Mitch Moses Denied Release - Confirmed

[ricksen]

What a peanut that guy is, he talks like he is just making stuff up as it comes to his head. It's one of those things when you read someone's writing and get one impression of them, then you hear them speak out loud, without the benefit of time and revision and an editor, and you think "wow this person is actually an idiot".
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You should watch the circus that's 360.
You described rothfield and Kent to a T above… Make it up as they go along

I will die of shock the day one of them says "I don't know actually" or "I don't have an informed opinion on that". They pretend to be experts on absolutely everything., they HAVE TO BE an authority on everything.

I don't watch NRL 360, I don't want to hear goss from "pundits", I just want game analysis. Fox Sports used to be a lot about on-field, the old NRL on Fox was good. I don't mind Sterlo's work, but with the introduction of Matty Johns and his sort of "lifestyle" / "hanging with my mates talking shet" approach, I turned off most of Fox's non-match stuff. Who wants to hear 4 smug wiseguys talk about their opinion on football? I do that enough with my own mates, and if I want more, I come on here and start a conversation w happy.

Matty Johns, the stuff he did off-field as a player, and he's just so smug on the camera, not for me. Then there's Gordie who's prepared to throw footballers under the bus for a bit of bit, like Farah and this week, don't know if it was a joke, but he was reported as condemning Josh Dugan for getting injured too often, just like Tonie Carroll used to. If I was Tunza and that was not a joke, I'd be over there to knee Gordie into unconsciousness (like Tony De Las Heras if you missed the reference). Then there's Hindmarsh who was a legit footballer, he's not so bad, and his idiot mate Fletch who is clearly just lucky enough to be pals with John and Hindy.

Your first paragraph is hilariously on point. Hooper in particular has made a career out of presenting gossip and guesses as fact. When he does have actual info, it's all one-sided (i.e. he's clearly had briefing from the Moses camp on this) and sensationalised to negatively portray someone or something. He's a joke, though tailor-made for the 24 hr news cycle, where it's more about creating splashes in social media circles, and clicks on websites.

re: Johns - he deadset considers himself a renaissance man, when in actuality he's more tomato sauce. Every now and then he decides on a somewhat contrary POV, and literally harps on about it for weeks. His current topic du jour is Pearce and Keary being the NSW halves, as they're 'going real good'. No proper discussion of Maloney, Reynolds or whoever else, just repetition of the same.

Anyway, back to Moses - not sure I've seen this forum so united in an opinion on anything.

 

[jirskyr]

To think we let TMM go to accommodate this muppet

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Austin had already proven himself in first grade, but to let TMM go with barely a year left on Moses' contract?

This club is nuts.

It's not about being nuts, you can't hoard footballers. Tigers told TMM he was behind Moses in the pecking order and he asked for a release to Penrith. We talk about loyalty from players and clubs, and that it doesn't always exist, but imagine if we'd kept TMM back in reserves just to satisfy ourselves, in the chance Moses didn't come on. Would we have then expected TMM to be happy, to be held back for 1-2 seasons "just in case?"

Club did the right thing with TMM and guys like Austin, to let them go and improve their careers with better opportunities. We could have held them back, for our own selfish needs, but we chose not to. How can you expect footballers to perform well when under that kind of duress?

Also, you then find yourself in the position of possibly having too much money tied up in backups, on the off chance you might use them. The comp and cap space are too competitive, you can't waste money on maybes when you are already committed to certain players.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Back in their first year I said kthat the club and Taylor weren't doing them any favours by giving them a guaranteed place in the team no matter what . They ( particularly Moses)
Were NEVER made accountable for their sometimes amateurish performancesand that, IMO is a big part of the reason for the ego and attitude that Moses now has.
Moses especially, was continually told he was a Superstar and was Even Origin material. He was nothing like a superstar and both him and Brooks should have been pulled back into reserve grade on more than one occasion.
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I know we didn't have a first grade standard player to replace him. But even if we did, Taylor would never have dropped him anyway. The Club and Taylor put the housse on them and lost.
They lost a lot of money and time and the chance to bring these guys into first grade in a sensible way.
At least Brooks seems to be the sort of kid that would be more likely to succeed under a better coach whereas Moses thinks he knows it all already.
The club andTaylor can't put their heads in the sand and blame the players for the way this has played out. They did as much as anyone to create this mess with their blindness to see that their performances didn't match their hype.

Hopefully with a much stronger Coach in the club, young players may get held back until they are actually ready to be in the higher grade
I can't see Cleary ever bringing young players into first grade and then letting them get away with the kind of performances that they both were putting in.
It's up to Brooks now to get his career back on track.
Clearys no idiot, and can't do a worse job than JT did with coaching Luke, and I'm looking forward to seeing some improvement in his game.
I think the fact that he was prepared to take a lesser amount of money and length of time shows that he knows himself that he has to do more to remain in first grade, and there is no more free rides.
With help and coaching , We could be seeing more of what we saw when he's played without Moses in the team. Those games were a hell of a lot better than his others
He's got talent. Now we might just see it again

 

[TrueTiger]

Back in their first year I said kthat the club and Taylor weren't doing them any favours by giving them a guaranteed place in the team no matter what . They ( particularly Moses)
Were NEVER made accountable for their sometimes amateurish performancesand that, IMO is a big part of the reason for the ego and attitude that Moses now has.
Moses especially, was continually told he was a Superstar and was Even Origin material. He was nothing like a superstar and both him and Brooks should have been pulled back into reserve grade on more than one occasion.
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I know we didn't have a first grade standard player to replace him. But even if we did, Taylor would never have dropped him anyway. The Club and Taylor put the housse on them and lost.
They lost a lot of money and time and the chance to bring these guys into first grade in a sensible way.
At least Brooks seems to be the sort of kid that would be more likely to succeed under a better coach whereas Moses thinks he knows it all already.
The club andTaylor can't put their heads in the sand and blame the players for the way this has played out. They did as much as anyone to create this mess with their blindness to see that their performances didn't match their hype.

Hopefully with a much stronger Coach in the club, young players may get held back until they are actually ready to be in the higher grade
I can't see Cleary ever bringing young players into first grade and then letting them get away with the kind of performances that they both were putting in.
It's up to Brooks now to get his career back on track.
Clearys no idiot, and can't do a worse job than JT did with coaching Luke, and I'm looking forward to seeing some improvement in his game.
I think the fact that he was prepared to take a lesser amount of money and length of time shows that he knows himself that he has to do more to remain in first grade, and there is no more free rides.
With help and coaching , We could be seeing more of what we saw when he's played without Moses in the team. Those games were a hell of a lot better than his others
He's got talent. Now we might just see it again

For once GCT I'm going to congratulate you on a very good post,I totally agree with your points and just to add I'm on the same page in regards to Brooks,I have on many occasions give it to him for his poor performances..I think if Moses is now gone Luke will be able to play his natural game without Moses trying to dominate every game with poor control and inability to convert scoring opportunities to points..

 

[foreveratiger]

Back in their first year I said kthat the club and Taylor weren't doing them any favours by giving them a guaranteed place in the team no matter what . They ( particularly Moses)
Were NEVER made accountable for their sometimes amateurish performancesand that, IMO is a big part of the reason for the ego and attitude that Moses now has.
Moses especially, was continually told he was a Superstar and was Even Origin material. He was nothing like a superstar and both him and Brooks should have been pulled back into reserve grade on more than one occasion.
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I know we didn't have a first grade standard player to replace him. But even if we did, Taylor would never have dropped him anyway. The Club and Taylor put the housse on them and lost.
They lost a lot of money and time and the chance to bring these guys into first grade in a sensible way.
At least Brooks seems to be the sort of kid that would be more likely to succeed under a better coach whereas Moses thinks he knows it all already.
The club andTaylor can't put their heads in the sand and blame the players for the way this has played out. They did as much as anyone to create this mess with their blindness to see that their performances didn't match their hype.

Hopefully with a much stronger Coach in the club, young players may get held back until they are actually ready to be in the higher grade
I can't see Cleary ever bringing young players into first grade and then letting them get away with the kind of performances that they both were putting in.
It's up to Brooks now to get his career back on track.
Clearys no idiot, and can't do a worse job than JT did with coaching Luke, and I'm looking forward to seeing some improvement in his game.
I think the fact that he was prepared to take a lesser amount of money and length of time shows that he knows himself that he has to do more to remain in first grade, and there is no more free rides.
With help and coaching , We could be seeing more of what we saw when he's played without Moses in the team. Those games were a hell of a lot better than his others
He's got talent. Now we might just see it again

For once GCT I'm going to congratulate you on a very good post,I totally agree with your points and just to add I'm on the same page in regards to Brooks,I have on many occasions give it to him for his poor performances..I think if Moses is now gone Luke will be able to play his natural game without Moses trying to dominate every game with poor control and inability to convert scoring opportunities to points..

Will be watching Brooks closely without Moses by his side and let's hope for Wests tigers sake he can find some sort of consistency in his game cause we have him for a few more years.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Heard Cleary on the grill team this morning. Pretty silly show, but they treated him like an old pal (which I guess he is for a couple of them).

They had the parasite known as hooper on earlier as well. Two very different versions of events, but it is all irrelevant as Moses is going either way (this year or next).

Cleary hasn't spoken to MM yet, and will be talking to uncle Isaac later in the week about the two players we have that have actually achieved rep honours already. Cleary reiterated those two are the priority.

There was a bit more talk about buses, and getting on or off. Generally was calm and said upfront when something was too sensitive for him to answer. :sign:

I have my doubts that we offered $3m, based on a contact at the club who I know in passing. Moses' stocks have falling steadily with our management since the season kicked off. I think that anything at all you are hearing that isn't from Cleary or Pascoe is more than likely from uncle Isaac, who knows maybe even uncle benny.

 

[innsaneink]

Wests Tigers did give Moses plenty of time to make a decision but he kept lingering until Brooks signed. **_Maybe he doesn't like playing alongside Brooks_** and thought he should have be given much more priority over Brooks, Tedesco and Woods.

Or maybe their manager doesnt

 

[supercoach]

The main problem we have had with Moses since he has been in and around the top grade is he has been in contract negotiations. So the club has been bending over backwards for him. They have removed players and coaches to give him a saloon passage. What Moses needed was a strong coach who sat him down and told him some home truths about the NRL and life in general.

Anyway from where I sit I have no problems going back to square one and being on struggle street for yet another couple of years if it means we get a roster of good people who are willing to work hard and play hard and not chase headlines

 

[kh_canada]

To think we let TMM go to accommodate this muppet

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Austin had already proven himself in first grade, but to let TMM go with barely a year left on Moses' contract?

This club is nuts.

It's not about being nuts, you can't hoard footballers. Tigers told TMM he was behind Moses in the pecking order and he asked for a release to Penrith. We talk about loyalty from players and clubs, and that it doesn't always exist, but imagine if we'd kept TMM back in reserves just to satisfy ourselves, in the chance Moses didn't come on. Would we have then expected TMM to be happy, to be held back for 1-2 seasons "just in case?"

Club did the right thing with TMM and guys like Austin, to let them go and improve their careers with better opportunities. We could have held them back, for our own selfish needs, but we chose not to. How can you expect footballers to perform well when under that kind of duress?

Also, you then find yourself in the position of possibly having too much money tied up in backups, on the off chance you might use them. The comp and cap space are too competitive, you can't waste money on maybes when you are already committed to certain players.

That's exactly right. The club made the decision they believed to be the best at the time - keep the young gun who's showing more promise and potential which, in their eyes, happened to be Moses over TMM at the time. Maybe it was the wrong decision now in hindsight but they did the right thing by letting Austin and TMM go to other clubs to keep playing first grade footy.

 

[everett8]

If Moses is worth 1 million a season what is a proper player like Thurston, Smith, Cronk worth?

Moses has a couple of good games but he can't tackle and for 1 million dollar I want my player to at least be able to tackle and add value to the team.

I would not be unhappy if he was let go. Go luck Parra

 

[jirskyr]

Back in their first year I said kthat the club and Taylor weren't doing them any favours by giving them a guaranteed place in the team no matter what . They ( particularly Moses)
Were NEVER made accountable for their sometimes amateurish performancesand that, IMO is a big part of the reason for the ego and attitude that Moses now has.
Moses especially, was continually told he was a Superstar and was Even Origin material. He was nothing like a superstar and both him and Brooks should have been pulled back into reserve grade on more than one occasion.

I know we didn't have a first grade standard player to replace him. But even if we did, Taylor would never have dropped him anyway. The Club and Taylor put the housse on them and lost.
They lost a lot of money and time and the chance to bring these guys into first grade in a sensible way.
At least Brooks seems to be the sort of kid that would be more likely to succeed under a better coach whereas Moses thinks he knows it all already.
The club andTaylor can't put their heads in the sand and blame the players for the way this has played out. They did as much as anyone to create this mess with their blindness to see that their performances didn't match their hype.

Hopefully with a much stronger Coach in the club, young players may get held back until they are actually ready to be in the higher grade
I can't see Cleary ever bringing young players into first grade and then letting them get away with the kind of performances that they both were putting in.
It's up to Brooks now to get his career back on track.
Clearys no idiot, and can't do a worse job than JT did with coaching Luke, and I'm looking forward to seeing some improvement in his game.
I think the fact that he was prepared to take a lesser amount of money and length of time shows that he knows himself that he has to do more to remain in first grade, and there is no more free rides.
With help and coaching , We could be seeing more of what we saw when he's played without Moses in the team. Those games were a hell of a lot better than his others
He's got talent. Now we might just see it again

For once GCT I'm going to congratulate you on a very good post,I totally agree with your points and just to add I'm on the same page in regards to Brooks,I have on many occasions give it to him for his poor performances..I think if Moses is now gone Luke will be able to play his natural game without Moses trying to dominate every game with poor control and inability to convert scoring opportunities to points..

I do take your point GCT, we gambled on these players, and it's always a gamble. Plenty of wasted contracts in the NRL.

EXCEPT

If we also accept what you said, "I know we didn't have a first grade standard player to replace him."

Broses were signed to Tigers for 4 seasons in 2013, starting 2014\. Jason Taylor was signed to WT in Sep/14, at which time Mitchell Moses was already a year into his contract and 10 games into first grade. I can't support accusing JT of having his "head in the sand" if he was presented with a roster like this, lots of money locked into a young spine for 4 years before he arrives, and nothing much in the way of a backup. The club maybe, but not JT himself.

The problem for Tigers is we don't seem able to compete financially with other clubs overall, we don't have the flashy drawcards that some have, and we therefore have to invest quite heavily in our up-and-coming players. If this investment pays off, we have a good run, like 2010-11 and 2005\. If it does not, we are in trouble. Tigers ironically have the most Origin/Australia active rep players we've ever had (and we had 3 last year), yet the team is doing as badly as ever.

Maybe that fact alone is what is causing all our grief, that young players as a whole are struggling to transition to full-time rugby league and you are always taking an extreme gamble. Maybe you are better served waiting to cherry-pick emerging talent that have runs on the board. This is a gamble too, you risk being late to the party.

Penrith are a good example for mine. They also have a fairly poor finals record and a long history of strong juniors. But they've promoted and released a lot of underperforming halves, fullbacks and hookers in their time, and right now they are settled on two 20 year olds. But God save the Panthers if TMM and Nath Cleary fall away over the next 1-2 seasons and they are stuck again with young, under-performing halves.

 

[Newtown]

If Moses is worth 1 million a season what is a proper player like Thurston, Smith, Cronk worth?

Moses has a couple of good games but he can't tackle and for 1 million dollar I want my player to at least be able to tackle and add value to the team.

I would not be unhappy if he was let go. Go luck Parra

He's not even a reliable kicker.

 

[jirskyr]

What a peanut that guy is, he talks like he is just making stuff up as it comes to his head. It's one of those things when you read someone's writing and get one impression of them, then you hear them speak out loud, without the benefit of time and revision and an editor, and you think "wow this person is actually an idiot".
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You should watch the circus that's 360.
You described rothfield and Kent to a T above… Make it up as they go along

I will die of shock the day one of them says "I don't know actually" or "I don't have an informed opinion on that". They pretend to be experts on absolutely everything., they HAVE TO BE an authority on everything.

I don't watch NRL 360, I don't want to hear goss from "pundits", I just want game analysis. Fox Sports used to be a lot about on-field, the old NRL on Fox was good. I don't mind Sterlo's work, but with the introduction of Matty Johns and his sort of "lifestyle" / "hanging with my mates talking shet" approach, I turned off most of Fox's non-match stuff. Who wants to hear 4 smug wiseguys talk about their opinion on football? I do that enough with my own mates, and if I want more, I come on here and start a conversation w happy.

Matty Johns, the stuff he did off-field as a player, and he's just so smug on the camera, not for me. Then there's Gordie who's prepared to throw footballers under the bus for a bit of bit, like Farah and this week, don't know if it was a joke, but he was reported as condemning Josh Dugan for getting injured too often, just like Tonie Carroll used to. If I was Tunza and that was not a joke, I'd be over there to knee Gordie into unconsciousness (like Tony De Las Heras if you missed the reference). Then there's Hindmarsh who was a legit footballer, he's not so bad, and his idiot mate Fletch who is clearly just lucky enough to be pals with John and Hindy.

Your first paragraph is hilariously on point. Hooper in particular has made a career out of presenting gossip and guesses as fact. When he does have actual info, it's all one-sided (i.e. he's clearly had briefing from the Moses camp on this) and sensationalised to negatively portray someone or something. He's a joke, though tailor-made for the 24 hr news cycle, where it's more about creating splashes in social media circles, and clicks on websites.

re: Johns - he deadset considers himself a renaissance man, when in actuality he's more tomato sauce. Every now and then he decides on a somewhat contrary POV, and literally harps on about it for weeks. His current topic du jour is Pearce and Keary being the NSW halves, as they're 'going real good'. No proper discussion of Maloney, Reynolds or whoever else, just repetition of the same.

Anyway, back to Moses - not sure I've seen this forum so united in an opinion on anything.

You know what I do like, I like that all-woman panel show League Life that Fox have going this year. All the male panelists and pundits now have such big egos, it's refreshing to see that take a back seat to some less sensational, more grounded lines of questioning.

I'm not convinced of Lara Pitt, but the other 3 ladies seem to have a pretty solid intuition when it comes to interviews and how to present questions as an opportunity to speak, not a trap to catch people out.

I don't think it's any fluke that people reacted so well to the Jason Taylor interview they hosted, and perhaps why he chose his first TV appearance for that show.

I'll tell you something compelling - watch the ladies on League Life ask a question then shut their mouths, watch them listen and nod and engage the speaker. Then watch NRL 360 and watch those morons just champing at the bit to speak, not really listening but instead thinking about what they want to say next, just waiting for the gap to stuff with their over-inflated opinion.

I have a lot of time for Yvonne Sampson and that Hannah Hollis has a lot of media talent, I can see her profile skyrocketing.

 

[ricksen]

Agree re: League Life - easily the best show on that network, for the reasons you mention.
The aggregate of the other shows isn't too bad, purely because of the access they have to the players/coaches etc., but there's little point in watching, as the pertinent parts are always regurgitated on their website over the next day or two anyway.

On another note - Bill and Boz is the worst thing I've ever seen. The exact opposite in that it's an hour of four blokes (usually two guests plus Bill Woods and Mark Bosnich) talking absolute crap over the top of each other, usually on matters on which they don't really have a good grasp. Sports TV hell.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'll not hear a bad word about Bozza.

 

[balmain boy]

A lot can happen though, but at this stage eels not willing to trade a current contracted player for MM

The only way the Eels could get him is to give us one of their decent players. Mitch would have about 350k on his current salary so they'd have to cover that for this year. The won't have that much free so they'd need to release someone to us. I'd take Gutherson, Mau, or someone like that

 

[Milky]

A lot can happen though, but at this stage eels not willing to trade a current contracted player for MM

The only way the Eels could get him is to give us one of their decent players. Mitch would have about 350k on his current salary so they'd have to cover that for this year. The won't have that much free so they'd need to release someone to us. I'd take Gutherson, Mau, or someone like that

Defo take Gutherson. Play him at centre/wing. If Ted leaves, fullback is his to lose.

 

[cqtiger]

I'm hearing that we have released Moses today

 

[ricksen]

I'm hearing that we have released Moses today

Nope, but it seems like it's coming.

https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/849874419837050880

 

[HabboTiger]

According to instagram he was in a pool in townsville with the rest of the team. He was also smiling.