junior ranks.