Marika oh Marika

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

Everybody is blaming Lawrence for the bad defence of Koro and Tedesco when maybe it is just that they are inexperienced wingers.
To me it looks like he is coming out of the line because he doesn't trust their defence - which makes him look stupid if he misses .
Let's be honest - they may both be the current darlings of the forum but both young wingers have been guilty of some bad one on one misses which have nothing to do with Lawrence.
Not saying Lawrence is anywhere near his best but I don't think he is ready for the scrapheap like some others.

I actually thing Lawrence poor defence reads this year has ended up with Koro and Tedesco having to face 2 on 1 situations far too often this year. Lawrence lateral movement this year in defence has been very poor. You can't really blame the wingers for poor defence when the guys inside them have not numbered up right.

 

[jirskyr]

Lawrence ain't going anywhere yet unless his injury is a concern.

Lawrence's defence has always been a bit of a problem but there was a time in 2010-2011 that the way the game was refereed coincided with him getting the timing right on his rush front on defence and he became an effective defender. The rise in second man play has simply opened up old issues with his lateral movement which would be compounded by the hip dislocation and subsequent lack of speed.

He is one of the hardest working men in rugby league and I am sure he is studying footage and practicing daily to rectify this so you should all have a bit more faith in one of our best EVER players.

As for his attack, he may have lost top end pace but he still hits the line harder than most other players in the game and his speed off the mark is still very good from what I saw against St George. I guarantee if you ask defenders marking him he is not a player you want to sleep on because he has too much power and speed off the mark and will break through a weak attempt.

He still has plenty to offer but now that he seemingly lost his top end he should probably work on a late offload and a fend and his passing game. His ability to get through the line should down the line lead to plenty of tries for Koroibete.

You should all support this bloke. He's been great for us and always puts in and he bleeds our colours.

Very astute post.

In regards to his speed, he is clearly not at the level he used to be, but I wonder if he is truly a slowpoke, or whether he was just so explosively fast before that we notice the differencemore. He's probably still faster than Blake Ayshford.

He surely notices the loss of pace and that will affect his confidence and decision making, just as much as returning from a fresh injury.

I also wonder if it's more to do with hamstrings perhaps, which he has struggled with in the past few years. He seemed back to speed when returning from teh hip injury at the end of 2011.

But people are more cuthroat now; new coach and seeing a few sackings, they call for blood after a few bad performances. We used to not bother due to the Sheenius, but God forbid people have a few bad games. I'm not saying we shouldn't investigate alternatives, but I'm not writing Rowdy off for good.

If this forum had their way, Farah and Woods and TEdesco only would fill spots 1-13 every week.

 

[pHyR3]

Lawrence ain't going anywhere yet unless his injury is a concern.

Lawrence's defence has always been a bit of a problem but there was a time in 2010-2011 that the way the game was refereed coincided with him getting the timing right on his rush front on defence and he became an effective defender. The rise in second man play has simply opened up old issues with his lateral movement which would be compounded by the hip dislocation and subsequent lack of speed.

He is one of the hardest working men in rugby league and I am sure he is studying footage and practicing daily to rectify this so you should all have a bit more faith in one of our best EVER players.

As for his attack, he may have lost top end pace but he still hits the line harder than most other players in the game and his speed off the mark is still very good from what I saw against St George. I guarantee if you ask defenders marking him he is not a player you want to sleep on because he has too much power and speed off the mark and will break through a weak attempt.

He still has plenty to offer but now that he seemingly lost his top end he should probably work on a late offload and a fend and his passing game. His ability to get through the line should down the line lead to plenty of tries for Koroibete.

You should all support this bloke. He's been great for us and always puts in and he bleeds our colours.

Very astute post.

In regards to his speed, he is clearly not at the level he used to be, but I wonder if he is truly a slowpoke, or whether he was just so explosively fast before that we notice the differencemore. He's probably still faster than Blake Ayshford.

He surely notices the loss of pace and that will affect his confidence and decision making, just as much as returning from a fresh injury.

I also wonder if it's more to do with hamstrings perhaps, which he has struggled with in the past few years. He seemed back to speed when returning from teh hip injury at the end of 2011.

But people are more cuthroat now; new coach and seeing a few sackings, they call for blood after a few bad performances. We used to not bother due to the Sheenius, but God forbid people have a few bad games. I'm not saying we shouldn't investigate alternatives, but I'm not writing Rowdy off for good.

If this forum had their way, Farah and Woods and TEdesco only would fill spots 1-13 every week.

It's not really about 'a few bad games' Lawrence hasn't had form in 18months! A whole season plus 7 games and 2 trials. That's why people wanna drop him. We gave him so long because he was so good before; in the same way that if Farah had an injury then an off season next season people would give him another 4 or 5 games the season after to ammend before asking he be punted since he will not recover from his injury.

 

[cochise]

Ok, Ive listened to all this talk about Chris' from for a couple of months now, I really have to step in and I will apologise in advance for a post that is likely going to turn into a little bit of a rant.

Chris is one of the hardworking, dedicated and unselfish players to have played, not only at our club but in the game of Rugby League. Now we as a club have had our unfair share of players suffering career ending injuries, it still breaks my heart to see Simon Dwyer walking around with his arm still in a sling. Now we have a player who is gallantly trying to make a comeback from what all intents and purposes probably should have been career ending and we have people calling for him to be released from the club. This is a player who has bled for this club and shows his love of the club on his sleeve and people want him released. He was a shining light through some tough times where we failed to make the finals and he was a star, the reason Tuiaki and Tuquiri were so high on the try scorer lists in 09 and 10 was the fact that they were playing outside of Chris.

Now is he setting the world on fire at the moment? no without doubt he is playing busted, but most people here think we are long shots to play finals football this year anyway and want to promote youngsters to help them develop for future years. Why can't this philosophy be used to give a proven season campaigner the chance to adopt and improve his game in an attempt to overcome a serious injury? Why can't we support him in trying to this and give him the chance that Tuiaki and Dwyer never received? He is worth and deserves the chance.

 

[happy_tiger]

So a lot of people are prepared to pay a guy who is earning around 380 k a season for the next 3.75 years but playing like a 150 k a season player

This is a professional sport and unfortunately when push comes to shove you have to leave your heart out of the tough decisions and use your head

Would I love to see Rowdy get back to his best ? Hell Yeah

Do I think he will get back to his best ?? With the current direction he is heading ,probably not

Some of the people here need to use logic when talking about Chris , not emotion

 

[everett]

100% correct happy tiger. Emotions have to be set aside.

if it is confidence Chris is lacking why not give him time out of the spotlight and play in State Cup for a period and hope he comes good. Allow him to play centre and wing and get more involved.

Like it or not Lawrence is paid well and the reason is to perform at a highest level.

Simona has only limited time in NRL but each time has played well and who is to say he could not be good again if he gets another chance.

Remember we want Potter to give us a new era where players are made accountable and not picked on past reputations.

No one player is bigger than the club.

 

[Anthism]

So a lot of people are prepared to pay a guy who is earning around 380 k a season for the next 3.75 years but playing like a 150 k a season player

This is a professional sport and unfortunately when push comes to shove you have to leave your heart out of the tough decisions and use your head

Would I love to see Rowdy get back to his best ? Hell Yeah

Do I think he will get back to his best ?? With the current direction he is heading ,probably not

Some of the people here need to use logic when talking about Chris , not emotion

I dunno Happy.
Attitude is definitely a part of it. I'm sure he's aware of his performances. He could rip up the Broncos next week for all we know.
A full season without injury will help him. I'm not disagreeing with a stint in State Cup though don't get me wrong, I think confidence is his issue ATM.
I don't think his injury is going to keep him from his best for too much longer. If he's back on the park that's a positive step for him given the magnitude of his injury and the amount of injuries he had last year. The next step for him is to get his confidence up and I think a few team wins and time on the field will propel and accelerate this process whether that be 1st grade or NSW cup.

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[cochise]

The club signed him to such a long contract, he was injured while representing the club. i would give him more time to overcome his issues because of this, if it costs us more money in the long run it is something I am happy to live with. It's not like he is going out on the field and not putting in.

 

[tigergirlz]

Shouldn't some of this be on a Chris Lawrence thread

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[The_Tooth]

Have a look at McGuire at Souths. In the last couple of years he has dropped Issac Luke, Asotasi, Taylor, Teo and thats just a few I can recall. SOme for disipline issues and other simply for poor form. Bellamy is similar and huge on individual performances. These are pretty big name players. Sheens never did it and i think alot of the players were in a comfort zone with him around. I say Lawrence needs his boat rocked by a stint in reserve grade. If he's as quality guy he'll cop it on the chin and realise he has to work harder.

Oh and can't wait for Marika to come back. SOunds like a sure thing for the Broncos

 

[happy_tiger]

Tooth I'm not questioning whether he not working hard I reckon he is giving 100% every training session and every game

But thats not the issue , its his actual performance which is the issue .If he is the best we have at centre he has to stay until we get someone better , but if we don't try we will never know

Thats my issue

 

[alex]

Send Lawrence and Benji to Roger Fabri

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[tig_prmz]

Ok, Ive listened to all this talk about Chris' from for a couple of months now, I really have to step in and I will apologise in advance for a post that is likely going to turn into a little bit of a rant.

Chris is one of the hardworking, dedicated and unselfish players to have played, not only at our club but in the game of Rugby League. Now we as a club have had our unfair share of players suffering career ending injuries, it still breaks my heart to see Simon Dwyer walking around with his arm still in a sling. Now we have a player who is gallantly trying to make a comeback from what all intents and purposes probably should have been career ending and we have people calling for him to be released from the club. This is a player who has bled for this club and shows his love of the club on his sleeve and people want him released. He was a shining light through some tough times where we failed to make the finals and he was a star, the reason Tuiaki and Tuquiri were so high on the try scorer lists in 09 and 10 was the fact that they were playing outside of Chris.

Now is he setting the world on fire at the moment? no without doubt he is playing busted, but most people here think we are long shots to play finals football this year anyway and want to promote youngsters to help them develop for future years. Why can't this philosophy be used to give a proven season campaigner the chance to adopt and improve his game in an attempt to overcome a serious injury? Why can't we support him in trying to this and give him the chance that Tuiaki and Dwyer never received? He is worth and deserves the chance.

the issues he is having have nothing to do with his physical ability, it's just poor decision making.

he is costing us at least half a dozen points anyway.. it has been over 1.5 years (?) since he came back from injury iirc, that's a lot of time.

in saying that, there is no way in hell that im giving up on chris. as you said in your first para, hardest and most unselfish worker in the team.. im sure he will come good… eventually.

even forgetting his lack of defense in the latter part of last year, his defense this year has only gotten worse... if he wants another comeback, that can come through state cup.

idk about you, but there is no way in hell that im giving up on this season..if the team starts thinking that, then may god help us. the team goes into every game busting their guts out to win the game, and we should expect that from them.

we won't know if we have someone better than chris atm until he gets a chance.. and that chance has to be as long as chris got, otherwise it's not fair

 

[cochise]

I am not against Chris spending some time in the state cup, what I am against is releasing him from the club or trying to offload him to another club. Watching Chris play at the moment depresses me because he is so far from the player that he was a couple of years ago but I believe he still has a role to play in our team. I have in no way written off this season, but there are many posters on here who have and have been calling for us to go with a very inexperience backline to build towards next season. What I will say is that we have very little experience i our backline as it is and we are very unlikely to make the 8 if we are going with a backline that doesn't include Chris' experience.

I am sure he knows what is deficiencies are and is working incredibly hard to impore or adapt his game because that is the typr of person he seems to be.

 

[tig_prmz]

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I am not against Chris spending some time in the state cup,

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Now is he setting the world on fire at the moment? no without doubt he is playing busted, but most people here think we are long shots to play finals football this year anyway and **want to promote youngsters to help them develop for future years. Why can't this philosophy be used to give a proven season campaigner the chance to adopt and improve his game in an attempt to overcome a serious injury?** Why can't we support him in trying to this and give him the chance that Tuiaki and Dwyer never received? He is worth and deserves the chance.

i interpreted that sentence as you wouldnt want a newbie to replace chris.. so would you drop chris to state cup for round 7?

 

[cochise]

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I am not against Chris spending some time in the state cup,

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Now is he setting the world on fire at the moment? no without doubt he is playing busted, but most people here think we are long shots to play finals football this year anyway and **want to promote youngsters to help them develop for future years. Why can't this philosophy be used to give a proven season campaigner the chance to adopt and improve his game in an attempt to overcome a serious injury?** Why can't we support him in trying to this and give him the chance that Tuiaki and Dwyer never received? He is worth and deserves the chance.

i interpreted that sentence as you wouldnt want a newbie to replace chris.. so would you drop chris to state cup for round 7?

No I wouldn't be dropping him yet, but I could see a senario when we have some more experience players back on deck that some time in State Cup could be beneficial. My arguements are more against releasing him.

 

[system]

Which is very silly. Lawrence does not deserve to be dropped yet. Hell I'd give him a whole season. The guy deserves to be given a chance to adapt his game in first grade.

He hasn't even been that bad despite getting death rided on here. Defensively there are some issues and he could be moved to the wing but we need him playing well. He can be a weapon - we don't have enough of these type of players.

Load of crap, open your eyes, lawrence is deadset finished

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[system]

Lawrence ain't going anywhere yet unless his injury is a concern.

Lawrence's defence has always been a bit of a problem but there was a time in 2010-2011 that the way the game was refereed coincided with him getting the timing right on his rush front on defence and he became an effective defender. The rise in second man play has simply opened up old issues with his lateral movement which would be compounded by the hip dislocation and subsequent lack of speed.

He is one of the hardest working men in rugby league and I am sure he is studying footage and practicing daily to rectify this so you should all have a bit more faith in one of our best EVER players.

As for his attack, he may have lost top end pace but he still hits the line harder than most other players in the game and his speed off the mark is still very good from what I saw against St George. I guarantee if you ask defenders marking him he is not a player you want to sleep on because he has too much power and speed off the mark and will break through a weak attempt.

He still has plenty to offer but now that he seemingly lost his top end he should probably work on a late offload and a fend and his passing game. His ability to get through the line should down the line lead to plenty of tries for Koroibete.

You should all support this bloke. He's been great for us and always puts in and he bleeds our colours.

Very astute post.

In regards to his speed, he is clearly not at the level he used to be, but I wonder if he is truly a slowpoke, or whether he was just so explosively fast before that we notice the differencemore. He's probably still faster than Blake Ayshford.

He surely notices the loss of pace and that will affect his confidence and decision making, just as much as returning from a fresh injury.

I also wonder if it's more to do with hamstrings perhaps, which he has struggled with in the past few years. He seemed back to speed when returning from teh hip injury at the end of 2011.

But people are more cuthroat now; new coach and seeing a few sackings, they call for blood after a few bad performances. We used to not bother due to the Sheenius, but God forbid people have a few bad games. I'm not saying we shouldn't investigate alternatives, but I'm not writing Rowdy off for good.

If this forum had their way, Farah and Woods and TEdesco only would fill spots 1-13 every week.

It's not really about 'a few bad games' Lawrence hasn't had form in 18months! A whole season plus 7 games and 2 trials. That's why people wanna drop him. We gave him so long because he was so good before; in the same way that if Farah had an injury then an off season next season people would give him another 4 or 5 games the season after to ammend before asking he be punted since he will not recover from his injury.

Someone with common sense….....

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[Tbone]

At the moment, there's no one putting pressure on him for his spot, he's not quite bad enough to drop outright, but also not good enough to do much good. I think he's not going anywhere

Like almost everyone, I just hope he improves his game because he's not the kind of bloke you want to dislike.