Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[boonboon]

Whatever people think of Madge and im a fan he is going. That is now certain. So time to move on and decide who we think should be the next coach

 

[jadtiger]

Roy masters article is good

Whenever I read Roy I just wait for the inevitable reference to the old Magpies, and he did it twice, including a jab at Wests Ashfield for not backing the Maggies financially in the 1970s.

Whatever Roy has to say about the present from his High Tower in Melbourne, he's always got part of his brain fixed in his own past.

When people talk of old fossils who don't let it go i think of Elias and Roy Masters both "rent a quote" and living in the past.

 

[JC99]

Every day that goes by it's looking more and more likely he won't last much longer.

 

[Spartan117]

We are worse than when he got here.

Imagine If he didnt have the Guts to deadwood the players that he has.

 

[Spartan117]

Sorry spartan, lucky???
Are u seriously suggesting that we would be lucky to have him as our coach???
I think u need time on a doctors lounge.
Why because he has heart and loves the club?
If that’s the case then most supporters would qualify as a our coach!
A guy that yells and swears at his players, pretending to be a defensive based coach. Yet his team leaks an average of 30-35 points a game.
U have a weird sense of what lucky means!

I respect the opinions and the maturity of the discussions.

Its currently bad, real bad... Both on the field and in terms of recruitment, I totally agree.

I don't see any untried coach with the strength of character and the hard work ethos hat could give us Tigers Fans a way out of the last 15 years.

Sacking Madge this week isn't the answer.

 

[Tiger5150]

Roy masters article is good

Whenever I read Roy I just wait for the inevitable reference to the old Magpies, and he did it twice, including a jab at Wests Ashfield for not backing the Maggies financially in the 1970s.

Whatever Roy has to say about the present from his High Tower in Melbourne, he's always got part of his brain fixed in his own past.


When people talk of old fossils who don't let it go i think of Elias and Roy Masters both "rent a quote" and living in the past.

Roy Masters is hardly "rent a quote" he is a long time respected full time journalist at SMH, its literally his job.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont think the club is dumb enough to punt Madge.

He isnt perfect, but

He is the only one with a heart beat in the joint.

Were lucky if he stays.


Sorry spartan, lucky???
Are u seriously suggesting that we would be lucky to have him as our coach???
I think u need time on a doctors lounge.
Why because he has heart and loves the club?
If that’s the case then most supporters would qualify as a our coach!
A guy that yells and swears at his players, pretending to be a defensive based coach. Yet his team leaks an average of 30-35 points a game.
U have a weird sense of what lucky means!

I think he’s gone but who would want his job?

Pause for a second and have a good think about the senior playing group he was forced to work with ,

Reported that Packer and BJ weren’t even talking to him. What classy humans they were, taking up to $1.5m from the club (per year) and simply taking the piss.

Moses Mbye was going through the motions because he’d been told to look around early in his tenure.

Josh Reynolds, busted.

Musgrove, busted.

McQueen, busted.

Lawrence, busted.

Aloiai, Mong.

Brooks, emotionally shot from being asked to carry this dumpster fire of a club.

Pascoe and co need to own up to assembling the worst senior playing group ever. Time for some accountability.

Pascoe fan boys need not reply.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Sorry spartan, lucky???
Are u seriously suggesting that we would be lucky to have him as our coach???
I think u need time on a doctors lounge.
Why because he has heart and loves the club?
If that’s the case then most supporters would qualify as a our coach!
A guy that yells and swears at his players, pretending to be a defensive based coach. Yet his team leaks an average of 30-35 points a game.
U have a weird sense of what lucky means!

I respect the opinions and the maturity of the discussions.

Its currently bad, real bad... Both on the field and in terms of recruitment, I totally agree.

I don't see any untried coach with the strength of character and the hard work ethos hat could give us Tigers Fans a way out of the last 15 years.

Sacking Madge this week isn't the answer.

I don't think sacking Madge is the answer either, I'd rather see our club tell all the players who don't want to be here and show some guts and pride like any self-respecting pro footy player should that they are free to walk. Unfortunately that isn't reality in modern-day football so I don't think they have any other choice but to push Maguire out. That sucks because it just proves that player-power (or pisspoor gutless performance more correctly) has won out at this pitiful cemetary of a club YET AGAIN.
If they get rid of Maguire then Brooks in particular needs to be booted from the club at whatever cost as well, his 'efforts' yesterday in attack were disgusting.

Seeing as we are looking for a new coach I'd probably go with the Walker brothers.....they'd be this new-age, sensitive, pat the players on the arse type of coaches IMO. Who encourage touch footy at all costs, they would suit our peaheart squad (bar Stefano, Doueihi, Laurie and Twal who all seem to have a solid dig every game) down to the ground.

 

[jadtiger]

Roy masters article is good

Whenever I read Roy I just wait for the inevitable reference to the old Magpies, and he did it twice, including a jab at Wests Ashfield for not backing the Maggies financially in the 1970s.

Whatever Roy has to say about the present from his High Tower in Melbourne, he's always got part of his brain fixed in his own past.


When people talk of old fossils who don't let it go i think of Elias and Roy Masters both "rent a quote" and living in the past.

Roy Masters is hardly "rent a quote" he is a long time respected full time journalist at SMH, its literally his job.

I know he is a journo and an ex coach but like many journos he has an agenda and always puts his slant on it

 

[Krammy]

I mean it’s not totally doom and gloom for a young coach like Ciraldo. Tim sheens in the background, New COE, Ton of cap space and a good relationship with younger players, some that he would know from Penrith. It could be an enticing offer

Add to that, he would be starting with bar at an all time low.

 

[weststigerman]

In 2 minds on Madge.

On one side there are no good coaching options available and sacking another coach makes it even less desirable for a coach to want to come here. If we keep Madge there is probably more chance of Brooks and other weak personalities moved on. And why is Madge only struggling at this club?

On the other side, the team is going backwards, there has been no improvement as the season has gone on. We’ve missed a lot players and some say it’s down to the coach.

The club is screwed either way.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Should have been punted back at the start of the stand alone origin and bye period, with an interim replacement installed if necessary.

Instead our WT delayed the inevitable, so are heading into their regular early start off-season with at least some questions on the squad and retention left unanswered that shoud have been.

 

[cochise]

I like the idea if we can’t get Bennett, get Sheens
to coach next year and have Ciraldo assist then take over in 2023

Ciraldo is not leaving the Panthers to be another assistant coach.

Put in his contract he is coach in 24.

 

[Telltails]

Should have been punted back at the start of the stand alone origin and bye period, with an interim replacement installed if necessary.

Instead our WT delayed the inevitable, so are heading into their regular early start off-season with at least some questions on the squad and retention left unanswered that shoud have been.

They were still in contention to make the 8 at tgat point. That would have been diabolical.

 

[clontarfkid]

No point in sacking Madge mid season..had to let the season run its course
And after each game where you think it cldnt possibly get any worse...it inevitably did!!

 

[Tim Sheens]

BJ weren’t even talking to him

I was off the coach last year and mainly because of match day reports. Still though, I remained slightly uncertain until I watched early in the series when Maguire embarrassing Leilua in the dressing room and the reaction amongst the squad, physically and particularly so on the visible faces around the room.

The player has/had his issues, but any reasonable man manager doesn’t do that. The squad was downcast as it was and needed to be engaged rather than cast down further.

 

[BAGNF05]

BJ weren’t even talking to him

I was off the coach last year and mainly because of match day reports. Still though, I remained slightly uncertain until I watched early in the series when Maguire embarrassing Leilua in the dressing room and the reaction amongst the squad, physically and particularly so on the visible faces around the room.

The player has/had his issues, but any reasonable man manager doesn’t do that. The squad was downcast as it was and needed to be engaged rather than cast down further.

The ‘man’ you speak of admitted publically that he had feasted on fast food most of last year as he wasn’t coping. People like Maguire and Bellamy demand more than that from professional athletes, clubs like Melbourne wouldn’t put up with that full stop. Ours did.

 

[tigerap]

Sounds like Madge is gone….

 

[WT2K]

Wests Tigers' much-maligned recruitment and retention – and the club's repeated misses for big-name targets – will be a key focus of the season review that has cast increasing doubt over Michael Maguire's future.

Preliminary interviews with players and staff in Queensland will wrap up this week after another failed Tigers campaign, the club's 10th straight finals miss compounded by a 38-0 shellacking from wooden spooners Canterbury on Sunday.

Club chairman Lee Hagipantelis anticipates the annual review to be completed "within a couple of weeks".

NRL.com understands club officials have already fielded multiple informal approaches from representatives of potential replacement coaches recently as pressure mounts on Maguire's position.

Hagipantelis conceded downward trending finishes of ninth (2019 in Maguire's first season), 11th (2020) and 13th (2021), combined with a 38.2-win percentage across Maguire's tenure, meant an all-encompassing review of football and club operations was required.


Chief among those is the "self-fulfilling narrative on recruitment" - the Tigers have unsuccessfully chased a host of big-name targets including Latrell Mitchell, Jai Arrow, Josh Addo-Carr and Tevita Pangai jnr, among others, since Maguire's arrival.

Hagipentalis said recruitment and retention discussions would continue in coming weeks, with Dragons veteran Tariq Sims holding appeal as an experienced back-row option after being told he would be free to leave his contract early next season.

However, no definitive moves are expected to be made while the Tigers coach's position is being reviewed.

The Tigers are understood to have the best part of $1.5 million still to spend in next year's salary cap.

The club formally farewelled Moses Mbye (Dragons), Joey Leilua and Michael Chee Kam (released), Billy Walters (Broncos) and Russell Packer (retired) on Monday.

Leilua was hailed as a key recruit at the start of last season but his form has been modest and the club has not exercised an option on his deal for 2022.

Hagipantelis has been among Maguire's most strident supporters in recent years, but stopped short of endorsing the coach's survival when asked if he is still the man to take the club forward.

"Madge was asked that in yesterday's press conference and he answered yes, he was very positive on that," Hagipantelis said on Monday.

"The man is well credentialed, he's got a premiership to his name. He's absolutely committed, passionate and dedicated, there's no questioning that whatsoever.

"But the results this year have not borne out our expectations and more importantly the expectations of our fans and members.

"And so part of the review process is why the club is doing so well off the field and why there seems to be a disconnect between that level of success and the performances on the field.

"That's something that has to be addressed."

The results this year have not borne out our expectations.

Should Maguire's time be deemed up, Shane Flanagan shapes as the most experienced coaching option available aside from Queensland-bound Wayne Bennett, with Flanagan's ability to attract established names also proven at Cronulla.

However, his chequered off-field history, particularly when Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe served a six-month salary cap ban at the same time that Flanagan's Sharks career was ended in 2019, is understood to have club hierarchy wary.

Younger coaches including Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo, Tongan mentor Kristian Woolf and former Tigers player John Morris offer alternatives, while Queensland coach Paul Green has also long been open to an NRL return.

NSW counterpart Brad Fittler is of the same view but on Monday ruled himself out of making himself available should the Tigers gig become vacant, telling NRL.com's Inside the NRL on Monday that the club must focus its resources on the Macarthur region in south-western Sydney to achieve its potential.


The delayed arrival of Tigers patriarch Tim Sheens to take up a new head of football performance role – encompassing recruitment and retention – has somewhat hampered the club's overhaul of key football departments.

Sheens is tentatively scheduled to arrive from the UK in mid-October with limited ability to work over Zoom meetings to date.

The 2005 premiership-winning coach is viewed as a circuit-breaker in the Tigers' repeated recruitment misses, while perceptions of Maguire's hard-nosed coaching style – be they accurate or not – have also taken hold in the market.

Strong 2021 campaigns from recent recruits Adam Doueihi, Stefano Utoikamanu, Daine Laurie, Luciano Leilua and Shawn Blore point to a brighter future.

Strike power out wide and reinforcements at prop and the back row shape as the club's key target areas, with Hagipantelis speaking to ongoing frustration around the club's perception by rival players and fans.

"There's been no decision to pause recruitment and retention pending any particular outcome, but it itself part of the review process and a pretty important one given where the club sits," the chairman said.

"One of the issues that I've found difficult is the narrative that we struggle to attract quality players to the club.

"Unfortunately the narrative is self-fulfilling.


"When it's out there in the media publicly, it starts to take hold and the only way to challenge that is by being successful and finding success in our recruiting decisions.

"That's how we attract quality players, and there's such upside in the young talents in what I think is the youngest roster in the league.

"There's an exciting group coming through who would benefit from more experienced and senior quality players coming into those rosters spots."
https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/09/06/tigers-failure-to-land-star-free-agents-casts-doubt-on-maguires-future/

 

[851]

I dont think the club is dumb enough to punt Madge.
He isnt perfect, but
He is the only one with a heart beat in the joint.
Were lucky if he stays.

I have been 100% in this camp until now. THere is clearly something badly broken and it is not being fixed. The most likely problem is the coach. It is possible that somehow its not Madges fault, but somehow the board, but less likely IMO.

Disagree 5150



* We buy the wrong players
* Pay them too much
* Don't make them accountable for their performance's

Why don't we put more on the Management team ?

We have been a basket case of a club for more than the last 3 years. This isn't Madge's fault alone.

15 Years of mostly garbage and inconsistency.

We are worse than when he got here.

And that is the final nail in the coffin, there are no players wanting to come and play for him, and the ones he has don't want to play for him, it would be criminally negligent to let him stay on next year.
If a plane is crashing and there is a chance at survival you take it, you don't just sit back and let it crash and burn with all onboard, that is where Madge has lead us to at this point unfortunately