Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Telltails]

The current playing group is as much a handbrake in recruiting decent players as any coach.
The shifting of coaches without apportioning accountability on the playing group will never attract winners or bring out the best in any player.

Isn't the decision about players rightly to be left with the new coach?

Of course - hopefully with a cuddle to help correct the wrongs they have endured.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The current playing group is as much a handbrake in recruiting decent players as any coach.
The shifting of coaches without apportioning accountability on the playing group will never attract winners or bring out the best in any player.

Isn't the decision about players rightly to be left with the new coach?

Of course - hopefully with a cuddle to help correct the wrongs they have endured.

Some of the toughest individuals I've known have needed a slap on the back every now and then or a fatherly chat.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hopefully the new coach gives our halfback a fatherly chat about 5th tackle options, short balls at the line to second rowers and his kicking game. It's all been garbage for years.

If Blore doesn't give Brooks a pair of Irish sunglasses over Mad Monday for his efforts on the weekend I'll be surprised.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Hopefully the new coach gives our halfback a fatherly chat about 5th tackle options, short balls at the line to second rowers and his kicking game. It's all been garbage for years.

If Blore doesn't give Brooks a pair of Irish sunglasses over Mad Monday for his efforts on the weekend I'll be surprised.

Or he could just use him as Cleary did.

 

[Telltails]

The current playing group is as much a handbrake in recruiting decent players as any coach.
The shifting of coaches without apportioning accountability on the playing group will never attract winners or bring out the best in any player.

Isn't the decision about players rightly to be left with the new coach?

Of course - hopefully with a cuddle to help correct the wrongs they have endured.

Some of the toughest individuals I've known have needed a slap on the back every now and then or a fatherly chat.

There is a time and place for everything but if you want to breed success deflecting blame will achieve nothing if you don't own your own part in the failures - and there are players in our team who are not helping our cause. If Maguire is being called out for it then there are others that are equal contributers.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hopefully the new coach gives our halfback a fatherly chat about 5th tackle options, short balls at the line to second rowers and his kicking game. It's all been garbage for years.

If Blore doesn't give Brooks a pair of Irish sunglasses over Mad Monday for his efforts on the weekend I'll be surprised.

Or he could just use him as Cleary did.

He still wasn't great under Cleary. The season he won the Dally M it was our lowest scoring season ever. Still is. It was our defence that kept us in the comp that year as it was also our best season for lowest points conceded.

Only one game in that season we galloped away to win. Scored above 24 points only three times that season. Yeah a shining example for our halfback.

 

[TigerTownSFS]

I agree that Madge has to leave in order to allow the club to short circuit the recruitment spiral it’s been in. Above all what is critical is that the next $1.5m we have to spend for 2022 is spent well, it is the most important decision we have made since Cleary left. I feel for Madge, he’s obviously a great person but he really only has himself to blame. If he was improving players his job would not be on the line, the fact that results have gone backwards over the season show we are missing some quality recruits and Madge for whatever reason cannot recruit (players don’t come to a club because the CEO is impressive or they like the GM of football it surely is because they want to be coached).

So if Madge is gone then who?

1) Flanagan and his son? A more modern coach who can possibly attract players and improve the media perception (for a time) but who he questionable morals?

2) ciraldo? A rookie coach who will be thrown to the wolves after the first month if we aren’t winning?

3) Green? A failed coach who only really succeeded with a future immortal in the halves?

If the Qld expansion gets delayed (unlikely) then maybe Bennet is available for a few years but other than that the cupboard is pretty bare.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

 

[nuggetron]

if i was in a position of power i would say to the playing group alright back to training on monday, whoever doesn't show up or kicks up a stink, thanks cya later. no way we can turn over this many coaches, without any form of success, and still believe its a coach issue. if it's not a coach issue based on that then its a playing group or a management issue. judging by the fact that the team didn't show up on sunday i would start there.

madge isn't the greatest coach but there's nothing out there that is any better that is available, or willing to come to this mess. if we replace him we are back to square one, working with a team that's not mine, don't judge me until i clear out these guys and get a squad together, just in time to be shown the door again

 

[cochise]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

The issue that I see with Bennett is i believe he would be more concerned about his legacy than the long term future of the club. I think he would burn the place to the ground trying to get long term success. He also seems to revel in clubs imploding after he leaves.

Not trying to argue against every option. Its just there isn't a perfect option out there.

 

[Canberratiger]

I have always backed Madge but now there is too much of a smell around the place. If it was hard to attract players before, it would be impossible now.
The question is: how are we perceived around the league by other clubs and players? Apart from "They are a joke", is it the coach, set up, players, etc as to why no one wants to play there?
Surely someone on here can answer this to a degree.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

The issue that I see with Bennett is i believe he would be more concerned about his legacy than the long term future of the club. I think he would burn the place to the ground trying to get long term success. He also seems to revel in clubs imploding after he leaves.

Not trying to argue against every option. Its just there isn't a perfect option out there.

There isn’t much for him to burn down. This club is at rock bottom and couldn’t possibly sink any lower. We’d at least have a good chance of short term success. Whereas now there isn’t much for long or short term success.

 

[Guest]

I have always backed Madge but now there is too much of a smell around the place. If it was hard to attract players before, it would be impossible now.
The question is: how are we perceived around the league by other clubs and players? Apart from "They are a joke", is it the coach, set up, players, etc as to why no one wants to play there?
Surely someone on here can answer this to a degree.

Remember midyear when Madge said at a presser that he's constantly taking phone calls from players who want to join the club.

Funny stuff. It's amazing his pants didn't explode with fire.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I have always backed Madge but now there is too much of a smell around the place. If it was hard to attract players before, it would be impossible now.
The question is: how are we perceived around the league by other clubs and players? Apart from "They are a joke", is it the coach, set up, players, etc as to why no one wants to play there?
Surely someone on here can answer this to a degree.

Someone made a great point the other day. You can point the finger at him for not being able to sign marquee players, but when has this club ever been able to sign marquee players? You can probably count them on one hand. Not even Sheens was consistently bringing them to the club. We lost Tedesco and Woods under Cleary. Potter and JT didn’t have the money to do anything. It’s the club that is the issue. Madge is just a by-product.

 

[cochise]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

The issue that I see with Bennett is i believe he would be more concerned about his legacy than the long term future of the club. I think he would burn the place to the ground trying to get long term success. He also seems to revel in clubs imploding after he leaves.

Not trying to argue against every option. Its just there isn't a perfect option out there.

There isn’t much for him to burn down. This club is at rock bottom and couldn’t possibly sink any lower. We’d at least have a good chance of short term success. Whereas now there isn’t much for long or short term success.

Yeah I get the push for Bennett, I want long term success though. Making the finals for a couple of years and then crashing back to this is not enough for me. I want a decade of being close to the top of the game and I don't think Bennett provides that.

I also have a very dark thought that would be such a Wests Tigers thing to happen if we signed Bennett that maybe he is better off not coming for his own health.

 

[cochise]

I have always backed Madge but now there is too much of a smell around the place. If it was hard to attract players before, it would be impossible now.
The question is: how are we perceived around the league by other clubs and players? Apart from "They are a joke", is it the coach, set up, players, etc as to why no one wants to play there?
Surely someone on here can answer this to a degree.

Someone made a great point the other day. You can point the finger at him for not being able to sign marquee players, but when has this club ever been able to sign marquee players? You can probably count them on one hand. Not even Sheens was consistently bringing them to the club. We lost Tedesco and Woods under Cleary. Potter and JT didn’t have the money to do anything. It’s the club that is the issue. Madge is just a by-product.

Remember when we were going to sign one marquee player every year lol

 

[GNR4LIFE]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

The issue that I see with Bennett is i believe he would be more concerned about his legacy than the long term future of the club. I think he would burn the place to the ground trying to get long term success. He also seems to revel in clubs imploding after he leaves.

Not trying to argue against every option. Its just there isn't a perfect option out there.

There isn’t much for him to burn down. This club is at rock bottom and couldn’t possibly sink any lower. We’d at least have a good chance of short term success. Whereas now there isn’t much for long or short term success.

Yeah I get the push for Bennett, I want long term success though. Making the finals for a couple of years and then crashing back to this is not enough for me. I want a decade of being close to the top of the game and I don't think Bennett provides that.

I also have a very dark thought that would be such a Wests Tigers thing to happen if we signed Bennett that maybe he is better off not coming for his own health.

What long term success do we look like having atm? None. When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose.

 

[cochise]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

The issue that I see with Bennett is i believe he would be more concerned about his legacy than the long term future of the club. I think he would burn the place to the ground trying to get long term success. He also seems to revel in clubs imploding after he leaves.

Not trying to argue against every option. Its just there isn't a perfect option out there.

There isn’t much for him to burn down. This club is at rock bottom and couldn’t possibly sink any lower. We’d at least have a good chance of short term success. Whereas now there isn’t much for long or short term success.

Yeah I get the push for Bennett, I want long term success though. Making the finals for a couple of years and then crashing back to this is not enough for me. I want a decade of being close to the top of the game and I don't think Bennett provides that.

I also have a very dark thought that would be such a Wests Tigers thing to happen if we signed Bennett that maybe he is better off not coming for his own health.

What long term success do we look like having atm? None.

I didn't say we did, but we have some very good young talent coming through and hopefully the improvements in our pathways will help ensure that develops into quality 1st graders. I have more hope in that than a coaching change or signing big name players to dig us out of this mess.

 

[Guest]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

Pretty sure he's done with staying in Sydney, he's made his millions and wants to head home. I don't think 1 million per year would entice him to coach the Tigers.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Hopefully the new coach gives our halfback a fatherly chat about 5th tackle options, short balls at the line to second rowers and his kicking game. It's all been garbage for years.

If Blore doesn't give Brooks a pair of Irish sunglasses over Mad Monday for his efforts on the weekend I'll be surprised.

Or he could just use him as Cleary did.

He still wasn't great under Cleary. The season he won the Dally M it was our lowest scoring season ever. Still is. It was our defence that kept us in the comp that year as it was also our best season for lowest points conceded.

Only one game in that season we galloped away to win. Scored above 24 points only three times that season. Yeah a shining example for our halfback.

The leading halfbacks such as Moses, DCE, Hughes and Cleary all have very good rosters around them. We've seen Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC leave WTs. Has there been like for like replacements?

Cleary played Brooks to his strength. Cleary is a very good coach regardless of your view on his departure from WTs. I don't see the same in Maguire, He seems a one size fits all type and we know with Brooks that will never work.