Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[pawsandclaws1]

Well our systems seem to suck..so I hope they don't get use to it..

Maybe the systems are good but the players suck.....

Maybe the players suck because of the systems lol

Would that be because they may not be used to the NRL system yet because they are young ? just asking..lol...

I was just playing and extending the line of thought.

To be honest my problem with Madge is his inability to adjust. I believe he needs a roster to adjust to his suit his coaching style rather than adjusting his coaching style to suit his roster.

Surely a coach has to come up with a style to suit the players strengths not the other way around. He has shown he is not going to change by chasing more bash and barge props like Thompson. How many props does he need in this joint. I think we need mobile ball playing backrowers and centres, not more props. The game has gone past his methods.

Spot on. His use of Brooks is a case in point. Cleary allowed him to play to his strength and the results are there for everyone to see. Why cannot Maguire see this? Is it that he does not have the weapons in his armoury or is it arrogance?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Hence a long slow painful rebuild is on the way

Only another 10 years to go.

If at all. They’ll find ways of cocking it up along the way. They always do.

Your optimism is infectious.

I call as I see it, without bias.

I hate to inform you but you are, by definition, biased. All fans are.

Not really, if the clubs doing well I’m complimentary, if it’s a dumpster fire (like it is at present) I’m not.

You don't get it.

There’s someone in this conversation that doesn’t get it, and it’s not me.

No it's definitely you. You don't get what bias is. You cannot possibly have an unbiased opinion about the team you follow; it is by definition not possible, as dispassionate as you may believe your argument is.

I know the definition of bias, but I’m not convinced you do.

BORING

I'm certain you know what that word means.

Yes it's everything you've written the last 3 or 4 attempts.

We can’t all post riveting content like you.

I like what jirskyre posts,he is informative and most of all pretty clear and cohesive in what he says...he usually has clear and concise input that most people appreciate..there are many who are no where near as informed as he is....

You like his posts because he never criticises anything the club does, just like you.

Now,now avo,dont let loyalty toward a club and sticking by it ..get confused with fans who constantly criticise everything the club does that doesnt suit them....just like you...

So you’re saying because you blindly support every terrible decision the club makes you’re more of a fan than I am?

Didnt say that at all...Im loyal to the club,its coach,players and admin while they try and make this club a success that it should be...I dont always agree with their decisions,but I know they are doing whats best with what they have...
Difference between you and I for example is I try and be patient and see what happens in the not to distant future before hanging them out to dry...because you dont like Madge or his ways because the results arent that good atm while he is trying to fix the rotten culture or to develop young talent and you want results yesterday is a result of frustration and not the true indicator of where we are at as a club atm...

See that’s where you and I differ. I support the club, and am very loyal to WT. I have no loyalty to the board, players coach or administration. They’re just employees of the club I support.

I am similar, though I differ with the players that are local juniors, as for mine they are the basis of the club that I support.

Without them and others that have arrived as youngsters and think of themselves as WT players, I have little time for the rest of the enterprise and might as well cheer for McDonalds or KFC otherwise.

 

[happy_tiger]

Well our systems seem to suck..so I hope they don't get use to it..

Maybe the systems are good but the players suck.....

Maybe the players suck because of the systems lol

Would that be because they may not be used to the NRL system yet because they are young ? just asking..lol...

I was just playing and extending the line of thought.

To be honest my problem with Madge is his inability to adjust. I believe he needs a roster to adjust to his suit his coaching style rather than adjusting his coaching style to suit his roster.

Surely a coach has to come up with a style to suit the players strengths not the other way around. He has shown he is not going to change by chasing more bash and barge props like Thompson. How many props does he need in this joint. I think we need mobile ball playing backrowers and centres, not more props. The game has gone past his methods.

But he has changed his attacking style .....Madge sides in the past have never relied on playing off the cuff football like the WT's do .....defensively what he can he do if they can't make their tackles or control the ruck defensively ...nothing else will work

 

[jirskyr]

Hence a long slow painful rebuild is on the way

Only another 10 years to go.

If at all. They’ll find ways of cocking it up along the way. They always do.

Your optimism is infectious.

I call as I see it, without bias.

I hate to inform you but you are, by definition, biased. All fans are.

Not really, if the clubs doing well I’m complimentary, if it’s a dumpster fire (like it is at present) I’m not.

You don't get it.

There’s someone in this conversation that doesn’t get it, and it’s not me.

No it's definitely you. You don't get what bias is. You cannot possibly have an unbiased opinion about the team you follow; it is by definition not possible, as dispassionate as you may believe your argument is.

I know the definition of bias, but I’m not convinced you do.

BORING

I'm certain you know what that word means.

Yes it's everything you've written the last 3 or 4 attempts.

We can’t all post riveting content like you.

I like what jirskyre posts,he is informative and most of all pretty clear and cohesive in what he says...he usually has clear and concise input that most people appreciate..there are many who are no where near as informed as he is....

It is concise. It's just many sets of concise.

Alternatively I could just make twice as many posts with half as many words.

 

[jirskyr]

Hence a long slow painful rebuild is on the way

Only another 10 years to go.

If at all. They’ll find ways of cocking it up along the way. They always do.

Your optimism is infectious.

I call as I see it, without bias.

I hate to inform you but you are, by definition, biased. All fans are.

Not really, if the clubs doing well I’m complimentary, if it’s a dumpster fire (like it is at present) I’m not.

You don't get it.

There’s someone in this conversation that doesn’t get it, and it’s not me.

No it's definitely you. You don't get what bias is. You cannot possibly have an unbiased opinion about the team you follow; it is by definition not possible, as dispassionate as you may believe your argument is.

I know the definition of bias, but I’m not convinced you do.

BORING

I'm certain you know what that word means.

Yes it's everything you've written the last 3 or 4 attempts.

We can’t all post riveting content like you.

I like what jirskyre posts,he is informative and most of all pretty clear and cohesive in what he says...he usually has clear and concise input that most people appreciate..there are many who are no where near as informed as he is....

You would, Madge can do no wrong and we are on track for a turn around next year when Madges ‘systems” mature and bear yuge dividends according to he and your good self, so it makes sense you would appreciate and agree with his posts… you both could be right but I am seeing NONE of it. I think we are a basket case that is bein atrociously coached and horribly run and are in for a world of hurt next year unless we are coached by someone that can actually improve the teams attack , defence and attitude…

I'd be curious to be pointed to posts from anyone on this forum who thinks "Madge can do no wrong". I also don't think anyone seriously believe we are in for "huge dividends" in 2022.

That's certainly not my position, although you seem to be saying that both myself and some other folks are unconditional supporters of what the club is doing right now. I'm also not the kind of person to talk about "true supporters" or any such nonsense - supporters come in all shapes and sizes.

But if you are going to lump me in with some group of "blind followers" then you've got it all wrong, and either you don't read what I post, or you don't understand it, or I have written it in a manner which is not easy to understand.

So a recap if you care, concise as possible:
(a) It's easy to criticise, it's much harder to criticise constructively, and criticism for it's own sake doesn't really get us anywhere.

(b) Tigers are not playing well with Madge, nor was the team successful before Madge either. It's a club-wide issue that is very high chance of not being fixed simply by hooking the coach.

(c) I believe coaches should be given ~5 years to develop their roster and systems, and I believe this should be independent of whether or not a team is "getting better" year on year.

(d) There are very many things us fans cannot control (e.g. the board, CEO appointments, coach appointments etc.) and I find it pointless to rail against such things repeatedly.

(e) Tigers have decided to pursue a strategy of signing boom youngsters from all catchments, and it's going to take few years for that strategy to bear real fruit.

None of that is blind, nor does it say the club doesn't deserve criticism.

 

[earl]

Well our systems seem to suck..so I hope they don't get use to it..

Maybe the systems are good but the players suck.....

Maybe the players suck because of the systems lol

Would that be because they may not be used to the NRL system yet because they are young ? just asking..lol...

I was just playing and extending the line of thought.

To be honest my problem with Madge is his inability to adjust. I believe he needs a roster to adjust to his suit his coaching style rather than adjusting his coaching style to suit his roster.

Surely a coach has to come up with a style to suit the players strengths not the other way around. He has shown he is not going to change by chasing more bash and barge props like Thompson. How many props does he need in this joint. I think we need mobile ball playing backrowers and centres, not more props. The game has gone past his methods.

But he has changed his attacking style .....Madge sides in the past have never relied on playing off the cuff football like the WT's do .....defensively what he can he do if they can't make their tackles or control the ruck defensively ...nothing else will work

I don't know what he can do. I'm not sure we play off the cuff footy. I mean it looks like there is no plan with players that can't execute.

What a disaster of a year. COVID, Afghanistan and the Tigers. It's depressing. I did go for a walk outdoors with my mask on today though. It's a beautiful day in a locked down LGA.

 

[851]

Well our systems seem to suck..so I hope they don't get use to it..

Maybe the systems are good but the players suck.....

Maybe the players suck because of the systems lol

Would that be because they may not be used to the NRL system yet because they are young ? just asking..lol...

I was just playing and extending the line of thought.

To be honest my problem with Madge is his inability to adjust. I believe he needs a roster to adjust to his suit his coaching style rather than adjusting his coaching style to suit his roster.

That is 100% my take, and after 3 years of coaching the team, he has failed to coach to the players he has, but rather coach his style, it is time to move him on, nothing has changed

 

[Rowdy12]

Well our systems seem to suck..so I hope they don't get use to it..

Maybe the systems are good but the players suck.....

Maybe the players suck because of the systems lol

Would that be because they may not be used to the NRL system yet because they are young ? just asking..lol...

I was just playing and extending the line of thought.

To be honest my problem with Madge is his inability to adjust. I believe he needs a roster to adjust to his suit his coaching style rather than adjusting his coaching style to suit his roster.

Surely a coach has to come up with a style to suit the players strengths not the other way around. He has shown he is not going to change by chasing more bash and barge props like Thompson. How many props does he need in this joint. I think we need mobile ball playing backrowers and centres, not more props. The game has gone past his methods.

But he has changed his attacking style .....Madge sides in the past have never relied on playing off the cuff football like the WT's do .....defensively what he can he do if they can't make their tackles or control the ruck defensively ...nothing else will work

What off the cuff footy do we play apart from stupid offloads being thrown to no one in our own half?

 

[cochise]

Well our systems seem to suck..so I hope they don't get use to it..

Maybe the systems are good but the players suck.....

Maybe the players suck because of the systems lol

Would that be because they may not be used to the NRL system yet because they are young ? just asking..lol...

I was just playing and extending the line of thought.

To be honest my problem with Madge is his inability to adjust. I believe he needs a roster to adjust to his suit his coaching style rather than adjusting his coaching style to suit his roster.

Surely a coach has to come up with a style to suit the players strengths not the other way around. He has shown he is not going to change by chasing more bash and barge props like Thompson. How many props does he need in this joint. I think we need mobile ball playing backrowers and centres, not more props. The game has gone past his methods.

But he has changed his attacking style .....Madge sides in the past have never relied on playing off the cuff football like the WT's do .....defensively what he can he do if they can't make their tackles or control the ruck defensively ...nothing else will work

What off the cuff footy do we play apart from stupid offloads being thrown to no one in our own half?

If anything I feel we are too predictable.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Well our systems seem to suck..so I hope they don't get use to it..

Maybe the systems are good but the players suck.....

Maybe the players suck because of the systems lol

Would that be because they may not be used to the NRL system yet because they are young ? just asking..lol...

I was just playing and extending the line of thought.

To be honest my problem with Madge is his inability to adjust. I believe he needs a roster to adjust to his suit his coaching style rather than adjusting his coaching style to suit his roster.

That is 100% my take, and after 3 years of coaching the team, he has failed to coach to the players he has, but rather coach his style, it is time to move him on, nothing has changed

Definitely so for mine as well and long been calling it out. If one cannot move with the times let alone be innovative, it is past time to move aside.

That said, someone with a lot more sway than all of us here combined decided well before this season approached that committing to an additional two years of this was a wise choice.

 

[rihannafan1]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

 

[Demps]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

 

[tony soprano]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

Results don't matter

 

[Viking Warrior]

Kick to corners and defend seems to be Madges style. Only problem is we can't defend and we drop the ball alot so often don't get to the Kick. If I'm being honest I miss our attacking set plays and style from Sheens era.

 

[aturkey]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

6. We need to see noticeable improvement in our performances. I think after this year it will be obvious what that looks like.

 

[tony soprano]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

 

[tony soprano]

Kick to corners and defend seems to be Madges style. Only problem is we can't defend and we drop the ball alot so often don't get to the Kick. If I'm being honest I miss our attacking set plays and style from Sheens era.

How good was it scoring 1 play off a scrum deep in your own half

 

[avocadoontoast]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

0

 

[WT2K]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

Ill go with round 6

 

[Joel Helmes]

Yeah I can see it happening - club will back him over the off-season over and over then dump him 4 or 5 games into 2022. With our squad, as it stands now, I can’t see us improving.