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[Tigersmurf]

Does anyone think JT could be moved on even if we make the 8 this year? It would be a big call but i think it's a distinct possibility.

Manly did it, and they are certainly seeing the benefits now.

 

[southerntiger]

I find it interesting that the same people who criticised the club for not offering Potter a new contract, as if that was a betrayal, now want the club to break its contract with Taylor by terminating him before the end of the contract. Shows me that the rubbish people go on here about "honouring contracts" is only when it suits them.

Just for the record, my view is that any person should be able to break a personal services contract if they are willing to pay the damages suffered by the other party as a result.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does anyone think JT could be moved on even if we make the 8 this year? It would be a big call but i think it's a distinct possibility.

I suppose it would be Bucket's decision but would also be interesting from a board perspective who have backed him up to now.

I think he's gone regardless from here on out. He'll see out his 3 yrs though imo. The clubs hands are tied.

 

[Newtown]

The planned Centre of Excellence at Concord as reported in today's Sunday Telegraph certainly shows that our club's management is certainly working in the right direction.

 

[stevetiger]

Does anyone think JT could be moved on even if we make the 8 this year? It would be a big call but i think it's a distinct possibility.

I suppose it would be Bucket's decision but would also be interesting from a board perspective who have backed him up to now.

I think he's gone regardless from here on out. He'll see out his 3 yrs though imo. The clubs hands are tied.

I'm not sold on this. What if we win the comp this year and next ? Where do you draw the line ?

Going forward I would hope the board learns to not back an inexperienced coach and state he gets his 3 years no matter what. It's just as dumb as signing players to long term contracts ala Farah.

I think though that he has done a lot of damage to the club and he will have to get really good results to get another contract.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does anyone think JT could be moved on even if we make the 8 this year? It would be a big call but i think it's a distinct possibility.

I suppose it would be Bucket's decision but would also be interesting from a board perspective who have backed him up to now.

I think he's gone regardless from here on out. He'll see out his 3 yrs though imo. The clubs hands are tied.

I'm not sold on this. What if we win the comp this year and next ? Where do you draw the line ?

Going forward I would hope the board learns to not back an inexperienced coach and state he gets his 3 years no matter what. It's just as dumb as signing players to long term contracts ala Farah.

I think though that he has done a lot of damage to the club and he will have to get really good results to get another contract.

If he somehow gets us into the 8 this yr he should be re-signed on the spot.

 

[stevetiger]

Does anyone think JT could be moved on even if we make the 8 this year? It would be a big call but i think it's a distinct possibility.

I suppose it would be Bucket's decision but would also be interesting from a board perspective who have backed him up to now.

I think he's gone regardless from here on out. He'll see out his 3 yrs though imo. The clubs hands are tied.

I'm not sold on this. What if we win the comp this year and next ? Where do you draw the line ?

Going forward I would hope the board learns to not back an inexperienced coach and state he gets his 3 years no matter what. It's just as dumb as signing players to long term contracts ala Farah.

I think though that he has done a lot of damage to the club and he will have to get really good results to get another contract.

If he somehow gets us into the 8 this yr he should be re-signed on the spot.

He definitely should not be resigned. If we make the top 8 he should keep his job for another year. At that point we should reassess.

 

[cqtiger]

Marina Go has said many times, on behalf of the board, that JT will see out his contract with their full support. Yes, I know some will say that this is a death sentence for a coach but I believe her, given the amount of times she has said it. Wouldn't it be good if we could all just move on accepting that JT will be the coach until the end of 2017 at least and focus on supporting the coach and team. Am I dreaming? Probably.

Thats how Im seeing it, and all Im trying to do.
Others it seems would prefer to bash their heads against a wall, arguing about something thats unlikely to happen :brick:

I'm quite confident that he'll see out his contract

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

If we said he wouldn't make the 8, then we would be right'
if he doesn't make the 8 then he HAS failed, even more so , now that some of the usual top 8 teams have imploded, or lost most of their points
When people had an opinion on where we would be this year, I don't think any of them counted on Manly, Easts, Souths being at the bottom, equal or behind us.
It's a lot easier to make the 8 than the last couple of seasons

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

If we said he wouldn't make the 8, then we would be right'
if he doesn't make the 8 then he HAS failed, even more so , now that some of the usual top 8 teams have imploded, or lost most of their points
When people had an opinion on where we would be this year, I don't think any of them counted on Manly, Easts, Souths being at the bottom, equal or behind us.
It's a lot easier to make the 8 than the last couple of seasons

We should finish in front of all those teams, plus Newcastle and Parra. By my calculations that would put us in at least 11th. We're probably on par with the Dragons, Penrith, Warriors and Titans. I reckon the last two spots in the 8 will be a dog fight between these 5 teams. 11th or better would be an improvement.

 

[coopy]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

Interesting question. I reckon with all the off field pre-season drama and our first 10 games not even the most ardent JT supporter wouldn't have expected us to make the 8.

Personally, I am not sold as this to be the only qualifier of success and failure. Yes it is important but there other factors that contribute such as player retention, recruitment, player development etc that should also be considered.

For mine it's not just current on-field performance but how you've implemented systems and personnel for future success.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

And he'll surpass all the other coaches.

Pearce/Lamb never qualified;
Sheens took 3 years to get us to the finals;
Potter never made it.

 

[Russell]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

If we said he wouldn't make the 8, then we would be right'
if he doesn't make the 8 then he HAS failed, even more so , now that some of the usual top 8 teams have imploded, or lost most of their points
When people had an opinion on where we would be this year, I don't think any of them counted on Manly, Easts, Souths being at the bottom, equal or behind us.
It's a lot easier to make the 8 than the last couple of seasons

You absolutely amaze me GT.

We win games and it is because they were under strength or they played really bad against us. So it is not how we played, it is what the other team did or didn't do.

Now on the ladder, it is not that we have accumulated 'x' amount of points by winning games, it is because other teams have imploded or are going to lose points for cap cheating.

Can we ever win anything or do well in your eyes - I don't think so. Lol

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

If we said he wouldn't make the 8, then we would be right'
if he doesn't make the 8 then he HAS failed, even more so , now that some of the usual top 8 teams have imploded, or lost most of their points
When people had an opinion on where we would be this year, I don't think any of them counted on Manly, Easts, Souths being at the bottom, equal or behind us.
It's a lot easier to make the 8 than the last couple of seasons

You absolutely amaze me GT.

We win games and it is because they were under strength or they played really bad against us. So it is not how we played, it is what the other team did or didn't do.

Now on the ladder, it is not that we have accumulated 'x' amount of points by winning games, it is because other teams have imploded or are going to lose points for cap cheating.

Can we ever win anything or do well in your eyes - I don't think so. Lol

Jeez , you read some weird stuff into other people's post.
I'l try again,
In the beginning of the season when we were all talking about where we would come,
I doubt that anyone , when making predictions , would have thought that Mamly , the Roosters, and Souths would have been in the bottom 4\. Would you disagree on that????

Therefore There are holes in the top 8 that VERY FEW would have envisaged.
Also Parra losing their points , puts them in with the other three mentioned teams.
So yes , take those teams out of the top 8, and I would say that it is a lot easier to make the top 8 this year than in the last few years.
I never mentioned games that we've played, but since you have,
Its fair to say that we've hardly set the world on fire in a lot of our games.
We got points , and that's fine. But if you are satisfied with what we've done so far, well good for you.
And you may be surprised, but EVERY game IS , about not only , "how we played, ) but also "what the other team did, or didn't do) Both things have a bearing on games

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Those teams playing badly all of a sudden doesn't make us a top 8 side by proxy. We finished 15th last yr and some only thought we were going to get worse.

 

[Russell]

GCT - I'm only trying to 'put out there' the fact that - e.g. when we won the GF back in the day, nobody was saying we only made the finals because team 'A' or team 'D' played badly etc. Everyone wasn't worried about that, only the fact we played ok and we were headed for the Grand Final.

But lose 'x' amount of games and then win a few this year - that is what most people are saying - Souffs played badly twice, Broncos had people out and so on, basically making excuses for us winning.

I still say that you can only play what is in front of you and the other team in most cases, only plays as well as you let them. That applies to teams on their way to winning a GF or teams struggling to get to 10th position on the ladder. It is not our fault that Souffs, Rorters and Manly are having problems and that the Eels were caught cheating the system.

Nobody gave us any leeway when we were playing badly, had heaps of injuries etc. they just said we are a basket case, the coach is crap, players are pathetic and so on. No excuses.

I would just like to see the same in reverse, that is all, Well done boys, you played well, another step up the ladder. But no - it is all negativity, even when we win.
We were lucky to win, they played badly, how come we are 'x' position on the ladder, Oh! everyone is playing crap and all injured, that's why we are in position 'x' - if they were back to normal, we would have the spoon.

Not saying it is you, but heaps on here never let up on this team and the coach. It is not a situation of accepting mediocrity but being accepting of reality. A club that has no money to buy players to solve some of the problems but to put out a team each week of mostly tryers and youngsters, but they are at least learning, trying their best and playing as a team.

Of that we can be proud, well I am anyway. (Rant over - GCT Lol)

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Those teams playing badly all of a sudden doesn't make us a top 8 side by proxy. We finished 15th last yr and some only thought we were going to get worse.

I didn't say it did

 

[Tim Sheens]

Why not? It would be only the 4th yr in our existence we've qualified for the semi's.

Question for the JT critics. How many of you expected us to make the finals this yr under Taylor? I'm assuming very few. So, how can us missing out on the 8 be considered a failure?

If we said he wouldn't make the 8, then we would be right'
if he doesn't make the 8 then he HAS failed, even more so , now that some of the usual top 8 teams have imploded, or lost most of their points
When people had an opinion on where we would be this year, I don't think any of them counted on Manly, Easts, Souths being at the bottom, equal or behind us.
It's a lot easier to make the 8 than the last couple of seasons

You absolutely amaze me GT.

We win games and it is because they were under strength or they played really bad against us. So it is not how we played, it is what the other team did or didn't do.

Now on the ladder, it is not that we have accumulated 'x' amount of points by winning games, it is because other teams have imploded or are going to lose points for cap cheating.

Can we ever win anything or do well in your eyes - I don't think so. Lol

Jeez , you read some weird stuff into other people's post.
I'l try again,
In the beginning of the season when we were all talking about where we would come,
I doubt that anyone , when making predictions , would have thought that Mamly , the Roosters, and Souths would have been in the bottom 4\. Would you disagree on that????

Therefore There are holes in the top 8 that VERY FEW would have envisaged.
Also Parra losing their points , puts them in with the other three mentioned teams.
So yes , take those teams out of the top 8, and I would say that it is a lot easier to make the top 8 this year than in the last few years.
I never mentioned games that we've played, but since you have,
Its fair to say that we've hardly set the world on fire in a lot of our games.
We got points , and that's fine. But if you are satisfied with what we've done so far, well good for you.
And you may be surprised, but EVERY game IS , about not only , "how we played, ) but also "what the other team did, or didn't do) Both things have a bearing on games

Conversely, one could say that due to improvement in the standard required to win games this season, the above mentioned teams are struggling to make the eight in a more competitive environment.

Either way, I am happy to have Marina as our independent chair.

 

[ricksen]

There's no such thing as a bad win, obviously.
The second Newcastle game was as scratchy as they get, and I don't think we can take too much out of that other than the two points, but we still got there.
Every other win has had plenty going for it. Even the first Souths game, in which both teams were pretty bloody average, came a few days after one of the most demoralising days in the club's recent history, not to mention an injury in the warm up.