Magpies NSW cup coach change

[batboy]

So for the 2013, what will people's thoughts be when the other side of the joint venture don't sign off on a Wests Tigers State Cup team in preference to fielding team to carry there name & 100+ year history? Will they be also be ridiculed by the big hitters on this forum?

IMO nothing will change next year. Balmain will decide to field a team. Wests Ashfield will then decide to field a Wests Magpies team (on a limited budget) …. over to you Wests Tigers.... will you field your own team against them (since the NSWRL now recognise you as a district club) and let them die by starving both of second tier cap/ NRL players/ and resources ... or will you select Balmain RE again.

Like sand through the hour glass...

Or alternatively the Commision brings back reserve grade??
I wouldn't write that scenario off just yet!!
PROBLEM SOLVED!!

 

[galahs]

That indeed would be the best solution.

All they would have to do to ensurte juniors are signed up is… You need to contract 50 players.
At least 25 of them must be under 20 years of age.

Problem solved.

Then the NSW Cup competition can return to being a district rep level of football

 

[magpiecol]

I'm trying not to sound harsh , but what will this fix ??

Leo doesn't have the cattle to work with the same as Trevor didn't

I still maintain it is a disgrace what has happened For me this is still the darkest time in Wests Tigers history and they should not of let it get to this stage

To let the Wests Magpies end like this is disgusting and I hope the people who let it happen are proud of themselves

At least they could of let us die with some dignity

As sad as it is, didn't the Magpies do this to themselves?

Wests Tigers made a decision for its long term brand, but the Magpies rebuked any support and chose to field a team in the NSW Cup on their own.

Beleive all the fluff peices you like, but this is the outcome of their actions, their actions alone?!

What a load of crap!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So for the 2013, what will people's thoughts be when the other side of the joint venture don't sign off on a Wests Tigers State Cup team in preference to fielding team to carry there name & 100+ year history? Will they be also be ridiculed by the big hitters on this forum?

IMO nothing will change next year. Balmain will decide to field a team. Wests Ashfield will then decide to field a Wests Magpies team (on a limited budget) …. over to you Wests Tigers.... will you field your own team against them (since the NSWRL now recognise you as a district club) and let them die by starving both of second tier cap/ NRL players/ and resources ... or will you select Balmain RE again.

Like sand through the hour glass...

WT should have a single State Cup team, training at Concord, playing out of Campbelltown.

Wests and Balmain can then reduce costs by playing senior teams in the Bundy Cup. Balmain and Wests then still have senior representation at a fraction of the cost, WT have a streamlined setup, Campbelltown has a permanent presence.

Given Balmain's financial situation I would think it will be foolish to field another standalone NSW Cup side, and I would stand against the move.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

So for the 2013, what will people's thoughts be when the other side of the joint venture don't sign off on a Wests Tigers State Cup team in preference to fielding team to carry there name & 100+ year history? Will they be also be ridiculed by the big hitters on this forum?

**IMO nothing will change next year. Balmain will decide to field a team**. Wests Ashfield will then decide to field a Wests Magpies team (on a limited budget) …. over to you Wests Tigers.... will you field your own team against them (since the NSWRL now recognise you as a district club) and let them die by starving both of second tier cap/ NRL players/ and resources ... or will you select Balmain RE again.

Like sand through the hour glass...

That would pretty much P me off…

After the past 2 years and all the statements that have been made late last year and early this year by the Wests Tigers in relation to this matter, the WT have no option but to move forward with 1 team from 2013.

If Balmain attempt to remain, they would make WT's look stupid and as a result, WT's would have no choice but to cut BRET off!!!

 

[happy_tiger]

I am hoping all 16 clubs must have reserve grade sides in 2013 and we can go back to three games

NYC (Changed to Under 22)

Reserve Grade

NRL

My only concern is how we would get 3 grades in before 7.30 for a Friday Night Game

 

[wtfl1981]

Speaking of Myths…
This "2 Feeder sides won us the Comp in 05" Garbage we hear time and time again
IS THE BIGGEST myth!!!
We used 26 players in 05, 17 of them won the comp.
Anyone who makes claims that:
Using 2 Props, 3 Centre/Wingers, 2 Fullback/Wingers, 1 Half and 1 Back Rower outside your starting team, Over the course of the season a) Had any bearing on us winning the premiership or b) cant be accomplished from 1 feeder team is absolutely outside thier mind.
One could argue that almost every other team that's won it since the dawn of time, Did it with one reserve grade team.... So we should only have one??
2 feeder teams is stupidity!!

_Ray Cashmere: 3 Games off the Bench
Dean Collis: 6 Games (4 off bench)
Matt Jobson: 4 Games (2off Bench)
Bronson Harrison: 19 Games (18 off bench)
Shannon McDonnell: 1 Game
Robert Miles: 3 Games (1 off bench)
Ben Reynolds: 1 Game off Bench
Matt Rieck: 6 Games
John Wilson: 10 Games (3 off bench)_

I'm certain if ALL our ressies from 05 came from the same side (Be it one or the other) We's have still got up...
So stop shovelling garbage!!

I'm trying not to sound harsh , but what will this fix ??

Leo doesn't have the cattle to work with the same as Trevor didn't

I still maintain it is a disgrace what has happened For me this is still the darkest time in Wests Tigers history and they should not of let it get to this stage

To let the Wests Magpies end like this is disgusting and I hope the people who let it happen are proud of themselves

At least they could of let us die with some dignity

As sad as it is, didn't the Magpies do this to themselves?

Wests Tigers made a decision for its long term brand, but the Magpies rebuked any support and chose to field a team in the NSW Cup on their own.

Beleive all the fluff peices you like, but this is the outcome of their actions, their actions alone?!

Not as black and white (excuse the pun) as that…

2 nsw cup teams worked well for WT for a decade providing a pathway to success to WT nrl level. Brought WT a premiership in 2005

Come 2011, all wests (macarthur based) bred quality players are sent to balmain as the now default feeder side to WT (at the demise of wests player strength)

Come 2012, WT take over financial running of BRET (balmain are in financial trouble) and as a result have a better players and resources to run a nsw cup team.

So WSDRLFC despite all the setbacks and being shafted in its role in the JV are forced into bailing out a broke balmain fc to form a Single wt team at nsw cup level. Killing off the magpies brand and losing it to the dominate tigers brand once more. Magpies FC resisted and want to remain a football club unlike balmain fc where the tigers brand of WT and tigers brand of BRET is hard to distinguish and seperate

One brand ideology is a myth. Roosters are linked to jets, dragons to cutters, souths to norths, parra to wenty, penrith to windsor etc

Ashfield has been committed to supporting both WT and a magpies nsw cup team. Balmain fc cannot do the same...

Magpies have paid the price - but thank mr Humphreys and mr sheens and the ignorant backroom decision makers for that.
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It didn't hinder WT winning the comp is the better choice of words.

A magpies nsw cup team is not a financial burden on WT the BRET team is as of this year.

Its about preserving the presence of 2 x foundation clubs v people who care about nrl level only

The WT attitude is stat based in inner west (just like balmain) keep the tigers colours, tigers name, black and gold merchandise, play at the spiritual home of leichhardt while poaching all the good bits out of the macarthur area, take the money from campbelltown leagues and ashfield leagues, travel down the m5 for 4 home games a year and leave the magpies nsw cup team with the scraps and who cares about the demise of anything to do with the legacy of both nsw cup teams…

Other 1908 clubs don't face such debauchery except balmain and wests who happen to hold a JV at nrl level
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[wtfl1981]

Speaking of Myths…
This "2 Feeder sides won us the Comp in 05" Garbage we hear time and time again
IS THE BIGGEST myth!!!
We used 26 players in 05, 17 of them won the comp.
Anyone who makes claims that:
Using 2 Props, 3 Centre/Wingers, 2 Fullback/Wingers, 1 Half and 1 Back Rower outside your starting team, Over the course of the season a) Had any bearing on us winning the premiership or b) cant be accomplished from 1 feeder team is absolutely outside thier mind.
One could argue that almost every other team that's won it since the dawn of time, Did it with one reserve grade team.... So we should only have one??
2 feeder teams is stupidity!!

_Ray Cashmere: 3 Games off the Bench
Dean Collis: 6 Games (4 off bench)
Matt Jobson: 4 Games (2off Bench)
Bronson Harrison: 19 Games (18 off bench)
Shannon McDonnell: 1 Game
Robert Miles: 3 Games (1 off bench)
Ben Reynolds: 1 Game off Bench
Matt Rieck: 6 Games
John Wilson: 10 Games (3 off bench)_

I'm certain if ALL our ressies from 05 came from the same side (Be it one or the other) We's have still got up...
So stop shovelling garbage!!

I'm trying not to sound harsh , but what will this fix ??

Leo doesn't have the cattle to work with the same as Trevor didn't

I still maintain it is a disgrace what has happened For me this is still the darkest time in Wests Tigers history and they should not of let it get to this stage

To let the Wests Magpies end like this is disgusting and I hope the people who let it happen are proud of themselves

At least they could of let us die with some dignity

As sad as it is, didn't the Magpies do this to themselves?

Wests Tigers made a decision for its long term brand, but the Magpies rebuked any support and chose to field a team in the NSW Cup on their own.

Beleive all the fluff peices you like, but this is the outcome of their actions, their actions alone?!

Not as black and white (excuse the pun) as that…

2 nsw cup teams worked well for WT for a decade providing a pathway to success to WT nrl level. Brought WT a premiership in 2005

Come 2011, all wests (macarthur based) bred quality players are sent to balmain as the now default feeder side to WT (at the demise of wests player strength)

Come 2012, WT take over financial running of BRET (balmain are in financial trouble) and as a result have a better players and resources to run a nsw cup team.

So WSDRLFC despite all the setbacks and being shafted in its role in the JV are forced into bailing out a broke balmain fc to form a Single wt team at nsw cup level. Killing off the magpies brand and losing it to the dominate tigers brand once more. Magpies FC resisted and want to remain a football club unlike balmain fc where the tigers brand of WT and tigers brand of BRET is hard to distinguish and seperate

One brand ideology is a myth. Roosters are linked to jets, dragons to cutters, souths to norths, parra to wenty, penrith to windsor etc

Ashfield has been committed to supporting both WT and a magpies nsw cup team. Balmain fc cannot do the same...

Magpies have paid the price - but thank mr Humphreys and mr sheens and the ignorant backroom decision makers for that.
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It didn't hinder WT winning the comp is the better choice of words.

A magpies nsw cup team is not a financial burden on WT the BRET team is as of this year.

Its about preserving the presence of 2 x foundation clubs v people who care about nrl level only

The WT attitude is stat based in inner west (just like balmain) keep the tigers colours, tigers name, black and gold merchandise, play at the spiritual home of leichhardt while poaching all the good bits out of the macarthur area, take the money from campbelltown leagues and ashfield leagues, travel down the m5 for 4 home games a year and leave the magpies nsw cup team with the scraps and who cares about the demise of anything to do with the legacy of both nsw cup teams…

Other 1908 clubs don't face such debauchery except balmain and wests who happen to hold a JV at nrl level
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[system]

Ok this Roarfeed quoting is all very hard to decipher.

The "financial burden" of BRET is held up by Ryde Eastwood Leagues Club and not Wests Tigers to be fair

 

[batboy]

If this is about preserving the presence of 2 foundation clubs V people who care about NRL only
Then put the Maggies and Balmain in the Bundy Cup!! Solves all the Problems does it not?
Or… Maybe that is not what it's about at all.....

 

[batboy]

Wt's have made it clear that the money would be better spent on Juniors than a 2nd / 2nd tier team…
Do you not agree with this?

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Ok this Roarfeed quoting is all very hard to decipher.

The "financial burden" of BRET is held up by Ryde Eastwood Leagues Club and not Wests Tigers to be fair

Are you just referring to admin and off field costs?

My understanding is that Wests Tigers does cover some of the player's salaries in BRET through NRL contracts.

 

[wtfl1981]

Wt's have made it clear that the money would be better spent on Juniors than a 2nd / 2nd tier team…
Do you not agree with this?

Ashfield leagues funds magpies nsw cup and WT , Campbelltown leagues funds wests junior league and helps fund WT . Balmain league funds…. Not much (juniors or nsw cup side) - due to balmain leagues its in financial ruin over rozelle site..

If balmain cant fund a nsw cup team on its own (without being a burden on WT) and ashfield is happy to financially support the magpies nsw cup team then by default the magpies should be sole feeder side to WT
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[GNR4LIFE]

So for the 2013, what will people's thoughts be when the other side of the joint venture don't sign off on a Wests Tigers State Cup team in preference to fielding team to carry there name & 100+ year history? Will they be also be ridiculed by the big hitters on this forum?

IMO nothing will change next year. Balmain will decide to field a team. Wests Ashfield will then decide to field a Wests Magpies team (on a limited budget) …. over to you Wests Tigers.... will you field your own team against them (since the NSWRL now recognise you as a district club) and let them die by starving both of second tier cap/ NRL players/ and resources ... or will you select Balmain RE again.

Like sand through the hour glass...

WT should have a single State Cup team, training at Concord, playing out of Campbelltown.

Wests and Balmain can then reduce costs by playing senior teams in the Bundy Cup. Balmain and Wests then still have senior representation at a fraction of the cost, WT have a streamlined setup, Campbelltown has a permanent presence.

Given Balmain's financial situation I would think it will be foolish to field another standalone NSW Cup side, and I would stand against the move.

The post of the thread so far

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Ashfield leagues funds magpies nsw cup and WT , Campbelltown leagues funds wests junior league and helps fund WT . Balmain league funds…. Not much (juniors or nsw cup side) - due to balmain leagues its in financial ruin over rozelle site..

If balmain cant fund a nsw cup team on its own (without being a burden on WT) and ashfield is happy to financially support the magpies nsw cup team then by default the magpies should be sole feeder side to WT

The leagues clubs only contribute to Wests Tigers in the event the JV makes a loss. Wests Ashfield and Campbelltown can do this directly as they are stakeholders. Balmain leagues does it through the football club who is a stakeholder.

The Balmain Leagues club still makes donations to the Balmain FC to fund the juniors and state cup. The issue is that for reasons that are now well publisised it is not sustainable. The centre of this whole debate is that Balmain Leagues cannot fund the Balmain juniors & state cup AND contribute to Wests Tigers (if they make a loss) for much longer. Essentially one has to give and whilst the JV is starting to turn a profit, it is not yet with any consistency such that losses and donations from Balmain and Wests are no longer required in future…....therefore cut a state cup team.

Important to remember, that Wests Ashfield will be on board with this cost cutting as well.

 

[Staks]

Was 2013 discussed at the Balmain Football club AGM ?

 

[Staks]

So for the 2013, what will people's thoughts be when the other side of the joint venture don't sign off on a Wests Tigers State Cup team in preference to fielding team to carry there name & 100+ year history? Will they be also be ridiculed by the big hitters on this forum?

IMO nothing will change next year. Balmain will decide to field a team. Wests Ashfield will then decide to field a Wests Magpies team (on a limited budget) …. over to you Wests Tigers.... will you field your own team against them (since the NSWRL now recognise you as a district club) and let them die by starving both of second tier cap/ NRL players/ and resources ... or will you select Balmain RE again.

Like sand through the hour glass...

Or alternatively the Commision brings back reserve grade??
I wouldn't write that scenario off just yet!!
PROBLEM SOLVED!!

That would make it easier. But, going off the news that came from the last CEO's meeting I doubt that will happen. It was reported that the CEO's backed the NYC to be the main feeder to the NRL.

 

[tigermaniac]

I'm trying not to sound harsh , but what will this fix ??

Leo doesn't have the cattle to work with the same as Trevor didn't

I still maintain it is a disgrace what has happened For me this is still the darkest time in Wests Tigers history and they should not of let it get to this stage

To let the Wests Magpies end like this is disgusting and I hope the people who let it happen are proud of themselves

At least they could of let us die with some dignity

As sad as it is, didn't the Magpies do this to themselves?

Wests Tigers made a decision for its long term brand, but the Magpies rebuked any support and chose to field a team in the NSW Cup on their own.

Beleive all the fluff peices you like, but this is the outcome of their actions, their actions alone?!

Not as black and white (excuse the pun) as that…

2 nsw cup teams worked well for WT for a decade providing a pathway to success to WT nrl level. Brought WT a premiership in 2005

Come 2011, all wests (macarthur based) bred quality players are sent to balmain as the now default feeder side to WT (at the demise of wests player strength)

Come 2012, WT take over financial running of BRET (balmain are in financial trouble) and as a result have a better players and resources to run a nsw cup team.

So WSDRLFC despite all the setbacks and being shafted in its role in the JV are forced into bailing out a broke balmain fc to form a Single wt team at nsw cup level. Killing off the magpies brand and losing it to the dominate tigers brand once more. Magpies FC resisted and want to remain a football club unlike balmain fc where the tigers brand of WT and tigers brand of BRET is hard to distinguish and seperate

One brand ideology is a myth. Roosters are linked to jets, dragons to cutters, souths to norths, parra to wenty, penrith to windsor etc

Ashfield has been committed to supporting both WT and a magpies nsw cup team. Balmain fc cannot do the same...

Magpies have paid the price - but thank mr Humphreys and mr sheens and the ignorant backroom decision makers for that.
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Well said wtfl1981\. What a joke.
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[Benjirific]

I'm trying not to sound harsh , but what will this fix ??

Leo doesn't have the cattle to work with the same as Trevor didn't

I still maintain it is a disgrace what has happened For me this is still the darkest time in Wests Tigers history and they should not of let it get to this stage

To let the Wests Magpies end like this is disgusting and I hope the people who let it happen are proud of themselves

At least they could of let us die with some dignity

As sad as it is, didn't the Magpies do this to themselves?

Wests Tigers made a decision for its long term brand, but the Magpies rebuked any support and chose to field a team in the NSW Cup on their own.

Beleive all the fluff peices you like, but this is the outcome of their actions, their actions alone?!

Not as black and white (excuse the pun) as that…

2 nsw cup teams worked well for WT for a decade providing a pathway to success to WT nrl level. Brought WT a premiership in 2005

Come 2011, all wests (macarthur based) bred quality players are sent to balmain as the now default feeder side to WT (at the demise of wests player strength)

Come 2012, WT take over financial running of BRET (balmain are in financial trouble) and as a result have a better players and resources to run a nsw cup team.

So WSDRLFC despite all the setbacks and being shafted in its role in the JV are forced into bailing out a broke balmain fc to form a Single wt team at nsw cup level. Killing off the magpies brand and losing it to the dominate tigers brand once more. Magpies FC resisted and want to remain a football club unlike balmain fc where the tigers brand of WT and tigers brand of BRET is hard to distinguish and seperate

One brand ideology is a myth. Roosters are linked to jets, dragons to cutters, souths to norths, parra to wenty, penrith to windsor etc

Ashfield has been committed to supporting both WT and a magpies nsw cup team. Balmain fc cannot do the same...

Magpies have paid the price - but thank mr Humphreys and mr sheens and the ignorant backroom decision makers for that.
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Well said wtfl1981\. What a joke.
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But did Wests not have the same amount of votes in this decision as Balmain did? Therefore for it to go through, Wests would have had to do it to themselves right?

Essentially, Balmain are not stubborn and ignorant enough to have a NSW Cup team that would run in competition to a Wests Tigers supported side. Wests Tigers is the way forward (brand wise, financially, football…in every sense of the phrase). Don't you think that if Wests was such a well run club and football team, WT would be crying out to be involved with them? Have a WT State Cup team, train at Concord, play wherever, and have Ryde-Eastwood involved as well - we shouldn't be preventing people who are willing to invest in our club to such a level because of petty arguments over the geographical location of their club.

 

[innsaneink]

Ok this Roarfeed quoting is all very hard to decipher.

Aye!!

Ditch it…why can we not?