Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[mike]

I’d take Flanagan as an assistant if he is keen

I don’t want Flanagan anywhere near our youth.

 

[mike]

Review has been completed & will be presented to the board by Wednesday. Madge appears to have survived the cut, not so much his assistants. The support staff will not be in Madge's complete control but more or less club appointed, with the review under lining that they are well past the current game.
Player support was high & will be a major supporting factoring in Madge staying.

Player support was high … of course there is no ramifications for there failures on field and will continue to earn massive money .
How on earth could Maguire not be sacked this has to be a gee up !
What sought of review after 3 seasons of failure with different assistants recommends that the mediocrity that has engulfed all before it recommends that the coach continue this would be astounding .
I suppose this is not surprising from a very lack lustre organisation! and set to continue throw the towel in guys and Re locate and do us all a favour..

One of the findings of the review was that the players voted unanimously to play exclusively out of WSS

Dream on.

 

[diedpretty]

I heard brooks wasn't happy with the outcome of the review.


 

[diedpretty]

But Douehi was pretty happy


 

[Needaname]

Certainly not against Pascoe moving on(same result etc) but if we think sacking him will do anything for 2022 is laughable.


So what’s the point of sacking him then?
If sacking fixes nothing I don’t get the point

Cause you want to change the next 5 years not the next year. Need to look for coach or players

I still think our bigger issue is weak minded individuals in the team. Much harder to fix though.

Weak minded or largely fractured and disgruntled because non performing players on massive salaries weren’t contributing?

If that’s the case we’ve got even bigger issues than we think. If any of our players aren’t putting in because someone’s earning more than them and they don’t think they should be then pack ya bags son, that kind of crap will do more damage than any coach.

Most of those highly paid under performing players have moved on now so if there’s fractures due to that issue they should be resolved.

Every club has players who earn more than guys beside them and it’s not always representative of output or form. They need to grow up a bit. It’s like a child crying because their sibling got more ice cream than they did.

No other club has butchered marquee money like we did.

Disagree. Probably more than half the clubs have messed up in periods. It’s just they get out of it quicker than we have.

Name me a club has paid players as bad a Packer , Mbye and Reynolds between 700-900K for four years at the same time.

The Dogs a few years ago. They had Tony Williams, Trent Hodkinson and Greg Eastwood on the books at similar figures.

The Dogs haven’t made the finals for the past 5 years, during that time they are onto their third coach.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Sheens set to be handed keys to the car as Tigers finalise review
Michael Chammas
By Michael Chammas
September 13, 2021 — 6.40pm

Tim Sheens is set to be handed the keys to the castle, regardless of whether the Wests Tigers decide to sack Michael Maguire in the coming days.

The club on Monday finalised its end-of-season review, with the board to be presented a copy of the report before a decision is made on Maguire’s future.

Sources with knowledge of the situation told the Herald that Sheens, the joint venture’s only premiership-winning coach of the past 22 seasons, is expected to be promoted into a coaching director role regardless of whether Maguire stays on or is axed.

The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.

Maguire was unaware of Sheens’ appointment before the board signed off on it earlier in the year.

The Tigers are yet to decide whether Maguire is part of their plans, but Sheens is viewed as the ideal foil for a rookie coach.

There is a widely held view within the game that Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo is the perfect fit for the Tigers if they were to move in a different direction, but his management has told the Herald Ciraldo won’t entertain other opportunities until Penrith’s season comes to an end.

That could be this weekend if they lose their semi-final against Parramatta in the western Sydney showdown in Mackay on Saturday night.

However, Ciraldo may not be in a position to discuss his future until after the October 3 grand final if Penrith knock off the Eels this weekend and the Storm in the preliminary final the following Saturday.

The Tigers - who are due to start pre-season in seven weeks - may not be able to wait that long, which will create a conundrum for the club’s directors as they look to finalise plans for the 2022 season.

Tariq Sims, Adam Elliott and Aaron Woods have all been linked to the club, however the Tigers have put a hold on recruitment and retention decisions until a position is finalised on the coach for next year.

The review was conducted by the club's football committee, which includes chairman Lee Hagipantelis, chief executive Justin Pascoe, general manager Adam Hartigan, board member Danny Stapleton and Sheens.

In a recent interview with the Herald, Hagipantelis didn’t hide his displeasure with the club’s results under Maguire in 2021.

“There will be a specific focus on the football department with an emphasis on this year’s results,” chairman Lee Hagipantelis said of the club’s review, which has now been finalised.

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“The results do not reflect the financial commitment and investment that this club has made to the football department, nor the potential of what we believe to be a very exciting young roster. Difficult questions need to be asked, but more importantly they must be answered.”

The Herald last week reported damning revelations that surfaced from the Wests Tigers’ end-of-season review, casting serious doubt over the coach’s defensive strategies at the club.

The Herald learned that a common theme that emerged from interviews with players and staff was a belief from some that Maguire has been unable to communicate a definitive defensive system to improve the team.

It’s hoped the appointment of Sheens to a coaching director role will help ease some of those concerns.

 

[mike]

Punt the chairman

I live how fitter has not been ripping into us this time round. Coincidence he stop since blues no 1 sponsor joined our board?

Mate, he is waiting for a job.

How does everyone think Fittler would go as an NRL coach?

I may be wrong, but I think Bare Foot Freddie would be a dud.

An absolute dud. There is a reason he was sacked from the Roosters, he’s no good. Could not even get the best NSW SOO team up last year and NSW should have won 3 blot this year. Freddy lives in Freddy’s world.

 

[Needaname]

Another Michael Chammas report on 9. He’s got an unhealthy obsession with us.

Nothing much in it apart from Cameron Ciraldo supposedly being an option but refusing to talk to us while Penrith are in the finals.

Even the newsreader suggested it was all “pretty thin”.

Tune in to 100% footy tonight if you want to hear it from the horses mouth.

 

[GarryOwen]

NOt sure how I feel about Madge being safe TBH. I really like him as a bloke and have long been a supporter, but it does get to a point where you wonder where the improvement is coming from. Also wonder how its going to improve recruitment.

I was probably hoping for a change of coach but having said that it would depend a hell of a lot on who the replacement was. Would prefer Madge over Flanno, Morris, Green. Would prefer Ciraldo or Bennet over Madge.

This is where I'm at. I would have thought he'd be gone, but the alternative names don't really excite me at all (outside of Bennett, which doesn't seem possible anyway).
If we can continue on the path of recruiting these young guys, and fix the frontline recruitment then we should be ok. I would certainly hope they've done their homework on the latter.
Marge's lack of adaptation to the modern game concerns me tbh, but hopefully some movement around him can modernise our thinking a bit. Wishful thinking perhaps.

 

[Spartan117]

Have we sacked him yet ?

We better not have.

 

[Needaname]

After reading the Chammas clip. I’m happy to hear that Sheens is getting closer to the action. What comes next though is two possible outcomes.
A strong Senior relationship in the coaching ranks with Madge happy to use Sheens to bounce ideas off and happy to have shared responsibility feeling more comfortable in his role.
OR
An awkward Gus / Griffin, Ivan scenario where by being a senior coach he is insistent on doing things his way and is likely feeling restrained by the club in his own role.

 

[Spartan117]

I heard brooks wasn’t happy with the outcome of the review.

Brooksy has been the same stagnated #7 for the majority of his tenure.

Nice bloke but not the guy to take a team deep into the finals.

 

[hsvjones]

Can anyone point out anything that Madge has started that can’t be built upon by a new coach next year? To me it’s not as if changing coaches will delay us by months or years, it will make no difference. We’re basically starting off preseason with a clean slate regardless.

Surely that's pretty naive considering what we just went through post-Ivan?

What were the worst and most damaging outcomes of having Cleary walk out? It was the sudden and dramatic change in roster strategy, coaching style, potential long-term planning for the first grade and junior players.

Name the players brought to the club during the short period of Ivan Cleary's tenure 03/Apr/17 to 28/Oct/18?

* Packer - huge financial drain and flop after his first season
* Robbie Rochow - managed about half a decent year, then fell right off
* Pita Godinet - no further comment
* Matulino - tried hard, medically retired
* Josh Reynolds - tried hard, always injured, waste of money
* Fonua - average output
* Moses Mbye - never matched his pay packet
* Tyson Gamble - barely used
* Ryan Matterson - signed under Ivan, quit after a year
* Oliver Clarke - average backup
* Chris McQueen - also probably not an Ivan-initated signing, but must have been okayed as he signed after Ivan was named coach (2 weeks)
* Tui Lolohea - played 19 matches only
* MWZ - played 25 matches, followed Ivan back to Penrith, now retired
* Twal - technically joined during Ivan's time (4 weeks after), probably not initiated by Ivan, but a good get
* Corey Thompson - fine player, no issues
* Momirovski - also no issue with that signing

Development players
* Kane Bradley - gone
* Jock Madden - average halves backup (technically not development)
* Zac Cini - very average back
* Tommy Talau - probably long-term first grade capable
* Alex Seyfarth - probably most improved under Madge

It can be said without argument that the vast majority of signings made under Cleary were bad long-term outcomes for Tigers, and most of the average short-termers were moved on under Madge.

Whether or not you agree with Tigers moving on Momirovski, Thompson, Gamble etc., the fact remains they were not retained under the new regime.

And that's the primary issue. Change the coach and you end up crossing through about half (or more) of your roster, who were bought for a specific purpose to play under a specific strategy. This is especially true of a low-ranked club like Tigers who are trying to cobble together a competitive roster and don't have the luxury of a significant number of experienced / rep-level players who can maintain the club culture and their own personal output during a change in head coach.

If we sack Madge, so be it, but we can't be naive that a significant number of his decisions may be significantly negatively impacted. The new coach is very unlikely to be a consistently proven top-tier coach, who would be most likely to be able to get better outcomes from an unchanged roster. Instead it's likely to be a middle-range coach (at best), who would look to stamp their mark on the roster and shake up the style of play.

That "shake up" will not work with a significant number of the average NRL players we have, and the work with those players will be lost. It happens every time you change head coach, the roster gets overhauled by default. You might well say that's a good thing, but it's not as if we get a clean slate - we will have a Maguire hangover for at least 12-18 months.

Agree mate on this one..
If a new coach comes in now with a pretty open Salary cap for the 1st time in 3 years and a lot of the dead wood gone he will look good. I have been saying this for a while but Madge has come in and done all the dirty work to build the club from the bottom and I personally think he deserves a shot at the glory part of it. A lot of the young ones come here to work with hi m as well.

 

[Krammy]

The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.

**The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.**
This to me is a really significant part of that article. If true, I am really happy with it. Madge will have no choice but to work closely with Sheens and a young coach will benefit from his experience and knowledge of the club.

 

[Tigersbest]

The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.

**The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.**
This to me is a really significant part of that article. If true, I am really happy with it. Madge will have no choice but to work closely with Sheens and a young coach will benefit from his experience and knowledge of the club.

This article makes me thing we are going to chance Cameron ciraldo as our coach

 

[Yossarian]

Another Michael Chammas report on 9. He’s got an unhealthy obsession with us.

Nothing much in it apart from Cameron Ciraldo supposedly being an option but refusing to talk to us while Penrith are in the finals.

Even the newsreader suggested it was all “pretty thin”.

Tune in to 100% footy tonight if you want to hear it from the horses mouth.

I think I’m a bit over the whole thing. Someone will give me a nudge when we make a decision.

 

[Tigercrb]

The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.

**The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.**
This to me is a really significant part of that article. If true, I am really happy with it. Madge will have no choice but to work closely with Sheens and a young coach will benefit from his experience and knowledge of the club.

This article makes me thing we are going to chance Cameron ciraldo as our coach

Ciraldo is the only coach out there worth moving Madge on for. All other options are not worth it.

I know it sounds ruthless, but need to enquire Ciraldos interest. If he is keen, then we make the move I think. If he isn't, Madge is still the best option available

The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.

**The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.**
This to me is a really significant part of that article. If true, I am really happy with it. Madge will have no choice but to work closely with Sheens and a young coach will benefit from his experience and knowledge of the club.

This article makes me thing we are going to chance Cameron ciraldo as our coach

Ciraldo is the only one worth moving on from Madge for. All other options are poop.
Something about Ciraldo, players really want to play for him.
Need to discreetly sound him out. If he isn't interested, ride on with Madge.

 

[cochise]

I’d take Flanagan as an assistant if he is keen

I don’t want Flanagan anywhere near our youth.

Finally something we can agree on mate lol

 

[851]

The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.

**The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.**
This to me is a really significant part of that article. If true, I am really happy with it. Madge will have no choice but to work closely with Sheens and a young coach will benefit from his experience and knowledge of the club.

This article makes me thing we are going to chance Cameron ciraldo as our coach

BUZZ reckons we are waiting on Ciraldo, he said this on NRL 360 tonight, I sure hope he is on the money

 

[Needaname]

The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.

**The club believes Sheens’ experience will be invaluable to the club’s football department, with his role to be increased significantly in the coming weeks to oversee the coaching ranks.**
This to me is a really significant part of that article. If true, I am really happy with it. Madge will have no choice but to work closely with Sheens and a young coach will benefit from his experience and knowledge of the club.

This article makes me thing we are going to chance Cameron ciraldo as our coach

BUZZ reckons we are waiting on Ciraldo, he said this on NRL 360 tonight, I sure hope he is on the money

He is going to bring Kikau with him. Look out.