Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

@mike said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477369) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477365) said:
@supercoach said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477335) said:
The way I see it the club has two options and everyday they delay making the call the more damage is being done that may be difficult to repair.

Option one…sack Madge and appoint a new coach, and hope like hell the new coach will be able to attract winners and turn the joint around.

Option Two…Keep Madge, get behind him and back him 100%, get him a proven defensive coach as a assistant and get him a attacking coach who also has runs on the board. They also have to make sure Madge is happy to have Sheens over seeing the joint, and if Hartigan is still around, Madge and him have to patch up their working relationship.

Option A looks the easy fix, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t, and we have been down this track so many times and got the same result.

I particularly agree. But my two options differ and it centres around Madge.
1. Back him
2. Agree to part.

What the club has planned after that should not factor in the decision.

If they see Madge as part of the solution keep him.
If they see him as part of the problem, remove him.

2. You would hope they had at least lined up
a replacement. It would be pretty stupid to let Maguire go and have no NRL coach who wants to come here for 2022.

IMO we're only going to get a media beat down out of sacking Madge and appeasing seemingly the entire NRL media/journalism sector (who need an overhaul/good look internally themselves).

Because when we inevitably cave and make the weak decision that many on here are absolutely baying for, they'll be able to wipe their hands of this 'drama' and totally escape any warranted criticism or just bury their heads in the sand...

This is not supposed to be a decision taken lightly and most definitely NOT swayed by public opinion, even many of our players don't deserve a say.
 
@bula said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477370) said:
@jirskyr said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477351) said:
@blackwhitegold said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477295) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477264) said:
@blackwhitegold said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477258) said:
I understand there is a lot at play in this decision but I reckon the Board needs to show some backbone in backing in Madge. He has been all about the future, fixing the player contract mess & setting us for long-term success. Fans & media get so fixated on the 'now' but should be looking at where we are heading.

1) Look at our Jersey Flegg result this season (and the potential Panthers-like era we could have if we keep these mates together)
2) Look at our recent junior recruitment (Simpkin, Saukurus, Fautimaus etc)
3) Look at our junior stars coming through (Solomone Saukuru, Brandon Tumeth, Justin Matamua to name a few)
4) Look at our good buys in recent seasons (Utoikamanu, Blore, Doeuhi, Laurie, Maumolo, Tuilagi, Simpkins)

To me our team has only a few key parts of the puzzle to assemble (2-3 players with leadership, experience, intensity & aggression in forward pack & halves; some x-factor with strong defence in the backline; and some good assistant coaching support for Madge). We have Sheens, Hastings, Gildart coming in which can all be positives.

Don't get sucked in by the media's focus on headlines & creating disunity.

We need to stay true & let Madge see out his contract. Otherwise the vicious circle starts again!

Keeping Madge for 2 more years will destroy the club to the point of no return. We need someone who can attract players, coach well or preferably both. His last 5 seasons have proven he can't coach in the modern game.

I think the concept of "the modern game" is a myth and is entirely overused.

How do we define "the modern game"? 2021 only? The past 2 years? The past 3 years? The predicted forthcoming season?

Surely we can argue, given the ARLC's recent affinity for fiddling with the rules, there has scarcely been any sustained period of established rugby league paradigm. It always flips and flops between defence-focused, attack-focused, wrestle-focus, refs heavy touch , refs light touch etc. Part of the beauty of the game is the unpredictable nature of play and which styles dominate in a given season. Part of the frustration of the game is that the controlling body feel compelled to tweak rules to improve the TV spectacle.

However in contrast the the unpredictable football styles, the dominating teams have become all-too predictable - a core 4 or 5 teams for at least a period of 3 to 4 years, with some teams rarely falling out of the top echelon and, by corollary, some teams rarely making it into the top echelon.

I think this is another argument against the concept of "the modern game": if certain clubs are able to maintain a stranglehold on the competition, it argues that the current paradigm / "modern game" is a less relevant predictor than the established flexibility and mental/physical domination of the best sides and coaches.

In other words, the best rosters win regardless of prevailing conditions, because they adapt to those conditions.

And none of this is even considering the long-term impact of COVID, including player bubbles, player mental health, relocations, family separations and lack of lower grade play etc.

There's certainly no argument to support an idea that a younger or newer coach is more "in tune" with the modern game - the most successful coaches (and the ones currently left in season 2021) are also the 3 oldest, barring Ivan Cleary.

There's also an assumption, within the idea of "modern game", that it is predictable, i.e. that the rules and rule interpretations will not change and that most sides will handle those conditions in a similar manner to the previous seasons. Clearly this wildly speculative and the previous seasons have in fact shown great variability in the way the game is played and policed.

Aside, of course, from the fundamentals - that the fastest, strongest, toughest and most skilful sides tend to be the best, regardless of variations in what comprises "the modern game".

So ultimately I think the argument of "a modern game" against a coach, or even for a coach, is misguided. Specific to Madge, I think the history of the Wests Tigers and the known abilities of the current roster are far more predictive than the concept of whether or not Michael Maguire knows and can coach to the prevailing paradigm. Aren't people always telling me that it's a simple game and you just need to bash the opposition?

Before he died, The Don was asked if he would score as many runs in "the modern game". His answer went something along the lines of '''No, I wouldn't. Back then the pitches were flatter, the outfields were quicker and the bowlers didnt watch videos of you. But I would still score more runs than the next bloke." Winners gonna win. Losers gonna lose.

I dont think this is a real quote for many reasons.

Firstly the pitches werent flatter, they played on unprotected pitches that were much harder to bat on than the current roads, the outfields werent faster.

The quote I have read attributed to him went along the lines of, "these days they have video analysis, professional training, but of course I m 80 years old"
 
@mike said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477369) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477365) said:
@supercoach said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477335) said:
The way I see it the club has two options and everyday they delay making the call the more damage is being done that may be difficult to repair.

Option one…sack Madge and appoint a new coach, and hope like hell the new coach will be able to attract winners and turn the joint around.

Option Two…Keep Madge, get behind him and back him 100%, get him a proven defensive coach as a assistant and get him a attacking coach who also has runs on the board. They also have to make sure Madge is happy to have Sheens over seeing the joint, and if Hartigan is still around, Madge and him have to patch up their working relationship.

Option A looks the easy fix, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t, and we have been down this track so many times and got the same result.

I particularly agree. But my two options differ and it centres around Madge.
1. Back him
2. Agree to part.

What the club has planned after that should not factor in the decision.

If they see Madge as part of the solution keep him.
If they see him as part of the problem, remove him.

2. You would hope they had at least lined up
a replacement. It would be pretty stupid to let Maguire go and have no NRL coach who wants to come here for 2022.

So your suggesting they keep Madge on even if they decided he is not part of their future but only because all the better candidates are not interested?

Are you forgetting we have Sheens?

I would be more in favour of Sheens doing a John Lang (like at Souths) for a year whilst the club gets their proverbial together and does a full scale long and detailed search for their future coach rather than keep Madge on.

* on the basis that the club has made a determination that Madge is not part of the future *
 
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477045) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477041) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477038) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He also claimed he would fix the defence, he failed miserably on both counts
 
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477052) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477048) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477046) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477045) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477041) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477038) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

Madge was fully aware of the cap when he signed, he had been sacked from souths after winning the premiership, he made claims he couldn't back up, that in any other job gets you out the door
 
@mighty_tiger said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477309) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477297) said:
@blackwhitegold said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477295) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477264) said:
@blackwhitegold said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477258) said:
I understand there is a lot at play in this decision but I reckon the Board needs to show some backbone in backing in Madge. He has been all about the future, fixing the player contract mess & setting us for long-term success. Fans & media get so fixated on the 'now' but should be looking at where we are heading.

1) Look at our Jersey Flegg result this season (and the potential Panthers-like era we could have if we keep these mates together)
2) Look at our recent junior recruitment (Simpkin, Saukurus, Fautimaus etc)
3) Look at our junior stars coming through (Solomone Saukuru, Brandon Tumeth, Justin Matamua to name a few)
4) Look at our good buys in recent seasons (Utoikamanu, Blore, Doeuhi, Laurie, Maumolo, Tuilagi, Simpkins)

To me our team has only a few key parts of the puzzle to assemble (2-3 players with leadership, experience, intensity & aggression in forward pack & halves; some x-factor with strong defence in the backline; and some good assistant coaching support for Madge). We have Sheens, Hastings, Gildart coming in which can all be positives.

Don't get sucked in by the media's focus on headlines & creating disunity.

We need to stay true & let Madge see out his contract. Otherwise the vicious circle starts again!

Keeping Madge for 2 more years will destroy the club to the point of no return. We need someone who can attract players, coach well or preferably both. His last 5 seasons have proven he can't coach in the modern game.

I disagree. I believe with the right support around him & an incoming Tim Sheens, Madge can coach to the modern game. His squad has lacked experience & some of the ingredients I mentioned above to execute what he wants effectively.

He's had three years to show us something. He's been given a fair chance, it's time for him to go imo.

He did show us something - decreasing performances, bad recruitment, ordinary coaching staff, terrible retention choices, shocking nrl experienced recruiting and his inability to motivate the team.

People keep saying give him time to get rid of the deadwood - what deadwood? Nofa, Brooks, Lids?? He extended all of them, they have all changed there playing style dramatically under Madge as well - its not as though they don’t listen to him. He got rid of Matto, Momo and Josh - all who couldn’t play for him but good enough for top 4 teams. Momo was shifted to Melb and Panthers. Good enough for both top 2 sides. We already had Laurie wrapped up for 2022 with 2 flops of centers Madge recruited but still said goodbye.

Madge has has 3yrs, he has $1.5m to spend next year, we have struggled all year with clear roster issues & he has zero players signed for next year. He has no pulling power that makes players go - yes I want to play for you.

We can blame things on others which there are others at the club that must go but the fact is Madge isn’t the right fit for the wests tigers.

Great Post agree whole heartidly in everything in your post
 
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477379) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477052) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477048) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477046) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477045) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477041) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477038) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

Madge was fully aware of the cap when he signed, he had been sacked from souths after winning the premiership, he made claims he couldn't back up, that in any other job gets you out the door

I cant believe that the leverage for getting Madge is changing to "he made claims he couldnt back up".

What he said doesnt matter, Im sure he meant it.

Performance is all that matters. For me our defence is the clincher.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477381) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477379) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477052) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477048) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477046) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477045) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477041) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477038) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

Madge was fully aware of the cap when he signed, he had been sacked from souths after winning the premiership, he made claims he couldn't back up, that in any other job gets you out the door

I cant believe that the leverage for getting Madge is changing to "he made claims he couldnt back up".

What he said doesnt matter, Im sure he meant it.

Performance is all that matters. For me our defence is the clincher.

That was my fault.
 
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477075) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477073) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477070) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477068) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477065) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477063) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477061) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477058) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477054) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477052) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477048) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477046) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477045) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477041) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477038) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

We offered Latrel $1.2M?

And he ran for the hills, didn’t want to be a one man band at an amateur operation.

I thought the cap was stuffed? We haven't spent to the cap while he has been here.

So the cap wasn’t stuffed because we failed to sign Latrell?

We haven't spent to the cap while he was here, we had enough to offer Latrel $1.2m. He is shifting the blame, has been doing it for months.

Good players want to win. Latrell turned down good coin because he (his manager) could see we weren’t in a salary cap position to significantly improve the roster around him. It’s just common sense mate. Feels like youre a bit blinded by friendships.

lol, never seen you say one negative thing about Madge and I am blinded.

So having $1,2 to spend is a stuffed cap, what is it we have now $1.6? Don't think an extra $400k is much if our cap was stuffed

It is when you have got about 15 players in your roster who wouldn’t get a gig at another good club. Why would I bag Madge when I have consistently said for years that management is the issue as they can’t assemble an NRL roster for any coach.

As I have told you before, more than 1 thing can be wrong at the same time and I am sorry to tell you that Madge is one of the things wrong at this club.

It is plain as day, Madge isn't the only problem, but he is a problem, he needs to go and so do others
 
@demps said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476564) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476563) said:
@demps said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476561) said:
@weststigerman said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476554) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476549) said:
@weststigerman said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476547) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476544) said:
@gallagher said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476543) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476532) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476530) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476528) said:
@demps said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476520) said:
@gnr4life said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476517) said:
Heard the same optimism when Madge was linked to us. It’s going to end in tears whoever it is. If it’s Flanagan, when he fails it will be his fault.

7 Kyle Flannagan ?

The threads are going to be great.

Kyle played a lot of his junior footy at hooker like his father.

Your not suggesting he would be a better hooker than Liddle?

No. I believe there were unrealistic expectations placed upon him when he signed with the Roosters. I believe he has much to offer in the utility role. Also you get Kyle, his mate will most likely end up with him.

Who's that?

Bronson Xerri.

May as well rename the "Centre of Excellence" to the "Centre of Enhancements".

Admit it though, a centre pairing of Xerri and Scott would have most WTs' fans salivating. Perhaps the best centre pairing in the NRL.

Nah I think I'd prefer Burton and Crichton. I'd want to see how good Xerri is without the juice.

He's been training with Roger Fabri.
Saw the footage.

Looks as fast as ever and extremely shredded.
He looks very motivated for his return with some stories he's posted, specifically one with a screen shot of people calling him a roid user, etc with the caption "you'll all be wrong" or something along those lines.

He will he the best centre in the game in 2024.

Both Shire products, Xerri from Menai/Illawong and Scott from Bundeena. I'd like to see them back on the footy field.

And it just so happens that the Tigers need some centres.

??

pretty sure i saw an article saying he was going to trial for nfl :face_with_rolling_eyes:
 
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477101) said:
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@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477081) said:
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@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477077) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477075) said:
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@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477070) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477068) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477065) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477063) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477061) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477058) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477054) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477052) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477048) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477046) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477045) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477041) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477038) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

We offered Latrel $1.2M?

And he ran for the hills, didn’t want to be a one man band at an amateur operation.

I thought the cap was stuffed? We haven't spent to the cap while he has been here.

So the cap wasn’t stuffed because we failed to sign Latrell?

We haven't spent to the cap while he was here, we had enough to offer Latrel $1.2m. He is shifting the blame, has been doing it for months.

Good players want to win. Latrell turned down good coin because he (his manager) could see we weren’t in a salary cap position to significantly improve the roster around him. It’s just common sense mate. Feels like youre a bit blinded by friendships.

lol, never seen you say one negative thing about Madge and I am blinded.

So having $1,2 to spend is a stuffed cap, what is it we have now $1.6? Don't think an extra $400k is much if our cap was stuffed

It is when you have got about 15 players in your roster who wouldn’t get a gig at another good club. Why would I bag Madge when I have consistently said for years that management is the issue as they can’t assemble an NRL roster for any coach.

As I have told you before, more than 1 thing can be wrong at the same time and I am sorry to tell you that Madge is one of the things wrong at this club.

And when they replace him and the new bloke struggles will it be his fault too? And the coach after that?

No you work on fixing the others as well, now is the time to fix the coach, not waste another year on someone who you need to replace anyway.

The board and admin issues need to be fixed, so does the roster, but those are going to take more time. The coach that actually has the defense getting worse needs to be replaced. Who would have thought that when we finished something like the last 10 games last year conceding at least 30 points a game that the defense would actually be worse this year? It is crazy to thinks about, there were points this year where Madge basically admitted he didn't know why it was happening.

I could have told him,to stop banging your head against a brick wall with senior players who dont give a stuff

It wasn't just the senior players though, AD at times had no idea what he was doing in defence, Talua as well. We very rarely defend as a team, its individuals making individual decisions. We were so passive in defence, not just some players but as a team, we would wrap the ball up and hold guys upright when the current game is won in the collision. Our defense was outdated and excuted poorly.

Club signs overweight fringe dragons first grader and expects him to lock up an edge over 80 mins. Club needs to stop expecting leopards to change their spots.

Madge should not of signed him then, or coached him to defend better, or even replaced him when he gets tired and lazy, Madge failed at every level with him. This just strengthens the argument Madge is not the coach for us, the players you speak of Madge signed or re-signed, so who is responsible for that
 
what if we sack madge and nobody wants the job?
we already struggle to sign players, what if the coach doesn't want to sign up incase we continue to struggle signing guys
 
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477102) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477101) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477086) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477081) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477080) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477077) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477075) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477073) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477070) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477068) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477065) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477063) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477061) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477058) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477054) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477052) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477048) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477046) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477045) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477041) said:
@cochise said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477038) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

We offered Latrel $1.2M?

And he ran for the hills, didn’t want to be a one man band at an amateur operation.

I thought the cap was stuffed? We haven't spent to the cap while he has been here.

So the cap wasn’t stuffed because we failed to sign Latrell?

We haven't spent to the cap while he was here, we had enough to offer Latrel $1.2m. He is shifting the blame, has been doing it for months.

Good players want to win. Latrell turned down good coin because he (his manager) could see we weren’t in a salary cap position to significantly improve the roster around him. It’s just common sense mate. Feels like youre a bit blinded by friendships.

lol, never seen you say one negative thing about Madge and I am blinded.

So having $1,2 to spend is a stuffed cap, what is it we have now $1.6? Don't think an extra $400k is much if our cap was stuffed

It is when you have got about 15 players in your roster who wouldn’t get a gig at another good club. Why would I bag Madge when I have consistently said for years that management is the issue as they can’t assemble an NRL roster for any coach.

As I have told you before, more than 1 thing can be wrong at the same time and I am sorry to tell you that Madge is one of the things wrong at this club.

And when they replace him and the new bloke struggles will it be his fault too? And the coach after that?

No you work on fixing the others as well, now is the time to fix the coach, not waste another year on someone who you need to replace anyway.

The board and admin issues need to be fixed, so does the roster, but those are going to take more time. The coach that actually has the defense getting worse needs to be replaced. Who would have thought that when we finished something like the last 10 games last year conceding at least 30 points a game that the defense would actually be worse this year? It is crazy to thinks about, there were points this year where Madge basically admitted he didn't know why it was happening.

I could have told him,to stop banging your head against a brick wall with senior players who dont give a stuff

It wasn't just the senior players though, AD at times had no idea what he was doing in defence, Talua as well. We very rarely defend as a team, its individuals making individual decisions. We were so passive in defence, not just some players but as a team, we would wrap the ball up and hold guys upright when the current game is won in the collision. Our defense was outdated and excuted poorly.

Club signs overweight fringe dragons first grader and expects him to lock up an edge over 80 mins. Club needs to stop expecting leopards to change their spots.

Then drop him, put him on the bench at least. Who's decision would that be?

Absolutely. It is the way he is being used. He is a good player. A case of the coach not knowing or not wanting to know his player's strengths.
 
@davey_farrell said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477396) said:
Wolfe and the other coaches in the UK would love a start as a NRL club, even our Tigers

that's all well and good, but if they aren't equipped for the job then we shouldn't be looking at them. the Super League isn't exactly renowned for its defence, we need a coach that ensures we are able to defend our line and hold our nerve.
 
@tiger-ferret said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477367) said:
@mike said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477339) said:
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@rihannafan1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476974) said:
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@tony-soprano said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476951) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476938) said:
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@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476924) said:
@jc99 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1476900) said:
Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

Means nothing. Only lays out terms and conditions if he signs. It does not mean in any way shape or form that he will sign.

Sorry, that was tongue in cheek. Referring to the last situation that happened ?

I figured it might be but it means nothing, just like last time.
 
@nuggetron said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477394) said:
what if we sack madge and nobody wants the job?
we already struggle to sign players, what if the coach doesn't want to sign up incase we continue to struggle signing guys

@TheDaBoss steps in and sorts it out.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477152) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477151) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477037) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477035) said:
@hugh1954 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477029) said:
Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.


That is your opinion but it certainly is not mine.Certainly things need to change but i dont believe its the coach that needs to go.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477293) said:
@ccwt said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477193) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477187) said:
@ccwt said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477175) said:
@cqtiger said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477164) said:
@tigerwest said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477163) said:
I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?
 
@ccwt said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477407) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477293) said:
@ccwt said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477193) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477187) said:
@ccwt said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477175) said:
@cqtiger said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477164) said:
@tigerwest said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477163) said:
I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.
 

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