Matt McIlwrick

@goldcoast tiger said:
@TYGA said:
@Nors05 said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
If Ballin stays fit he'll do a very good job. He wasn't let go from Manly because of form, if anything he was in the same position as Farah. Didn't fit in with coaches plans so he was moved on. He still has a lot to offer at his age, if his body will let him. If he doesn't reckon he'll go around much longer, I don't see why he doesn't bite the bullet and get the LARS procedure done as Covell did it in his last year and it held up. There must be a reason why players don't turn to it that isn't well publicised.

A fully fit Matt Ballin would have been the difference between us making the 8 this year. He was an instrumental figure in Manly's golden era. Ask any Manly supporter and they will tell you they were more filthy about him being shown the door than any other player.

If he is fully fit next year then we will not have any issues with our 9 jersey. He fits perfectly into Taylor's game plan; a 9 with excellent service passing straight from the ground to the halves, can play 80 minutes if needed, averages 45-50 tackles a game and has a wealth of experience for our young side. Having both Ballin and ET on the field together will make a huge difference to our defence in the middle and take a lot of pressure off Woods/Sue/Ava/Grant.

Fingers crossed Ballin is fit for round 1

Ballin was moved on from Manly because he wasn't up to it in 2015 and had a terrible season.
He is a champion player and a good bloke however, he is now 32 and coming off an injury ravaged year.
He is a good leader but if he is the answer for us we are in dire straits this year.

From what I've seen in NSW Cup MciWrick is easily superior to Ballin quicker, stronger and better service out of dummy half. We really need Liddle to come in and win the 9 Jersey.

I' can't remember ever seeing any player , get more wraps for doing so little , and playing such small minutes, especially at the age he is with the injuries that he's had , and as already stated , was unwanted by his own club.
If he ever scores a try for us , he'll be given the keys to Concord
I hope he's just half as good as he's been built up by his fan club,
To say he was the difference between making the Semis or not is laughable
Still il be happy if he can even put a couple of good games together,

Sadly I saw a lot of eagles games in 2015 and he was poor. Missed 4-5 tackles a game and setup zero in attack. Stifled the Eagles actually worse than Farah in the midst of his slump. I would be happy to be proven wrong but management have to run with Liddle and Mcilwrick.
 
@innsaneink said:
He played all but one match and averaged more than 40 tackles per game in '15

Yeh, wasnt up to it…terrible

It ain't all about how many tackles you make.
Farah would have been around those figures and massively better in attack.
You would reason that he was primarily bought was to try and get Farah to leave early.
I hope for our sake he makes a good impression - but I won't be holding my breath.
Liddle looks our future.
 
Different styles of play under different coaches, he rarely ran the ball…Manly didnt play that way.
To say ''he wasnt up to it'' when he played an entire season of NRL is just BS

I severely doubt the 4/5 missed tackles per game

Farah Massively better in attack? 2 more hit ups and 20m more than Ballin p/g in '15
OK
I would reason he was bought to replace Farah....however you can swing it to say ''he was primarily bought was to try and get Farah to leave early.''
Thats all you ever seem to do
 
@innsaneink said:
Different styles of play under different coaches, he rarely ran the ball…Manly didnt play that way.
To say ''he wasnt up to it'' when he played an entire season of NRL is just BS

I severely doubt the 4/5 missed tackles per game

Farah Massively better in attack? 2 more hit ups and 20m more than Ballin p/g in '15
OK
**I would reason he was bought to replace Farah....however you can swing it to say ''he was primarily bought was to try and get Farah to leave early.''
Thats all you ever seem to do**

Not too many clubs would buy a busted 32 year old hooker to play first grade when they already had a 32 year old rep hooker on their books already - plus a decent prospect in waiting.
I don't have anything against Ballin, who seems to be a nice guy and good mentor, but his signing was a slap in the face for Farah.
 
People forget during that whole saga at the end of 2015 that there was a point where Farah asked for a release.
 
@TYGA said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@TYGA said:
@Nors05 said:
A fully fit Matt Ballin would have been the difference between us making the 8 this year. He was an instrumental figure in Manly's golden era. Ask any Manly supporter and they will tell you they were more filthy about him being shown the door than any other player.

If he is fully fit next year then we will not have any issues with our 9 jersey. He fits perfectly into Taylor's game plan; a 9 with excellent service passing straight from the ground to the halves, can play 80 minutes if needed, averages 45-50 tackles a game and has a wealth of experience for our young side. Having both Ballin and ET on the field together will make a huge difference to our defence in the middle and take a lot of pressure off Woods/Sue/Ava/Grant.

Fingers crossed Ballin is fit for round 1

Ballin was moved on from Manly because he wasn't up to it in 2015 and had a terrible season.
He is a champion player and a good bloke however, he is now 32 and coming off an injury ravaged year.
He is a good leader but if he is the answer for us we are in dire straits this year.

From what I've seen in NSW Cup MciWrick is easily superior to Ballin quicker, stronger and better service out of dummy half. We really need Liddle to come in and win the 9 Jersey.

I' can't remember ever seeing any player , get more wraps for doing so little , and playing such small minutes, especially at the age he is with the injuries that he's had , and as already stated , was unwanted by his own club.
If he ever scores a try for us , he'll be given the keys to Concord
I hope he's just half as good as he's been built up by his fan club,
To say he was the difference between making the Semis or not is laughable
Still il be happy if he can even put a couple of good games together,

Sadly I saw a lot of eagles games in 2015 and he was poor. Missed 4-5 tackles a game and setup zero in attack. Stifled the Eagles actually worse than Farah in the midst of his slump. I would be happy to be proven wrong but management have to run with Liddle and Mcilwrick.

Lol, poor? Missing tackles? You were obviously watching the games sitting alongside Robbie.

He averaged over 40 tackles, and an avergae of 2.2 missed tackles a game. If this is poor then i welcome it. We have no-one who has or can perform remotely close to that.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
@TYGA said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@TYGA said:
Ballin was moved on from Manly because he wasn't up to it in 2015 and had a terrible season.
He is a champion player and a good bloke however, he is now 32 and coming off an injury ravaged year.
He is a good leader but if he is the answer for us we are in dire straits this year.

From what I've seen in NSW Cup MciWrick is easily superior to Ballin quicker, stronger and better service out of dummy half. We really need Liddle to come in and win the 9 Jersey.

I' can't remember ever seeing any player , get more wraps for doing so little , and playing such small minutes, especially at the age he is with the injuries that he's had , and as already stated , was unwanted by his own club.
If he ever scores a try for us , he'll be given the keys to Concord
I hope he's just half as good as he's been built up by his fan club,
To say he was the difference between making the Semis or not is laughable
Still il be happy if he can even put a couple of good games together,

Sadly I saw a lot of eagles games in 2015 and he was poor. Missed 4-5 tackles a game and setup zero in attack. Stifled the Eagles actually worse than Farah in the midst of his slump. I would be happy to be proven wrong but management have to run with Liddle and Mcilwrick.

Lol, poor? Missing tackles? You were obviously watching the games sitting alongside Robbie.

He averaged over 40 tackles, and an avergae of 2.2 missed tackles a game. If this is poor then i welcome it. We have no-one who has or can perform remotely close to that.

Manly moved on a legend and a champion leader in Ballin because he was going well and paid part of his salary.
All good if you think he is the answer but I don't share your optimism. He was killing their attack and its funny Farah who was a great defender was smashed for his attacking game by the forum and the same people rate Ballin. Liddle is the answer long term but he may well have to start right away if we are serious about winning.
 
How did he kill their attack?

That's just a load of garbage along with everything you've said about him

Clearly a cap decision
 
@TYGA said:
@Balmain Boy said:
@TYGA said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
I' can't remember ever seeing any player , get more wraps for doing so little , and playing such small minutes, especially at the age he is with the injuries that he's had , and as already stated , was unwanted by his own club.
If he ever scores a try for us , he'll be given the keys to Concord
I hope he's just half as good as he's been built up by his fan club,
To say he was the difference between making the Semis or not is laughable
Still il be happy if he can even put a couple of good games together,

Sadly I saw a lot of eagles games in 2015 and he was poor. Missed 4-5 tackles a game and setup zero in attack. Stifled the Eagles actually worse than Farah in the midst of his slump. I would be happy to be proven wrong but management have to run with Liddle and Mcilwrick.

Lol, poor? Missing tackles? You were obviously watching the games sitting alongside Robbie.

He averaged over 40 tackles, and an avergae of 2.2 missed tackles a game. If this is poor then i welcome it. We have no-one who has or can perform remotely close to that.

Manly moved on a legend and a champion leader in Ballin because he was going well and paid part of his salary.
All good if you think he is the answer but I don't share your optimism. He was killing their attack and its funny Farah who was a great defender was smashed for his attacking game by the forum and the same people rate Ballin. Liddle is the answer long term but he may well have to start right away if we are serious about winning.

I don't know if you quite get it?

Manly and us both moved on club legends, stalwart #9s. Both clubs clearly thought the end-career service was declining and no longer to plan. Both clubs also took on new coaches. Just because one club lets a guy go doesn't mean he is a dud. There is normally far more to it than that.

Ballin does not play like Farah, so it is not unreasonable to sign a guy like that if you are planning to move Farah on.

They are both good at doing what they do; both honestly past their best, but still with something to offer.

By all accounts Ballin is very pro and positive off-field, good rehab and trainer even though he hardly played. We recall comments made by Torchie, maybe spurious, about Brooks joining the rehab group with Ballin and Lawrence and giving up rather quickly. I have definitely seen twitter posts of Ballin in rehab training during the player break end of this season.

By the similar accounts, Farah was also very pro in terms of his training application and fitness but not quite the same positive force within the club, at times very divisive and controversial.

Of course you can rate and not rate any player you want. It just seems like Tigers are pushing fairly clearly into a style where the hooker makes his tackles, as dominant as possible, gets the forwards over the advantage and distributes as quickly as possible. The Ballin and now McIlwrick signings suggest this, because they are not noted attackers.

Liddle is a different kettle of fish, he's still so young and quick, I am sure he will be encouraged to run the ball. But Robbie isn't quick and more and I cannot remember the last time he jagged a penalty from the ruck, even though he deserved about 1000 per season.

Ballin is a good footballer, he just needs to get his fitness right and he will contribute well, esp. with the emergence of Liddle who is perhaps 1-2 seasons away from cementing a starting spot, if he turns out as good as we hope.
 
@jirskyr said:
@TYGA said:
@Balmain Boy said:
@TYGA said:
Sadly I saw a lot of eagles games in 2015 and he was poor. Missed 4-5 tackles a game and setup zero in attack. Stifled the Eagles actually worse than Farah in the midst of his slump. I would be happy to be proven wrong but management have to run with Liddle and Mcilwrick.

Lol, poor? Missing tackles? You were obviously watching the games sitting alongside Robbie.

He averaged over 40 tackles, and an avergae of 2.2 missed tackles a game. If this is poor then i welcome it. We have no-one who has or can perform remotely close to that.

Manly moved on a legend and a champion leader in Ballin because he was going well and paid part of his salary.
All good if you think he is the answer but I don't share your optimism. He was killing their attack and its funny Farah who was a great defender was smashed for his attacking game by the forum and the same people rate Ballin. Liddle is the answer long term but he may well have to start right away if we are serious about winning.

I don't know if you quite get it?

Manly and us both moved on club legends, stalwart #9s. Both clubs clearly thought the end-career service was declining and no longer to plan. Both clubs also took on new coaches. Just because one club lets a guy go doesn't mean he is a dud. There is normally far more to it than that.

Ballin does not play like Farah, so it is not unreasonable to sign a guy like that if you are planning to move Farah on.

They are both good at doing what they do; both honestly past their best, but still with something to offer.

By all accounts Ballin is very pro and positive off-field, good rehab and trainer even though he hardly played. We recall comments made by Torchie, maybe spurious, about Brooks joining the rehab group with Ballin and Lawrence and giving up rather quickly. I have definitely seen twitter posts of Ballin in rehab training during the player break end of this season.

By the similar accounts, Farah was also very pro in terms of his training application and fitness but not quite the same positive force within the club, at times very divisive and controversial.

Of course you can rate and not rate any player you want. It just seems like Tigers are pushing fairly clearly into a style where the hooker makes his tackles, as dominant as possible, gets the forwards over the advantage and distributes as quickly as possible. The Ballin and now McIlwrick signings suggest this, because they are not noted attackers.

Liddle is a different kettle of fish, he's still so young and quick, I am sure he will be encouraged to run the ball. But Robbie isn't quick and more and I cannot remember the last time he jagged a penalty from the ruck, even though he deserved about 1000 per season.

Ballin is a good footballer, he just needs to get his fitness right and he will contribute well, esp. with the emergence of Liddle who is perhaps 1-2 seasons away from cementing a starting spot, if he turns out as good as we hope.

Don't agree Ballin is not first grade standard full stop.
 
@innsaneink said:
How did he kill their attack?

That's just a load of garbage along with everything you've said about him

Clearly a cap decision

Nonsense they subsidised his salary and paid more for Korisau a way better hooker
 
@innsaneink said:
LOL…scathing comeback

I'll try once more...
How did he kill their attack?

Slow plodder service from dummy half. I witness most Manly games sadly and he was average. I would rate 15 hookers above him in 2015 and that was before the injury.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Geo. said:
I think the title thread is wrong…

Almost every thread is about a roundabout way of taking potshots at Taylor

Bar the plodders thread :smiley:

The thread has nothing to do with JT. Mcilwrick is sadly the best foil for Liddle. We can still win with an average hooker we did so at times with Farah whether it's him or Ballin it can be done. They are just both below standard.
 
@TYGA said:
@happy tiger said:
@Geo. said:
I think the title thread is wrong…

Almost every thread is about a roundabout way of taking potshots at Taylor

Bar the plodders thread :smiley:

The thread has nothing to do with JT. Mcilwrick is sadly the best foil for Liddle. We can still win with an average hooker we did so at times with Farah whether it's him or Ballin it can be done. They are just both below standard.

Ballin played against Brisbane with less than 30 minutes of game time under his belt and we looked a completely different unit

Could be coincidence , but we will find out in 2017

I'm excited that Ballin will be playing big minutes and having a hand in the development of Liddle
 

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