Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Tim Sheens]

Should have been punted back at the start of the stand alone origin and bye period, with an interim replacement installed if necessary.

Instead our WT delayed the inevitable, so are heading into their regular early start off-season with at least some questions on the squad and retention left unanswered that shoud have been.

They were still in contention to make the 8 at tgat point. That would have been diabolical.

If we weren't already diabolical by that point I might agree, but we also may have been playing finals this weekend had we made the change.

We will never know and instead we get to watch along with the Knights and Titans fans after they won enough matches in that period to move forward as WT faltered.

 

[851]

I honestly don't understand how a new coach will do anything.

The team we had out on the park yesterday were rejects from other clubs and most are on contract next year.

Go back to the reason why Souths sacked Madge a few years back.

I have been saying this for 2 years, we are now souths circa 2017, and the good players at souths turned on him, and that is why we can't get a decent player to sign on. As for Shane Richardson backing Madge, that is laughable, he sacked him after 2 seasons of finishing 12th, Seibold got them to 3rd the very next year, the game bypassed Madge in 2016, he has never been able to catch back up

 

[851]

Imagine a struggling club giving the SuperCoach a 10 day deadline to decide if he is going to leave his current club a year early.
Should of, from day one agreed to move on from Cleary internally, agreed with Bennett to start in 2020 and figured out the rest afterwards.

That's not the narrative though. There wasn't a guarantee Bennett would ever leave Brisbane, because it was a tug of war between him and certain senior elements on the Broncos Board.

Bennett said, now in writing, he was open to taking the Tigers position but couldn't honourably leave his Broncos side a year early (also contractually he's not permitted to). Now maybe Bennett is some mad loyalist or maybe he was forcing the Broncos' hand for a super-duper payout for his troubles, but whatever the reason he was hanging around until at least the end of his contract, and if he could outstay or out-result the naysayers within the Broncos, there's also a chance he re-signs with Broncos. Wayne Bennett is not a political mug, he's been at it for a very long time.

So I don't see anywhere suggested that Bennett was willing to sign on for 2020 with Tigers without knowing his exact future at Broncos. That was never the offer and I've never heard it said that Bennett was willing to come a year later. Bennett has only ever said "I can't leave the Broncos right now". And then, months later, Bennett gets the chop.

Well you can read between the lines. When someone says I want to coach you but I still have a year left with Brisbane and I’m not going to leave them without finishing the job does give an indication that he was ready to move on.

You can slice it, dice it anyway you feel.

The reality is the CEOs ego wouldn’t let his former mate leave the club with out being in a position to give him the finger in return.
Madge was appointed and Cleary was released.

Read the statements at the time. I’m pretty sure I read Pascoe quoted as saying we have an upgraded by appointing Maguire as the coach.

2020 was just not an option for our inept administration.

It was never said anywhere that Bennett would entertain being signed on for 2020. You are just making it up.

"Reading between the lines" is meaningless, especially if you weren't personally even present at the conversations. You are reading between a fraction of the lines, as reported by people who weren't present.

I saw Bennett interviewed on FOX about 6 weeks ago, he said "I agreed to coach the Tigers for 2020, if I knew I that I was going to be sacked I would be coaching there now"

 

[avocadoontoast]

Imagine a struggling club giving the SuperCoach a 10 day deadline to decide if he is going to leave his current club a year early.
Should of, from day one agreed to move on from Cleary internally, agreed with Bennett to start in 2020 and figured out the rest afterwards.

That's not the narrative though. There wasn't a guarantee Bennett would ever leave Brisbane, because it was a tug of war between him and certain senior elements on the Broncos Board.

Bennett said, now in writing, he was open to taking the Tigers position but couldn't honourably leave his Broncos side a year early (also contractually he's not permitted to). Now maybe Bennett is some mad loyalist or maybe he was forcing the Broncos' hand for a super-duper payout for his troubles, but whatever the reason he was hanging around until at least the end of his contract, and if he could outstay or out-result the naysayers within the Broncos, there's also a chance he re-signs with Broncos. Wayne Bennett is not a political mug, he's been at it for a very long time.

So I don't see anywhere suggested that Bennett was willing to sign on for 2020 with Tigers without knowing his exact future at Broncos. That was never the offer and I've never heard it said that Bennett was willing to come a year later. Bennett has only ever said "I can't leave the Broncos right now". And then, months later, Bennett gets the chop.

Well you can read between the lines. When someone says I want to coach you but I still have a year left with Brisbane and I’m not going to leave them without finishing the job does give an indication that he was ready to move on.

You can slice it, dice it anyway you feel.

The reality is the CEOs ego wouldn’t let his former mate leave the club with out being in a position to give him the finger in return.
Madge was appointed and Cleary was released.

Read the statements at the time. I’m pretty sure I read Pascoe quoted as saying we have an upgraded by appointing Maguire as the coach.

2020 was just not an option for our inept administration.

It was never said anywhere that Bennett would entertain being signed on for 2020. You are just making it up.

"Reading between the lines" is meaningless, especially if you weren't personally even present at the conversations. You are reading between a fraction of the lines, as reported by people who weren't present.

I saw Bennett interviewed on FOX about 6 weeks ago, he said "I agreed to coach the Tigers for 2020, if I knew I that I was going to be sacked I would be coaching there now"

You’re correct. It’s been reported extensively with actual quotes from Bennett. I’m not sure why some people struggle to believe it.

 

[Telltails]

I honestly don't understand how a new coach will do anything.

The team we had out on the park yesterday were rejects from other clubs and most are on contract next year.

Go back to the reason why Souths sacked Madge a few years back.

I have been saying this for 2 years, we are now souths circa 2017, and the good players at souths turned on him, and that is why we can't get a decent player to sign on. As for Shane Richardson backing Madge, that is laughable, he sacked him after 2 seasons of finishing 12th, Seibold got them to 3rd the very next year, the game bypassed Madge in 2016, he has never been able to catch back up

Bennett , Des, Cleary, three coaches who have been sacked from clubs and now overseeing three of the best teams in the competition and I bet who ever sacked them at the time can give you a good reason for doing so.
Players make coaches and can destroy them just as easily and no coach is immune.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I honestly don't understand how a new coach will do anything.

The team we had out on the park yesterday were rejects from other clubs and most are on contract next year.

Go back to the reason why Souths sacked Madge a few years back.

I have been saying this for 2 years, we are now souths circa 2017, and the good players at souths turned on him, and that is why we can't get a decent player to sign on. As for Shane Richardson backing Madge, that is laughable, he sacked him after 2 seasons of finishing 12th, Seibold got them to 3rd the very next year, the game bypassed Madge in 2016, he has never been able to catch back up

If it hadn't already, it certainly did when Covid hit bringing in rugba league.

 

[tigertye]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

 

[jirskyr]

As for Shane Richardson backing Madge, that is laughable, he sacked him after 2 seasons of finishing 12th, Seibold got them to 3rd the very next year

Got them the premiership mate, Rabbits will never say a bad word about Madge. My BIL is a mad-keen Rabbits fan, Madgey gets a lifetime pass for him. Same with me and Matt Cecchin from the 2005 GF.

 

[jirskyr]

Imagine a struggling club giving the SuperCoach a 10 day deadline to decide if he is going to leave his current club a year early.
Should of, from day one agreed to move on from Cleary internally, agreed with Bennett to start in 2020 and figured out the rest afterwards.

That's not the narrative though. There wasn't a guarantee Bennett would ever leave Brisbane, because it was a tug of war between him and certain senior elements on the Broncos Board.

Bennett said, now in writing, he was open to taking the Tigers position but couldn't honourably leave his Broncos side a year early (also contractually he's not permitted to). Now maybe Bennett is some mad loyalist or maybe he was forcing the Broncos' hand for a super-duper payout for his troubles, but whatever the reason he was hanging around until at least the end of his contract, and if he could outstay or out-result the naysayers within the Broncos, there's also a chance he re-signs with Broncos. Wayne Bennett is not a political mug, he's been at it for a very long time.

So I don't see anywhere suggested that Bennett was willing to sign on for 2020 with Tigers without knowing his exact future at Broncos. That was never the offer and I've never heard it said that Bennett was willing to come a year later. Bennett has only ever said "I can't leave the Broncos right now". And then, months later, Bennett gets the chop.

Well you can read between the lines. When someone says I want to coach you but I still have a year left with Brisbane and I’m not going to leave them without finishing the job does give an indication that he was ready to move on.

You can slice it, dice it anyway you feel.

The reality is the CEOs ego wouldn’t let his former mate leave the club with out being in a position to give him the finger in return.
Madge was appointed and Cleary was released.

Read the statements at the time. I’m pretty sure I read Pascoe quoted as saying we have an upgraded by appointing Maguire as the coach.

2020 was just not an option for our inept administration.

It was never said anywhere that Bennett would entertain being signed on for 2020. You are just making it up.

"Reading between the lines" is meaningless, especially if you weren't personally even present at the conversations. You are reading between a fraction of the lines, as reported by people who weren't present.

I saw Bennett interviewed on FOX about 6 weeks ago, he said "I agreed to coach the Tigers for 2020, if I knew I that I was going to be sacked I would be coaching there now"

I don't get that? Tigers wanted a coach in 2019. How could he have agreed to coaching us in 2020?

Why doesn't Bennett come on over now? Oh because he wants to move to QLD. Another unlucky pass-by for us. Seems Wayne is always a year ahead or behind what we need.

 

[cochise]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

 

[tigertye]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

 

[Krammy]

As for Shane Richardson backing Madge, that is laughable, he sacked him after 2 seasons of finishing 12th, Seibold got them to 3rd the very next year

Got them the premiership mate, Rabbits will never say a bad word about Madge. My BIL is a mad-keen Rabbits fan, Madgey gets a lifetime pass for him. Same with me and Matt Cecchin from the 2005 GF.

I have two brothers who are also mad Rabbits fans. They do not speak highly of Madge at all. Yes they acknowledge the 2014 premiership, but they believe players like Sam B and Inglis had the real influence on the team. Both think Madge had huge problems with his relationships with the players between 2015 - 2017. I personally have no idea, but this is coming from Souths supporters.

 

[cochise]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

 

[Geo]

Sheens lost the playing group.. Potter lost the playing Group ..Taylor never had the playing group.. Voldemort dogged the playing group.. Maguire lost the playing group..

I’m starting to sense a pattern here.. time for a new group..

 

[mccarry2]

Cameron Smith would be worth $1m a year as an assistant coach if we would lure him to Sydney

 

[yeahcaz]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

The comparison between Bellamy and Maguire is laughable. Bellamy isn’t gruelling training sessions 24/7

 

[hobbo1]

Sheens lost the playing group.. Potter lost the playing Group ..Taylor never had the playing group.. Voldemort dogged the playing group.. Maguire lost the playing group..

I’m starting to sense a pattern here.. time for a new group..

Telltails ..? I think it was, made a brilliant post earlier saying that we all agree we’d only keep 3-4 players in this group but let’s punt the coach ..

The mind boggles!

 

[cochise]

Sheens lost the playing group.. Potter lost the playing Group ..Taylor never had the playing group.. Voldemort dogged the playing group.. Maguire lost the playing group..

I’m starting to sense a pattern here.. time for a new group..

We might give the playing group to Sheens

 

[jirskyr]

As for Shane Richardson backing Madge, that is laughable, he sacked him after 2 seasons of finishing 12th, Seibold got them to 3rd the very next year

Got them the premiership mate, Rabbits will never say a bad word about Madge. My BIL is a mad-keen Rabbits fan, Madgey gets a lifetime pass for him. Same with me and Matt Cecchin from the 2005 GF.

I have two brothers who are also mad Rabbits fans. They do not speak highly of Madge at all. Yes they acknowledge the 2014 premiership, but they believe players like Sam B and Inglis had the real influence on the team. Both think Madge had huge problems with his relationships with the players between 2015 - 2017. I personally have no idea, but this is coming from Souths supporters.

I'm sorry for your brothers but that's complete BS and belittles what the coach achieved. No matter what success or failure happened for Madge before and after his go at the Rabbits, he brought them their first premiership in 41 years, and prior to Madge they'd only made the finals once in the previous 21 years. 1 finals in 21 years, then Madge got them there 4 years running from the year he joined, with the premiership on the 3rd go.

For all the monotonous talk of Tigers not making the finals for the past decade, imagine supporting a club that doesn't make the finals for 15 years (we may get there yet) and wins 4 wooden spoons along the way.

So no, I agree, I cannot understand how any Rabbits fan can dismiss what Madge achieved, no matter the non-fairytale ending. It may even be argued that the Madge approach, which may have soured with players eventually, was what was required to take Rabbits to that next level.

 

[watersider]

Lee is rubbish:

1. He judges anything based on a nothing round 25 clash where the players dogged it? I don't care what you think of Madge, that's not on him. Maybe he's lost the group but they should have some pride anyway. And dud performances in the last round are the norm since 2006. In response to that question, I want the chairman to have some bloody perspective.

2. He says the fans are disappointed so it's not good enough. As a leader you make the hard decisions and you accept that not everything is going to be rosy. Making football decisions based on what fans and media think is dumb and will blow up.

Everytime this guy speaks he's embarrassing. Is he seriously a lawyer? Plodder supreme.

Whatever which way you think, it's a disaster that Lee is the one making the decision.

You sack Madge, you better make the 8 next year or you walk. It's on you, Lee. Make your decision.

My view: Madge deserves a year. Give him better assistants, demand improvement and a plan for doing it and hold him to it next year if it fails.

Stop sucking up to the media, Lee. You sound pathetic.

Sorry, I'm angry because wannabe fanboys talking rubbish to media should be sponsors, not running the club.